Newbie, joined to get much needed info on e-cigs

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carrrnuttt

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Hey guys,

First off, I know absolutely nothing about smoking. I have never been a smoker, although I've been around them (smokers) most of my life. Just giving background info on just how much a n00b I am to this.

I didn't join for myself. Here's the background (sorry for the length):

Me and my wife are currently taking care of my wife's dad, who has been a smoker long before she was born (she isn't a smoker, either). As it stands, he's severely diabetic, and is on dialysis 3 days out of the week for most of the past year, and he will be so for the rest of his life (he's not eligible to be on the kidney transplant list). He's such a smoker that his doctor actually recommended that he shouldn't even try quitting, since the shock of quitting on his body would be a lot worse than whatever harm it'll cause him for what's left of his life. (Although I personally know that there are ways to avoid such a shock--I think the doc was trying to be nice, while avoiding my father-in-law's temper.)

Anyhow, the thing is, my FIL is a very proud man (Vietnam vet, trucker for many decades), and him relying on us 24/7 has hit him pretty hard [despite the fact that we're more than happy to do it], and he's actually on anti-depressants, along with the many myriad of other medications he takes. Smoking his cigs is basically the only thing he feels he has left of his former-self, and I am about to take that away.

He's been having hallucinations that the doc says might be related to his anti-depressants. He also gets blackouts like when he ended up in our garage almost naked and he had no idea how he got there. Doc has given us the option to start weaning him off of the anti-deps. So we're in-between a rock and a hard place--do we keep him on anti-deps and risk him burning the house with a lit cigarette, or do we take him off the happy pills and risk him sinking further into suicidal depression, which is where he was before the anti-deps. He also has the tendency to pass out, although thankfully he has never done it while smoking.

Point is, he's getting worse either way, and lighting cigarettes without supervision is out of the question as it stands. We've decided to not take his cigs away completely. We'll lock it in our bedroom during the day when we're at work, and at night. He is awake at odd hours of the night to eat or smoke.

The big question after that LONG intro I guess is this: Is there any possible way to simulate as close as possible his smoking experience with his Camel Filters? When he first moved in with us over a year ago, I bought him one of these: Smoking Everywhere Electronic Cigarette Gold E Cigarette Kit

My FIL complained that the e-cigs I bought for him was too weak, and that was that. It was more of a suggestion back then, but it's obviously more dire now.

If there's anything out there close enough to his Camel Filters where he can quit cigs altogether--well, that would just be awesome. But as of now, we're hoping for at least something that'll tide him over between his regular smokes.

Thanks in advance for any advice, and I apologize for the rambling intro. I just need to get this done as soon as possible with as minimal impact on my FIL's psyche as I can.
 

Maxine

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Hello carrrnut. So hard for me to type and cry at the same time...

It's hard to choose an ecig for somebody else - any more than choosing a favorite brand of cigarette for them. That said in your situation, I'd go with an eGo, and at that two kits. That way you could have several ecigs set up for him at a time so he wouldn't have to fuss with battery charging and the rest or worse, forget to do a charge and have to go without.

For liquids I'd get an assortment and let him decide which he likes, which is pretty much what everyone ends up having to do. Regrettably none taste like a real cigarette. On the plus side, most find they taste better.

I'll stick around to answer any other questions that I can.
 

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Wow how thoughtful of you as non smokers to be so considerate of his nicotine addiction. Double kudos for looking after him in general, you are a great SIL

You need something that is easy for you to load and charge with an all day juice supply and battery. Check out the newer gogos, igos, echos, etc. They are supposed to have large cartomizers that will simplify the process for you.

For juices look for strong tobaccos flavors even though they can never really taste like a burning cigarette. Depending how much he smoked you will probably need 18 to 24 mg nicotine levels to start. Don't buy too much at once because he may not like it and taste buds change. Once he finds something he likes, charge a battery and load the cartomizer with juice and he should be good for the day.

People in nursing homes get used to only a few smoke breaks a day and boy to they look forward to them.
 

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Some people find Desert Ship to be more camel-like than Camel flavor. Buy both at FreedomSmokeUSA.net and I recommend 70pg/30vg to start. Both are Turkish blends. I think they call their Camel Camtel.

Get him extra atomizers too. I agree with choosing Ego. It is fatter than a cigarette - fat battery model with a charge that should last him up to 8 hours. And you can find larger longer-lasting batteries for it if he likes it. Get a drip tip for it. I think drip tip and carts+atty would probably be best for him unless he is a tinkerer. If he is, then maybe cartomizers.

