(New York eLiquid Ban) Fight for Your Right to #Vape - Weekend Action Plan for Saturday, 04.05.14
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Comments are up. Apparently asking them to justify the legislation and not being from NY is grounds for not approving what I wrote. However, I do not see a single one of the 33 comments that DID make it through saying it is a good thing.
I voted up most of them
Perhaps this will be a case of everyone calling BS for what it is and they will drop the idea?
Yeah, riiiiight.
Comments are up. Apparently asking them to justify the legislation and not being from NY is grounds for not approving what I wrote. However, I do not see a single one of the 33 comments that DID make it through saying it is a good thing.
I voted up most of them Perhaps this will be a case of everyone calling BS for what it is and they will drop the idea?
Yeah, riiiiight.
I would just like to point out that there are still only 33 comments published on this... All against it.
I'm starting to suspect that either people have not commented, or they are rejecting any more negatives in the hope that someone will say it's a good thing.
I'm starting to suspect that either people have not commented, or they are rejecting any more negatives in the hope that someone will say it's a good thing.
Message sent to Thomas F. O'Mara my local representative as follows. Is there anyone else I can get in touch with?
I would like to take the time to give you my views on Bill S6939-2013 the proposed ban on eliquid sales in NY state.
I was a smoker for over 30 years. I became addicted to nicotine when I was 11 years old. I tried everything to quit and nothing worked until I came across ecigarettes. I was having breathing problems coughing up blood and barely able to walk without getting out of breath. My teeth were brown and I stunk. Worst of all I knew it was because of smoking and could not stop. I tried the pills which caused me to become depressed and almost kill myself. I tried the patches and the gum and the lozenges. Nothing worked. Then I came across ecigarettes and all of these problems went away.
It has been a miracle. I was able to easily put down traditional cigarettes with their thousands of cancer causing chemicals and not look back.
I understand that there are a lot of problems associated eliquid because of irresponsible people not handling it properly but I do not think that I should be doomed to returning to smoking because of a few irresponsible people. I don't even have any children living with me. Why should I pay for the irresponsibility of others?
Additionally I would like to point out that the people proposing the bill do not sight any reference or confirmed evidence in their proposed legislation. Can you tell me how many of the calls to poison control were just calls from people looking for advice on proper handling or disposal of eliquid? How many of the alleged poisoning cases were actually confirmed as poisoning from nicotine in ejuice? Most ejuice is sold in smaller containers (I have never seen anyone selling a container bigger than 50ml) and is at a dosage of 24 mg/ml or less. a dose of nicotine that is fatal from nicotine poisoning is around 2600 mg. That is more than twice the amount of nicotine contained in a 50ml bottle of 24mg/ml ejuice. If that juice is highly diluted it would indeed not be likely to cause nicotine poisoning even though it has been stated by some that it could. It could cause other medical problems at lesser doses for people with existing conditions but indeed so could energy drinks of caffeine pills and they are not being banned.
I think this is a reactionary piece of legislation. Yes someone did use ejuice to kill themselves by injecting it. People have also used bleach, ammonia, gasoline and prescription drugs to do that as well. People have also called poison control centers in response to intentional and unintentional contact with these substances as well. Where is the legislation to ban them? Yes someone did have problems that allegedly were associated with ejuice contact caused by a shoddily manufactured ecigarette. Why not just propose legislation to require better manufacturing practices or device safeguards. The reason why is because this is truly boils down to financial concerns thinly veiled behind a call for safety. The fact is the bill is designed to enforce the monopoly held by large pharmaceutical companies on smoke cessation products effectively protecting their profit margins and protect the huge financial stakes held by both the NYS government and it’s politicians in the form of taxes and campaign contributions by lobbyists.
This is political showboating at the expense of the rights and freedoms of the registered voters of New York state and just plain not right. If you effectively outlaw ejuice you are dooming millions of now smoke free people to returning to smoking and the slow painful deaths associated with it.
Please don't let this happen
Sincerely,
Douglas XXXXXX
registered NY voter
ecigarette user
I would like to take the time to give you my views on Bill S6939-2013 the proposed ban on eliquid sales in NY state.
