newbie confusion with RDA RBA wattage

[Jdbaker82]

OK so right now I just use Clearomizer tanks (Aerotank mega, Nautilus) with 1.8-2.4ohm coils and as I understand it and have been doing it I add 2V to my ohm and adjust for flavor which has worked fine so basically I am between 3.6-4.4 V.

so now my question is with rebuildable dripping atomizer( Atomic) and rebuildable tanks (Russian 91% Kayfun Light +) I ordered all of the above and will be trying Micro coil builds but that is where I am confused. I watched a lot of YouTube videos mostly Mr Rip Tripper with let's say a 1.4ohm microcoil build and I see him using DNA 20 device to go 15-20W on a 1.4ohm microcoil build if I ran that much wattage on my current Clearomizer it would fry the .... out of my juice so what makes these builds so different that allowed them to run such high Volts/wattage without burning the juice?

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[xtwosm0kesx]

It's an oversimplification, but basically better juice feed/wicking and better airflow.

If your system can keep the wicks wet and have enough airflow to keep the temperatures down, you can run some pretty high power levels.

 

[Stosh]

It's a misconception that RBA or RDA or Genesis type toppers have to be built with very low resistance and fired at very high wattage. If the topper can deliver juice to the coil fast enough, and you have sufficient air flow, high wattage is possible, not necessary.

I'm currently vaping a Genny with a 2.8Ω coil, at 8.0 watts, and it is very flavorful and lots of vapor...

 

[ToolmanTexas]

I'm running a Kayfun lite with a 2.6 Ω coil at 5.5 volts... great flavor and vapor production.

 

[Jdbaker82]

It's an oversimplification, but basically better juice feed/wicking and better airflow.

If your system can keep the wicks wet and have enough airflow to keep the temperatures down, you can run some pretty high power levels.

I think you answered my question this makes sense. now that I look at the coils in the Nautilis I see they are nothing compared to the Micro coils I watched rip build night and day. so airflow and wicking faster makes sense

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[novamatt]

So let me tell a story here (don't worry, this will help answer your question, I promise).

Say you decide you want to learn to ride a motorcycle. So you go out, buy yourself a decent bike, and sign up for lessons. The day before you get your bike home, you turn on the TV and see a crazy motorcycle stuntman jump off a ramp, through a ring of fire, and then over 15 cars lined up in a row.

Rip Tripper is that stuntman. It's not a perfect comparison, because you can get there in a couple of months if it's something you want to learn, but the same basic idea applies. It's better to watch most of the things he does as entertainment than to try to them. He does it with a combination of equipment that's geared for his goals, electrical knowledge (batteries, amps, Ohm's law stuff), and skill that comes from building LOTS of coils.

That said, you *will* find that once you start building good solid coils, you can take the power significantly higher than you're used to without burning your juice. I went from vaping my clearomizers at about 6 watts to 10 watts in my rebuildables, and I run pretty normal coils (about 1.5 ohms or so) on a regulated mod. You'll also find your flavor and vapor production improve a lot, but that also means you'll go through more juice.

 

[Hijack]

So let me tell a story here (don't worry, this will help answer your question, I promise).

Say you decide you want to learn to ride a motorcycle. So you go out, buy yourself a decent bike, and sign up for lessons. The day before you get your bike home, you turn on the TV and see a crazy motorcycle stuntman jump off a ramp, through a ring of fire, and then over 15 cars lined up in a row.

Rip Tripper is that stuntman.

Can I copy that analogy and use it? Just kidding that ones yours.

 

[novamatt]

Can I copy that analogy and use it? Just kidding that ones yours.

Hey, feel free. Maybe it will help us with the guys who want to "blow massive clouds" but don't know what an amp is or what battery they're using.

 

[Jdbaker82]

hey hey now I am not trying to become any rip tripper or cloud chaser I actually just want the flavor so I will think I will be perfectly happy with the Russian and KfL+. i am not sure what to expect from the atomic but I just needed something easy to taste flavors with

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[novamatt]

hey hey now I am not trying to become any rip tripper or cloud chaser I actually just want the flavor so I will think I will be perfectly happy with the Russian and KfL+. i am not sure what to expect from the atomic but I just needed something easy to taste flavors with

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Oh, I didn't think you were. I like the choices you're making in the first post, and I use similar gear. I was just pointing out that Rip Tripper's stuff is a bit out there sometimes.

 

[Maelstrom66]

Cloud chasing looks tempting, but I'm gonna leave that to the young bucks. My protank mini wicks 100%vg from some places just fine when I recoil it and leave the flavor wick out. With what I've learned about batteries in here, I'm sticking with my itazte VTR and about 8.5-9 watts. Blows some nice vape. Battery explosions are no joke, and I'm grateful for the safety insights this forum has shown me.

 

[cope]

in my russian i run a 1.3-1.5 coil and it performs so well on my mini i have to lower my nic levels from 18mg to 6mg it works that good and i usually only run it at 3.7v or on a mvp @ 9 watts

 

[daviedog]

If you subscribe to the concept, the more you get, the more you want.
Ripp Tripper is the end result of all of us..

 

[edyle]

OK so right now I just use Clearomizer tanks (Aerotank mega, Nautilus) with 1.8-2.4ohm coils and as I understand it and have been doing it I add 2V to my ohm and adjust for flavor which has worked fine so basically I am between 3.6-4.4 V.

so now my question is with rebuildable dripping atomizer( Atomic) and rebuildable tanks (Russian 91% Kayfun Light +) I ordered all of the above and will be trying Micro coil builds but that is where I am confused. I watched a lot of YouTube videos mostly Mr Rip Tripper with let's say a 1.4ohm microcoil build and I see him using DNA 20 device to go 15-20W on a 1.4ohm microcoil build if I ran that much wattage on my current Clearomizer it would fry the .... out of my juice so what makes these builds so different that allowed them to run such high Volts/wattage without burning the juice?

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What makes them different:
The size of the coil.

On your aerotank or nautilus and other clearos, the coil has to fit inside a small chamer about 5 millimeters across. The coil is wrapped with thin wire about 30, 32 maybe sometimes 34 gauge.

With a rebuildable you have a deck area about an inch big, and you can use bigger wire: often people use 28 gauge.

The fog machines used in concerts have much bigger coils.

 

[mentive]

I just registered and posted my first thread... but I'm just a little further along than you are.

When you start building your coils, make them bigger than what most videos say (the 1/16th drill bit was way too small, worked great on my kanger heads, but for my RDA the ones I built today were done on a small screw driver and are working amazingly) and if you use cotton don't put it TOO tight. It expands, and you should be able to pull it back and forth easily.

More air flow!

I'm using an Atomic as you mentioned. Being able to change the air flow works great =P I'm using the medium sized holes on my setup atm.