Newb making Jugheads order. Please add your wisdom.

[frayedwire]

Hi folks,


Newb here. I'm in New Westminster, just outside of Vancouver. I'm considering putting in an order to Jugheads because the reviews/prices seem top notch. Plus I don't want to mess around with the USA ordering. I'm still an "analog" smoker at about half a pack a day. I've read tonnes and understand it's not the same as smoking. Am considering ordering my first rig along with some juices.

Now I need a bit of advice for the Jughead stuff. I'm concerned with the VG XTREME juice being 100% VG and not being experienced at all am not sure what I can vape it with. I'm considering picking up his esco-e2 kit because it's just so affordable and picking up a Twist later if I feel that I need a better battery (can use the e2 charger for the twist, correct?) OR I'm going to order a twist or two + charger and some stardust 2.0s from canvape and separately order my juice from jug. Keep in mind that with the e2 you get 30ml juice free and all the accessories so this would probably be almost 50$ cheaper to start out. Adding a single large twist later from canvape would cost 46$ with shipping.

Now will these VG XTREMES vape well with the e2 or the stardusts? Am I missing any vital information? I'm thinking of ordering 15 strength juice for whatever random reason. Probably pick up 30ml JS2 and then some 10ml selections that suit my fancy.

Mostly I'm looking for something satisfying to do while my girlfriend smokes her analogs. Hell, maybe she'll like it when I make her try it. Still, I'm finding it hard to cut back with her smoking about 12-15 times a day. Sick of the smoke, not sick of the habit. Hence vape.

This is wordy. Thank you for reading. Feel free to ask questions or provide insight.


-Frayedwire.

 

[chagrin]

I've been looking at the Esco-E2 myself and I was pretty tempted to pick one up, partly because of the strange look. I don't have any experience and I haven't been able to find thorough videos online. However from everything I've read/seen online it does appear that the battery is a standard ego connector and should work with ego chargers, but you might want to double check with Jugheads. With 1100 mah, that battery should last you more than a day I would guess, plus you get a spare. The only downsides I could see is that it's not variable voltage obviously and the battery and tank do look quite big, I would guess twice the diameter of say an ego and a stardust. The E2 batteries are also unregulated at 4.2V .. meaning, the voltage is a bit higher than a standard ego (3.4v regulated), but the output will decline slightly as a battery drains, instead of being consistent. Be prepared for a HUGE size different compared to a cigarette and with all tank style clearomizers, you do need to tip them occasionally and keep them half full or so to keep the liquid getting to the coil.

If you don't mind an insanely long wait ~2-3 weeks to BC; http://www.healthcabin.net/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=1106_1112&products_id=8044 will cost you about $28 shipped for a 1000 mah twist.

As for the stardust, Jugheads has them, but I believe they're version 3, which is the last revision of the old style. They are very similar to the new 2.0 in my opinion, except that they don't have replaceable parts. From everything I've read the stardusts, vivi nova's and E2 tanks are all very similar, they're basically a tank, with a wick going through the coil and performance should be pretty similar. I've used both stardusts and a vivi nova and I'm not noticing much performance difference personally.

As for VG juice, you sound as though you know the difference between PG and VG, so I'll skip to the wicking part. Normally VGs are thicker and they do have some problems wicking, more so with cartomizers, where the liquid needs to wick through the filler material. From everything I've read, Jughead's juices have no problems with any devices, but he does offer distilled water to "thin" the juice, if necessary.

I would suggest buying a bottle or two of stronger tobacco flavours as well, to try different strengths and see what works.

Here are the videos I've found on the E2, which aren't great unfortunately;

Here is a video about the tank:
Apollo aka Rocket aka ESCO E2 Tank (LordDavon) - YouTube

Here is a very basic video about the whole system, which shows the size fairly well - he mentions 900 mah, so I'd guess the one Jughead's sells is even bigger battery wise;
A product apart from the average e cigarette the new Space Needle - YouTube

Sorry for the ridiculously wordy response and if that was a lot of information you already knew.

 

[frayedwire]

Definitely a good response. I'd rather read extra than too little. I'm glad to hear that his juice seems to be compatible with most of the paraphernalia I'm considering. It's going to be a tough call as to whether to spend the big bucks on a pair of twists (probably get a 650 and a 900) + batteries + stardusts etc or just go the affordable route with the e2 kit he has.