I was a smoker for over 30 years. I became addicted to nicotine when I was 11 years old. I tried everything to quit and nothing worked until I came across ecigarettes. I was having breathing problems coughing up blood and barely able to walk without getting out of breath. My teeth were brown and I stunk. Worst of all I knew it was because of smoking and could not stop. I tried the pills which caused me to become depressed and almost kill myself. I tried the patches and the gum and the lozenges. Nothing worked. Then I came across ecigarettes and all of these problems went away.
It has been a miracle. I was able to easily put down traditional cigarettes with their thousands of cancer causing chemicals and not look back.
I understand that there are a lot of problems associated eliquid because of irresponsible people not handling it properly but I do not think that I should be doomed to returning to smoking because of a few irresponsible people. I don't even have any children living with me. Why should I pay for the irresponsibility of others?
Additionally I would like to point out that the people proposing the bill do not sight any reference or confirmed evidence in their proposed legislation. Can you tell me how many of the calls to poison control were just calls from people looking for advice on proper handling or disposal of eliquid? How many of the alleged poisoning cases were actually confirmed as poisoning from nicotine in ejuice? Most ejuice is sold in smaller containers (I have never seen anyone selling a container bigger than 50ml) and is at a dosage of 24 mg/ml or less. a dose of nicotine that is fatal from nicotine poisoning is around 2600 mg. That is more than twice the amount of nicotine contained in a 50ml bottle of 24mg/ml ejuice. If that juice is highly diluted it would indeed not be likely to cause nicotine poisoning even though it has been stated by some that it could. It could cause other medical problems at lesser doses for people with existing conditions but indeed so could energy drinks of caffeine pills and they are not being banned.
I think this is a reactionary piece of legislation. Yes someone did use ejuice to kill themselves by injecting it. People have also used bleach, ammonia, gasoline and prescription drugs to do that as well. People have also called poison control centers in response to intentional and unintentional contact with these substances as well. Where is the legislation to ban them? Yes someone did have problems that allegedly were associated with ejuice contact caused by a shoddily manufactured ecigarette. Why not just propose legislation to require better manufacturing practices or device safeguards. The reason why is because this is truly boils down to financial concerns thinly veiled behind a call for safety. The fact is the bill is designed to enforce the monopoly held by large pharmaceutical companies on smoke cessation products effectively protecting their profit margins and protect the huge financial stakes held by both the NYS government and it’s politicians in the form of taxes and campaign contributions by lobbyists.
This is political showboating at the expense of the rights and freedoms of the registered voters of New York state and just plain not right. If you effectively outlaw ejuice you are dooming millions of now smoke free people to returning to smoking and the slow painful deaths associated with it.
Please don't let this happen
Sincerely,
Douglas XXXXXX
registered NY voter
ecigarette user
That is so perfectly put, extremely well written. Nice work man keep it up and best of luck. I just signed that petition so I'm doing all I can from MN!
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Questions. 1.Is any thing being done to have ALL the things in cigs listed on each carton/package, I'm sure there have been some cases of kids/pets eating the cigs. and if I was to put a cig out in a soda can and then someone was to finish the drink?? we could play what if all night on what should be banned /deleted from usage but what good would any of that do?
Jeez New York, I kind of understood the 42oz drink limit but come one, E-cigarettes are A SAFER ALTERNATIVE TO HARMFUL TOBACCO ANALOGUES, I think if the big wigs are adamant to pass a "safer air act", simply ban e-cigarret usage in indoor areas, I haven't been to New York in a while but last I remember the POLLUTION was worse than cigarette smoke, so god knows outdoor vaping won't hurt anyone. Maybe there's been an army of vapers fogging up restaurants and movie theaters because it's legal, THAT I could understand, or maybe people with that crappy New York "personality" are blowing vapor in baby's faces on the subway, I really understand that but making vaping illegal? Wowzers...
