Newbie DIY vape mix fail. Help please

[xxJollyRogerxx]

Hey, it is not giving in at all! Even though I have been doing DIY for a bit now i still do buy juice to try it out. Ain't nothing wrong with that; not one bit

Also, it is highly advisable to go out and get some pre-made juice already while you learn the ropes. That way you can sit down and focus on what you are doing and vape at the same time. You have no idea how much juice went down the drain cuz I was still learning.

 

[Spazmelda]

Ha, buying premade isn't giving in, it's "researching flavor combinations".

i buy retail juice occasionally. Because I save so much money doing DIY, I can afford to splurge on the fancy stuff.

 

[Satiated]

I thought I posted that. Sorry. Yes I have not worked with the Nic before and of course I do not want to make any mistakes. But I do want to mix 20 distilled water or there abouts and the rest VG. I do not care about throat hit. I'll taste the VG and water first then add the nic. I have no idea what this Wizard Nic tastes like. Not sure if I should wait weeks and seep the nic with the VG either. From there I plan to use 5% then 10 % and 15 percent flavor one flavor to start until I find my sweet spot wit the flavor. I bought the Capellas Sweet Strawberry.

 

[Spazmelda]

20% water?

 

[zoiDman]

I thought I posted that. Sorry. Yes I have not worked with the Nic before and of course I do not want to make any mistakes. But I do want to mix 20 distilled water or there abouts and the rest pg. I'll tast the pg water first then add the nic. From there I plan to use 5% 10 % and 15 percent flavor one flavor to start.

Rats a Rot of Water.

 

[Satiated]

I have Nic 100mg
Target Nic 12mg
amt to make 15 mils total
15% Water
5% Flavor

I hit calculate and I get a negative 2.25 ml PG number '45 drops - 15 % of Total

So it looks like it doesn't like it if you plan to not use PG

 

[Satiated]

Rats a Rot of Water.

So I guess I need to buy and add PG. I know I have read other folks go the water route. So does 36 drops nic sound right to you? That' swhat it calculated and it seemed high to me for 12mg of final product.

 

[Satiated]

I totally agree with that. I've been puffing away on premade since Jan 2014 and I am just now wanting to do my own so I know what is going into the juice. I also haven't found any flavor or company yet that knocks my socks off. I must have bad vaper tongue so I have to suck on candy to make up for the lack of flavor. I read a plain VG/PG mix for awhile might wake my tongue up. lol One more questions My bottles arrived from Wizard Do I need to wash them first even though they are new? Also aren't you guys afraid of heating plastic bottles up with eliquid in them? Maybe I'm missing something here but glass bottles seem like the way to go. I love my glass funnel so far.

 

[zoiDman]

So I guess I need to buy and add PG. I know I have read other folks go the water route. So does 36 drops nic sound right to you? That' swhat it calculated and it seemed high to me for 12mg of final product.

Not sure what your Target PG:VG numbers are. Or what your 100mg Nicotine Base is. But Run your Ratios. If your Recipe calls for PG and VG, then you will Probably have Much Better Results if you use them.

Not saying that a Little Water in a Mix Doesn't Work. I think a Little does. And I dilute my Pure VG down before Mixing. But putting 20% Water in a Mix is Probably not going to Work Very Well.

But Everyone is Different. And you Won't Know until your Try It. It might be Exactly what you are Looking for?

 

[Spazmelda]

I'd guess that 20% water will probably not work very well, but you can always try it. My guess would be that it will mute flavor and produce very little vapor. Haven't tried water over 2-3% though, so I may be completely wrong.

Eta: I should have read the above post and just agreed with zoiDman, lol.

 

[Spazmelda]

Oh, and sucking on hard candy might have something to do with you not being able to taste your juice. I've noticed that if I chew a very strongly flavored gum and then vape, the vape is tasteless. Just an idea.

 

[Satiated]

Thank you for the reply. I guess I'll put in another order from Wizard with some PG in it and just go 50/50 like I have been getting premade until I get the hang of this. I've been reading so many peoples posts and I'm about ready to get started on this now that my bottles arrived. I think I'll try the VG alone so I can see if I like the flavor of it. Does PG have a flavor or are all brands that bare the USP classification the same taste? By the way I got 100mg of VG Nicotine 500 ml because I want to lean towards the VG side of things.

 

[MMSD64]

I aprecate the advice and support. Without included quotes I am starting to lose track of replies to my thread starting post due to other members questions to members within this thread. I have no issue sharing, but with mixing advice it's nice to know who people are responding to.

 

[Spazmelda]

Oh, oops. I actually lost track of who started the thread. I didn't realize there was more than one person asking questions

 

[MMSD64]

Oh, oops. I actually lost track of who started the thread. I didn't realize there was more than one person asking questions

It's all good. I didn't add 20% water while sucking a hard candy in my dilution test mixes, I could see they were discussions of a different question than mine. Lol

 

[MMSD64]

Follow up to my original post. I just "mixed down" my purfume throat killer (50/50 12mg 20% wizard Labs vanilla cupcake flavor and ultrasonic cleaner speed steeped (3 1/2 hrs) with and without heat batch that was never given cap off time.