Try 16-18mg and 24mg. if he vapes constantly then even 16mg may be too high. if he gets headaches or rapid/irregular heartbeat then that is usually too much nic.

See Liberty-Flights.com for kits and click the 20% off first in the upper left of the front page. Get some liquid there too but it's probably 100% PG and the nicotine may be a bit harsh in that.

And note that switching to vaping from cigs still means the body has to get over losing 4000 chemicals including MAOIs that are in cigarettes. It's not like it's an even switch. It's pretty even for a healthy person but some sick people actually get benefits from the other chemicals in cigs so you still need to watch and make sure he does OK on vaping. And make sure he drinks fluids.
 

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You truly are doing a great thing. There is a lot to consider, and a little more information would be helpful, such as his dexterity and cognition level. If both are relatively good then just about any big battery kit would probably serve him well. Maybe one battery change on his own a day and a few cartomizers.

If he won't easily be able to screw parts together then I would go for something like the Go-Go it has a very long battery life and very large capacity cartomizers. It still has a few downsides but now that they have made an adapter to be able to use smaller cartomizers and atomizers sampling juices is much simpler. He will probably want low resistance cartomizers, they have a hotter hit and are closer to an actual cigarette hit.

As for flavors, names don't mean a whole lot when it comes to tobacco, most that are named after a brand don't necessarily taste much like that brand. But BackwoodsBrew has several very good tobacco flavors I highly recommend Backo for a smooth tobacco and Hunter's blend for something with more kick. FreedomSmokeUSA also has some really good tobaccos, Wyat Earp is very popular.

You are going to have to do some research, don't jump into anything too quickly you are going to need an e-cig that is going to work for him the first time, they can get expensive fast if you have to keep buying different models.
 

Maxine

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Your cartridges can be refilled, yes. The cigarette you bought looks like a mini. If he's a heavy smoker, the batteries won't last him long between charges, maybe an hour or two but if he can do the recharging you at least have something to get him started.

Also consider getting some small sizes of other flavors besides tobacco. Many find that they enjoy the non-tobacco flavors better - like fruit, coffee, peppermint, chocolate, etc.
 

carrrnuttt

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If the battery you have can be recharged and if you disassemble the cartomizers to where you can see the Filler material (looks kinda like cotton usually) and you can then reassemble it, yes you can refill it.

Yes on all counts. :)

The way it worked, as I envisioned it, is that we can set up the drops in his cartridges when it needs it, and he can leave the e-cig in its charger in-between smoking sessions.
 

Maxine

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I'm probably worst case scenario - former chain smoker here - but to give you an idea, a cartridge lasts me 20 minutes of vaping (tops) and a my mini battery lasts me about an hour before it has to be recharged. And which is why I upgraded to an eGo with a drip tip. I think just one mini battery, if that's all you have, is going to be frustrating if he can't have cigarettes as a backup.
 

carrrnuttt

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It is not a real good idea to leave a battery on the charger after it is fully charged. They are protected but the protection does fail on occasion though not often, but it can be very dangerous to overcharge a lithium-ion battery.

Good point. I'll have to check out the manual for those things and how long they charge. Not even sure if there's an indicator of whether they're charged or not--it's been a while since I've looked at them.

I'm probably worst case scenario - former chain smoker here - but to give you an idea, a cartridge lasts me 20 minutes of vaping (tops) and a my mini battery lasts me about an hour before it has to be recharged. And which is why I upgraded to an eGo with a drip tip. I think just one mini battery, if that's all you have, is going to be frustrating if he can't have cigarettes as a backup.

I just looked at some videos on YouTube about the eGos with the drip tip. I might just have to invest in those, along with the suggested liquids. I guess when I bought what I bought, I attempted to buy something that *visually* simulated a cigarette as much as possible. Obviously, we're beyond those requirements now.
 

carrrnuttt

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I did the same thing - started with a super mini, then a week later bought a mini and a week later didn't care any more about looking like a cigarette so bought an eGo. The eGo isn't so awfully big, only 3/16" fatter than my mini. I've been using it for over 5 months now and I'm still happy with it.

Good to know, man. I really appreciate all the input. I'll be ordering an eGo sometime this weekend, most likely, since my oldest will be graduating high school today, and me and the family will be busy.

On that note, anyone know any local retailers in Phoenix, Arizona where I can actually look at these things before buying them?
 
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