I suppose with the e2 kit I'd end up with more batteries in the long run and if I decide to get a twist I'd only need one. The e2 batteries run at 4.2 volts it says which seems to be in the range that most people run the twist at so it would be a reasonable enough back up battery.

One other concern I have with these tank set ups is that since they need to be topped off, ordering 10ml bottles to sample flavours might mean that I'm wasting a few ml when the tank gets low and I'm out of juice to refill with.

 

[chagrin]

I edited my original post with even more information, insomnia makes me type apparently.

I'm pretty sure people here have both and hopefully one of them replies. From experience and preference I'd recommend the twist, but the E2 looks decent.

You can always mix flavours. Compared to 1.6, 2.0 or 2.4 ml the E2 is a BIG tank and is kind of a commitment. You could always get a smaller cartomizer, clearomizer or bridgeless atomizer and driptip to test flavours.

 

[frayedwire]

Yeah was just thinking that I should get a recommend on a single compatible little clearo or something that I could do the taste testing in. Is anything on the jugs site reasonable for that job?

EDIT: also that might be a good call on the longer wait twist for cheaper since I'd already have a set up going and could wait. That said I wouldn't mind supporting local so there's lots to consider. If there was a twist kit with a pair of them and some stardusts + charger etc on canvape for say 55 bucks I'd probably already have ordered that.

Being that I'm just starting I'm slightly daunted by the start up cost even though I know that if I take to it it'll end up easily cheaper than our 8 dollar a pack canadian analog prices.

 

[chagrin]

I feel like I'm writing too much, but no one else is awake. Hopefully someone can directly compare the E2 to the stardust/twist combination later today. Kits do exist, but not for that cheap; CEV eGo Twist /Vision Starter Kit 650

I don't really like ordering from China, but with Canada Post's prices it does have it's appeal. I was checking vaporgeek and cev to see if there was a good combination, they're both in BC and both sell liquid, but I didn't see anything at that low price point.

I haven't used most of Jughead's devices. I would suggest an atomizer and driptip to test flavours, I hate doing it personally, it's messy and slow, but it is the easiest way to test flavours.

Even if you still smoke some while vaping, it will be cheaper in the long run.

Edit: I PM-ed someone I think owns both combinations. Later today hopefully they'll respond or others that have tried the E2 stuff.

 

[frayedwire]

That one just doesn't seem like a reasonable deal. Unless I'm mistaken all of those parts could be had separately from canvape for a fair bit cheaper than that kjt price.

twist x 2 = 46$
stardust long wick x 4 = 22$
charger + usb = 10$
case = 6$
Juice = 5$ value

total = 89$ without even a kit discount you would save 20$

The kit I'd like to see would be
2 x twist (650 and 900)
2 x stardust 2.0 SR long wick
2 x stardust SR long wick coil replacement
charger + wall plug

Separate that rings up on canvape for $79.40 and would be a lovely kit for 60-70$ Then again it seems like his prices are already kind of the best so maybe I'm being cheap and greedy.

 

[SoUnique]

For ease of use I would go with the twist batteries and the Stardusts to start off with.

Since you're already considering canvape, why not send an email & ask if he could put a kit together for you with that stuff, he may just do it. Even if he wont, he has some of the best prices on hardware in Canada so your getting a deal.

Even though dripping is a pain in the ...., I'd get a drip tip & attie for trying juice, I think it's the easiest way to do it.

When you order juice in the beginning, get sample sizes & lots of them, it can be surprising what you end up liking & not liking. Also make sure to get a high enough nic level.

It is kind of expensive to set up for vaping because of the shipping costs, but worth it in the long run.

Good luck and have fun with it.

 

[bidslayer]

Hey there ... thought I'd throw my 2 cents into this.

Batteries:
Esco 2 - This is an ego type battery without variable voltage. It gives a good bit of power, but you can't ratchet it up or down to find your happy place. Most people start off with an Ego type battery and this is one is an excellent one to start with if you can handle the look of it. When I started vaping I wouldn't have gone near it because of it size/shape was so different from a cigarette. Now that I've been vaping for a bit (not really all that long) I'm not so concerned about how much it looks/acts like a cigarette - it is all about the flavour and the ease of use. The Esco battery gets top marks from me on its form factor - it is comfortable to hold in your hand, and is relatively easy to "palm" so that it isn't so obvious what your doing , then there is the the geek factor - love the shape, love the lights, love the colours. If this had variable voltage I would have one in every colour, for every day of the week. I really like this one as a standard battery and I use it more often than I use my original Riva battery.