-I donated $10 to each, and I couldn't live further away I'm in Alaska lol, but it may not stop with New York. Were halfway to $40,000 people! Donate your 1/4,000th like I did and we should be there in no time! I could care less if smokers can't smoke indoors, but banning vaping all-together just doesn't make sense. I left a comment stating:
"Reguarding Bill s6939: Prohibiting the sale of e-liquids within the State of New York.
Patrick Barlow (American Citizen)
Getting rid of a safer alternative to smoking is counter-intuitive to the overall health of New York, people that enjoy nicotine 'will' enjoy it one way or another, and if you essentially ban E-Cigarette use, you only leave the option to either; smoke tobacco cigarretes as empirical studies have proven over and over to cause an array of pulmonary illnesses, cancer, and widespread fatalities. Chewing tobacco which causes almost as numerous health issues as tobacco cigarettes including but not limited to: mouth and throat cancer, dental problems such as gum disease, leukoplakia, and tooth decay. Or the improper use of tobacco cessation aids, without the intent to cease nicotine imput, which can lead to accidental overdose or worsening addiction to nicotine. I encourage those attempting to pass this bill to weigh the positives and negatives of what's taking place, at minimum have medical professionals evaluate the situation, and empirically test whether this bill will actually benefit the health of New York citizens, or force these Americans to choose a harmful alternative delivery route of the legal substance nicotine."
-All this is going to do is force vapers to buy their juice in head shops instead, and it'll be mis-labeled like "bath salts" were (not promoting bath salts at all lol), probably somthing silly like "tobacco pipe cleaning flush" or "hookah drops"
, New York has such a terrible attitude they even make the world mad.
-I donated $10 to each, and I couldn't live further away I'm in Alaska lol, but it may not stop with New York. Were halfway to $40,000 people! Donate your 1/4,000th like I did and we should be there in no time! I could care less if smokers can't smoke indoors, but banning vaping all-together just doesn't make sense. I left a comment stating:
"Reguarding Bill s6939: Prohibiting the sale of e-liquids within the State of New York.
Patrick Barlow (American Citizen)
Getting rid of a safer alternative to smoking is counter-intuitive to the overall health of New York, people that enjoy nicotine 'will' enjoy it one way or another, and if you essentially ban E-Cigarette use, you only leave the option to either; smoke tobacco cigarretes as empirical studies have proven over and over to cause an array of pulmonary illnesses, cancer, and widespread fatalities. Chewing tobacco which causes almost as numerous health issues as tobacco cigarettes including but not limited to: mouth and throat cancer, dental problems such as gum disease, leukoplakia, and tooth decay. Or the improper use of tobacco cessation aids, without the intent to cease nicotine imput, which can lead to accidental overdose or worsening addiction to nicotine. I encourage those attempting to pass this bill to weigh the positives and negatives of what's taking place, at minimum have medical professionals evaluate the situation, and empirically test whether this bill will actually benefit the health of New York citizens, or force these Americans to choose a harmful alternative delivery route of the legal substance nicotine."
-All this is going to do is force vapers to buy their juice in head shops instead, and it'll be mis-labeled like "bath salts" were (not promoting bath salts at all lol), probably somthing silly like "tobacco pipe cleaning flush" or "hookah drops"
, New York has such a terrible attitude they even make the world mad.
I think they have a lobby screening for "innapropriate language" because my message hasn't been posted yet (I didn't use any negative language/attitude), something tells me they are deleting posts like crazy.
I smoked Senecas for a long time. Loved it when the Seneca girls would come and give out freebies.
Me too! I used to order them online until that was banned, and then I made the 1 hour drive out east (L.I) once a month to get them ... They were $26 per carton the last time I purchased them in 2007.
http://mnvapers.com
So went into my local vape shop Emerald Vapor and dude was telling me how MN is trying to ban use of ecigs in public places or even outside anywhere. So basically he said the only spot we'd be able to vape is in our own home!!!! I can't believe this.....why don't they look into cracking down on painkillers, ...... use which is way up in out area. I could go on and on about all the other horrible things that are "legal" but are for more harmful than vaping! Mind explosion.......