Made a 5ml from it at 40pg/60vg 3mg (not adding/wasting new nicotine and getting nervous about going from near no PG from store bought up to a 50/50 change to the only Vaping I've tried). Using the ecig vape online calculator (it can handle flavoring with exsisting Nic mg numbers) I diluted a batch from the original 20% flavoring down to 5%.

Did the same with a 10% flavoring 5ml but it's exsisting mg diluted (no new Nic added) is 6mg.

Gave them a long warm bath and fighting my impatience I will let let them sit as long as I can bear (days?) before I vape a "taster".

Should I "air them out" without caps too? I met a mixer who said the flavor would "escape" doing that. Btw, the mixer is unwilling to share any real secrets or offer more than general advice. He earns his living with his shop. I understand it, but it's frustrating to stand next to someone who can show you exactly how to mix great stuff and they won't.

 

[xxJollyRogerxx]

I wouldn't wait ... a nibble won't hurt. Don't dump the whole bottle into the atty just a little bit to test it out. Then let it steep if it tastes in the area you were expecting. Then test again and see what has happened. Did it get better / worse and don't forget to keep notes on what you are doing. All my stuff is in Excel with the different versions of what i have done with comments so i can track what is happening to the recipe.

But therein was my dilemma, I felt i had to fill my tank at least 1/2 way to get a good taste of it which led to me feel like i was wasting juice if it wasn't right. So then i bought a dripper and that solved the taste test issue. I can now just put a few drops in the atty and see what it tastes like. Just a word of advice; you might want to get one.

I can imagine your frustration but that is like asking a chef to give away what is in his secret sauce. That is not going to happen and I can respect that as well. I can definitely tell you the guys here will not steer you wrong. So much good information is available it isn't even funny.

 

[zoiDman]

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Should I "air them out" without caps too? I met a mixer who said the flavor would "escape" doing that. Btw, the mixer is unwilling to share any real secrets or offer more than general advice. He earns his living with his shop. I understand it, but it's frustrating to stand next to someone who can show you exactly how to mix great stuff and they won't.

It's kinda Hard to fault someone who is in the Business of selling e-Liquids when they will Not Divulge a recipe.

Seeing that the Only thing that Stands between Him/Her making money and them Not is the Fact that His/Her recipe is Not Known. And hasn't been Posted to the Internet for All to see.

I successfully Cloned Tastyfinger. It is a Very Complex 9 Flavor recipe. It took about 7 Months of Trial and Error. And MANY Test Batches. I have been asked Dozens of Times for the Recipe. Both in Public threads in in PM's. I have declined Every Time.

It Doesn't seem fair to the OEM to Give their Recipe Away. Because I know that in 10 Minutes Later it is going to Plastered onto ever e-Cigarette out there.

 

[MMSD64]

I wouldn't wait ... a nibble won't hurt. Don't dump the whole bottle into the atty just a little bit to test it out. Then let it steep if it tastes in the area you were expecting. Then test again and see what has happened. Did it get better / worse and don't forget to keep notes on what you are doing. All my stuff is in Excel with the different versions of what i have done with comments so i can track what is happening to the recipe.

But therein was my dilemma, I felt i had to fill my tank at least 1/2 way to get a good taste of it which led to me feel like i was wasting juice if it wasn't right. So then i bought a dripper and that solved the taste test issue. I can now just put a few drops in the atty and see what it tastes like. Just a word of advice; you might want to get one.

I can imagine your frustration but that is like asking a chef to give away what is in his secret sauce. That is not going to happen and I can respect that as well. I can definitely tell you the guys here will not steer you wrong. So much good information is available it isn't even funny.

I did nibble and the dilutions carried the exact same burning purfume flavor. Again, not having ever tried PG above 30% maybe the dilutions at 40% added to the burning, but the hideous taste of acetone/perfume was just a bit less yet there in near full force.

Now I am nervous to try again. I have a over dozen different flavor concentrates to work with and am trying to build up the enthusiasm to try again.

I just wanted to create a creamy vanilla with a hint of tobacco. Then maybe a nice creamy lemon or fresh berry as an alternative. I did get quite a number of other flavors to get creative if I figured out the mixing process. At this point I would just love to get anything to work.

 

[zoiDman]

I just wanted to create a creamy vanilla with a hint of tobacco. Then maybe a nice creamy lemon or fresh berry as an alternative. I did get quite a number of other flavors to get creative if I figured out the mixing process. At this point I would just love to get anything to work.

Sometimes it is Easier to concentrate on making a Creamy Vanilla 1st. Get it Perfected. Then SLOWLY add a Bit of Tobacco Flavoring to it until the Blend is Right.

Vanilla can be a Tough Flavor to make. Because it can be Very Strong and Dominate other Flavors. I would Start with a Low percentage, 2 ~5% and work up.

Vanilla, in my mind, Also needs a Sweetener. And doesn't work in well if I use it Alone or Blended with one.