Ego Twist - I've got the 1000 mah, so it is a long tube (I've got small hands) but the battery life is worth it. An excellent investment and starter battery. If you're not clear on the variable voltage, you can leave the battery at 3.7 and get an "ego" vape. But playing with the voltage settings is an eye opening experience. I would really recommend this one as your starter - it will give you a simple piece of equipment that you can get a wider experience with different levels of atomizers, cartomizers, tanks, etc. You may want to get two twists as there is nothing worse than waiting for a recharge. The charger is the same as for the Esco.




Summary:
Esco battery wins for form factor - comfortable to hold, cool to look at
Twist wins for being an inexpensive variable voltage
For a first dip in the vaping pool - Twist wins by a nose

 

[bidslayer]

Part Two:

Tanks
Esco2 - This is a big tank. 6ml is a lot of juice and I consider this one a commitment - so much that it took me a week to decide which juice to try in it. I've only just started using it - flipping it from the Esco battery to the twist to a EVO to put it through its paces. I ended up modding it because I was getting dry hits and that helped. It produces clouds of vapour and the taste is good. You have to fill it with a needle tip bottle - which is easy enough. The Juggy kit comes with a needle tip bottle and I just took the needle top off the provided empty bottle and used it on a regular bottle (the tips pop off). To clean it is simple - it all comes apart and you can rinse everything and let it dry. Lots of little bits, but easy enough to put it all back together.

Stardust - I am ambivalent about these ones. You can get the later versions (3) which you can take apart to clean and replace the wicks/heads. These are relatively inexpensive, a reasonable size (don't look odd on the battery, holds a decent amount of juice without draining your sample bottle on the first fill).

Vivi Nova 2.5 - I like these. Alot. Better than the stardust. I think I get the best flavour from them and they are dead easy to clean. The first few hits on a new vivi are kind of horrid - not sure if there is something on the wicks that has to burn off. I was dry burning them first to avoid it ... but I think i was scorching the wicks which eventually made everything taste burnt. The last wick I suffereed through the horrid taste for a short bit then hit gold. You can get different head with different resistances ... so you can play around with them). I really recommend these ones.


When you fill a clearomizer/tank - let it sit for a bit. Don't start vaping on it immediately. Let the wicks absorb the juice for a bit.

Summary:
Esco2 seems to be a good tank, haven't had enough time to play with it. It is large - so hold off filling this one till you find a juice you love. Once you settle into vaping, you will probably start to want to have something that will last you all day without having to top up. This will meet that need.

Vivi Nova 2.5 - Easy to clean, good flavour, versatile. Like this one the best so far.

Stardust - good size, easy to use, not as finicky as some. I think this would be a good starter unit that will give you something reliable, easy to use and readily available.

 

[MisterMike]

Lots of good advice here.

I, too, would recommend grabbing the Twists plus some SR Stardusts. You may want more than two, if you're anything like me and like to switch up flavours a lot.

Jughead makes great juices, and they are indeed carto/clearo/whatever friendly. If you can bear to pay shipping twice, it's worth it to pick up a bunch of samples. 15 sounds like a good starting point for a half-pack per day, but you may want some higher nic as a contingency plan. I'd try that for a while, and see how your body reacts, and adjust as necessary afterwards.

Also, don't get discouraged if you do end up still smoking after you start vaping. Not everyone makes a complete switch right away.

Anyway, however it goes down for you, we're all here to help out. Have a great time discovering what works for you, and welcome to the family.

 

[LesVegas]

Wish I had time for a long helpful reply.

I'm in Abbotsford. Vaporgeek.com has twists at a great price, which includes tax. Shipping is $7 to BC and very fast (located in Surrey) so a 1000 mah twist costs $37 shipped or $33 for the shorter 650 mah version. Its definitely the best choice of battery. She has everything else you may need too and you can get a 5% discount with code (see site).