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So went into my local vape shop Emerald Vapor and dude was telling me how MN is trying to ban use of ecigs in public places or even outside anywhere. So basically he said the only spot we'd be able to vape is in our own home!!!! I can't believe this.....why don't they look into cracking down on painkillers, ...... use which is way up in out area. I could go on and on about all the other horrible things that are "legal" but are for more harmful than vaping! Mind explosion.......
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Here's the final letter I sent out to just about everyone, in Albany:
April 8, 2014
Dear,
My name is... and I live in Onondaga County.
I'm writing today to let you know, I oppose any bills that would ban sales to adults or apply sin taxes on e-liquid, here in New York State.
I also oppose any bill that would place restrictions on where I vape. I'm no longer a smoker and do not wish to be treated as one.
There's no tobacco or ignition in my e-cigarette, therefore no smoke. Since it’s not a tobacco product, how can the state tax it as such?
A former smoker of 30 years, I tried all traditional methods to quit. None were effective. Through my brother, I found vaping and it saved my life! I'm no longer inhaling tar or countless toxic chemicals into my body with vaping. I feel better and have increased stamina.
Why isn't the state focused on banning cigarettes? They're the proven killers here, not e-liquid. My father, a heavy smoker passed away from lung cancer. I know all too well, the effects of smoking.
The state provides nicotine patches and gum as quitting aids. How is vaping e-liquid any different?
I'm appalled that New York State is suggesting that vaping e-liquid is more harmful than smoking!
My e-liquid contains 4 ingredients: Propylene Glycol, vegetable glycerin, 6mg nicotine and natural flavorings.
I must also note that not all e-liquid contains nicotine.
It has been claimed that small children are attracted to e-liquid because of the flavors, names and colors. None of my e-liquid is artificially colored and all have child-proof lids.
What about window cleaner? They come in pretty colors too. Will the state ban or apply extra taxes on them as well?
Responsible parents, keep e-liquid out of the hands of their children.
If you take away the right to vape or apply additional taxes on e-liquid here in New York State, the consequences will be dire. Shops will be forced to close and people will loose their jobs.
The information outlined in the current proposed bills is outdated, incorrect and frankly, disturbing.
Please, take the time to get the latest information available, about e-liquid and vaping.
Sincerely,
April 8, 2014
Dear,
My name is... and I live in Onondaga County.
I'm writing today to let you know, I oppose any bills that would ban sales to adults or apply sin taxes on e-liquid, here in New York State.
I also oppose any bill that would place restrictions on where I vape. I'm no longer a smoker and do not wish to be treated as one.
There's no tobacco or ignition in my e-cigarette, therefore no smoke. Since it’s not a tobacco product, how can the state tax it as such?
A former smoker of 30 years, I tried all traditional methods to quit. None were effective. Through my brother, I found vaping and it saved my life! I'm no longer inhaling tar or countless toxic chemicals into my body with vaping. I feel better and have increased stamina.
Why isn't the state focused on banning cigarettes? They're the proven killers here, not e-liquid. My father, a heavy smoker passed away from lung cancer. I know all too well, the effects of smoking.
The state provides nicotine patches and gum as quitting aids. How is vaping e-liquid any different?
I'm appalled that New York State is suggesting that vaping e-liquid is more harmful than smoking!
My e-liquid contains 4 ingredients: Propylene Glycol, vegetable glycerin, 6mg nicotine and natural flavorings.
I must also note that not all e-liquid contains nicotine.
It has been claimed that small children are attracted to e-liquid because of the flavors, names and colors. None of my e-liquid is artificially colored and all have child-proof lids.
What about window cleaner? They come in pretty colors too. Will the state ban or apply extra taxes on them as well?
Responsible parents, keep e-liquid out of the hands of their children.
If you take away the right to vape or apply additional taxes on e-liquid here in New York State, the consequences will be dire. Shops will be forced to close and people will loose their jobs.
The information outlined in the current proposed bills is outdated, incorrect and frankly, disturbing.
Please, take the time to get the latest information available, about e-liquid and vaping.
Sincerely,
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