Jugheads is the best for juice. 15mg may be too low. Order some at that level if you like, but most people just starting feel more comfortable at 18mg. His VG juices are fine but I highly recommend getting the Original Jokesmoke in a 70/30 blend with your order. Its a nice mild all day vape type of juice.

Don't be afraid to email the vendors with any questions before ordering, they are all very helpful. Good luck.

 

[Oriana871]

I second what has already been posted in this thread:

Yes for the Twist. Can't go wrong for the price, great battery.

Get samples of juice before making a commitment to larger bottles.

Don't judge a juice until it's steeped for a couple of weeks or even better, a month.

Pick up an atomizer and drip tip for taste testing.

Choose a clearomizer but also try on a pack of Boge cartos.

Standard Resistance for the Twist.

Simple set up with basic options, so you can get a feel for what you like.

 

[hot899]

Ive had the best of luck with my 650 twist with a stardust for regular vaping and a 510 bridgeless atty for flavor testing.If you get the chance order some Juggies Strawberry cheese cake ,its the freshes strawberry taste ive ever had.YUM!Cheers!

 

[frayedwire]

You guys are great. I find the whole vaping world a bit of a bottomless rabbit hole though. Every time you figure something out, there are five more things to figure out right afterwards. Perhaps I'll email a couple choice vendors and see if they want to package me up a great deal. I just talked to one of my coworkers and he's in for exactly the same as I am. It's looking like we're going to get 2 twists each and some stardusts + accessories.

Surrey is not far from me at all. Perhaps I'll check out the Surrey based that was mentioned and see if they'll allow a local pick-up/package deal or something. I'm a REALTOR® so I'm kind of always looking for a deal or negotiating.

 

[Cm7b5]

I bought Jugs esco e2 kit in chrome because I wanted to try 100% VG vaping at a low cost. The free 30ml bottle helped with my choice.

The tanks need to be filled until you see juice in the window. If the level gets too low you may get dry hits. I fill without a syringe. I change flavours often and pour the juice back into the bottle, rinse the tank out and I'm good to go.

Great amounts of vapor but I do notice the power dropping off.

I bought a white Delrin tip so I can differentiate, one with black tip, one with white.

Caramel apple and JS2 vape great. Caramel cafe not so great. Too thick.

No tank leaks so far. I stick them in my pants pocket for on the go.

I'd buy a sampler of JS before committing. It's a little bland after vaping flavored juice. It's good for cleaning your palate after other juices lose their flavor. A little JS and the caramel taste comes back.

You might consider sticking with analogs. Chain vaping is very pleasurable and my new nightly routine is to chain vape while reading ECF. I was way more productive when I was smoking. ;-)

 

[frayedwire]

You might consider sticking with analogs. Chain vaping is very pleasurable and my new nightly routine is to chain vape while reading ECF. I was way more productive when I was smoking. ;-)

Haha! Sounds fun. I was thinking of ordering the JS2 as either something easy to puff or as something mild to attenuate other juices that taste strong etc. Is this reasonable? Does it mellow out other flavours and mix well with them?

 

[frayedwire]

Well I emailed two choice vendors and asked to see what they can do for me in regards to a package deal. Hopefully I have my best deal figured out soon and will have my order in ASAP. Looks like I'll be going with the twists/stardusts and possibly atty/drip for sampling to start off for myself and my friend from work. After I showed him videos and gave a quick explanation on both options he wanted to do the twist thing so he made my decision for me. We'll also be able to share juice. How cute.

 

[Cm7b5]

One nice feature of the chrome esco is to have pretty women ask you "hey what's that?" tell them it's a memory eraser like the movie Men in Black. Hold it upside down so they can see the LEDs an say ”look at the colored lights". Then ask them "what's my name?" When they reply I don't know say "see it works"!

 

[chagrin]

Woo .. glad more people gave input, instead of my rambly posts.

If you're looking at jugheads, canvape and vaporgeek - they might not be able to go much cheaper, since they're already priced pretty low. Another thing to consider and confuse you with is that you will get charged the HST (like in Ontario) from canvape. If vaporgeek has no tax like someone mentioned - plus 5% off, it might be a better deal. Also if you order with your friend - vaporgeek has free shipping to BC over $75 and canvape has freeshipping over $100.

I just got JS2 and it's pretty bland and should mix with almost anything well or be good by itself.