I don't think it's that at all, John. But for what it's worth, I was a half a pack a day smoker of lights. The shop I bought my starter kit at told me to start at 18. WAY too high for me. So I went down to 12. Still too high. I settled in at between 6 and 3, depending on how much i vape that day. And tobacco flavor never did it for me. I still have that 18 mg "red" juice I started with sitting on a shelf. If you're going to satisfy everyone, you're going to need at least a few flavors in a bunch of mg levels. Just my 2c - not getting involved with whether this is a good idea or not - in my opinion that belongs in the "outside" part of the forum.
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If you want advice about how to make juice for yourself, maybe share some with friends once you are happy with your creations, this is the place to come for answers. If you want advice about starting an e-juice supply business, this is not the place to come for answers. If you are looking for advice about starting an e-juice supply business (with customers that may have a grudge against your product before they even try it) without even having created a single juice that you are happy with, there is only one answer: NO!
That is the last reply I have for this thread.
I don't even make anything off other shops. It's just hard enough converting people and keeping them converted that I don't see this as a very good approach.
Telling them they have to convert alone will have them giving you the finger.
John what you are doing is so so very wrong on so many levels . Why don't you just buy very large bottles from a reputable vendor and bottle into smaller bottles , at least then people will not be getting sick off something you made with no experience. You have put all this on the internet in this thread for all to see forever so you will be really hooped when someone sues you and this thread is the proof that you never knew what you were doing.
This has got to be the worst idea
I have ever heard. Going by your logic,since I am a reasoably intellegent person and I know how to drive a car, I can open an auto repair. You threw the term clients out there. They are not clients they at this point are people who are about to learn that vaping sucks. They will think this because they not only had vaping forced upon them but had an amature producing their juice.
So ya know I am strictly a consumer who loves vaping and have no reason other than it makes sense to discourage you from this.
I have ever heard. Going by your logic,since I am a reasoably intellegent person and I know how to drive a car, I can open an auto repair. You threw the term clients out there. They are not clients they at this point are people who are about to learn that vaping sucks. They will think this because they not only had vaping forced upon them but had an amature producing their juice.
So ya know I am strictly a consumer who loves vaping and have no reason other than it makes sense to discourage you from this.
i forsee alot of tenants moving out in the near future rather than knocking on ones door at 2am for some juice , i know your just trying to be a nice guy and help people but some how you may be made the bad guy here, you might step back and let the landlord take that position since he was the one that took the position
Learning how to DYI in 3 days then offering it to everyone and anyone = Very bad idea. That's all I'll say.
I'm not sure whether to laugh or what? I think I will just laugh at the thought of an entire floor of tenants knocking on his door and tossing the crappy DIY juice inside.
After 2 months of DIY I'm barely mixing pleasant, vapable, juice. Still not close to juice that would have been good enough to convert me to a vaper after being forced to quit.
I hope no kids drink an entire bottle of unlabeled 24mg nicotine.
After 2 months of DIY I'm barely mixing pleasant, vapable, juice. Still not close to juice that would have been good enough to convert me to a vaper after being forced to quit.
I hope no kids drink an entire bottle of unlabeled 24mg nicotine.
Please take the advise you have been given. This sounds like a REALLY BAD idea.
I have a customer of a non ecig related biz I run who gets juice from me. He was vaping since long before I was and money is no issue to a retired Wall Street guy. So he won't piss around doing anything himself not even building a coil. However even after being an ex 30 year smoker anything over 6mg on a 1.8 coil makes him light headed. He is a rare case but never the less he is extremely sensitive to nicotine. You give a guy like him 24mg just because it's what you used and someone could drop dead. Remember nicotine is a POISON and needs to be treated as such. I can lick 100mg off my hands (don't ask me how I know) while others may have a fit of vomiting from much less.
The biggest problem here is you and your landlord teaming up to railroad people into something for your own benefit. Obviously you are not doing this for charity nor is your landlord. There is some form of financial gain to be had from this venture considering how quickly you want to jump in head first. Especially on the part of the landlord as this would become part of a condition (even verbal agreeance is a condition and contractually binding) of the rental agreement. My guess is you had a hand in helping his decision and saw opportunity in steering other tenants away from having them buy juice at a reputable source.
Wrong, I went full ahead. Also, please do not supply nicotine to non-smokers. I only supply nicotine based eliquid to heavy, long-time smokers, who need to quit. That's why they need 24mg, like I did. I deal with people who have been smoking for 30-40-50 years and need to quit. 18mg usually doesn't do squat for them. Admittedly, some can do with 18, or even 12. Then I just mix accordingly. Don't give nicotine to people who don't need it, and mix with a brain, don't give more than they need, and work with them to find out what that is. Just takes a bit of legwork and brains.
This would be a GREAT way to demonize vaping. Despite my discontinuation of of cigarettes, I am honestly offended that there are people being forced to quit smoking. Look, I believe in the benefit of using E-cigs to get people of tobacco, but this is absolutely horrendous and wrong on too many levels. If you're serious and hellbent on doing this, for the love of god keep your ego deflated and keep this as simple as you possibly can. Don't make claims that you can't back up such as guaranteeing the safety of the product because it isn't. Less danger doesn't mean no danger, and unlike tobacco there hasn't been decades of research to confirm anything on e-cig safety. All it takes is one or two mistakes before it all comes crashing down.
The number of years someone smoked is totally irrelevant to how much nic they need. This is exactly why you should not be supplying people with juice as you are clueless. What determines what someone needs is based on a number of variables. Starting with the type of cigarette they smoked ultra light, slim, light, medium, full, 100's, cigars etc.. Someone who smokes a pack of Marlboro lights a day still needs less nic then someone who smokes half a pack of Reds. Those who smoke ultra need less nic than someone who smokes lights. And some people only smoke half a cigarette at a time while others chain smoke in spurts.
Sure there are shops and idiots who just hand out heavy nic juice like candy. They want people to remain addicted so they can sell more juice. But you have a responsibility and if anything happens to anyone it's your .... on the line. You are basically prescribing nic doses at your discretion. So rather then be stupid and hard headed about this you should take the time to learn the facts before you hurt someone.
I can't believe you actually went through with this..
Anyone I've ever tried to convert to vaping only got my email address, and a list of links where they can buy the products. If that person can't be bothered to take 10 minutes to follow those links, and buy the things I recommended, then they aren't ready to start vaping.
If you honestly felt that you were the last line of defence to 'force' these people to quit smoking, not only were you sorely mistaken, but you also took an enormous risk by giving out your first batch of DIY. That's akin to a high school dropout going to a hospital and prescribing medication in the waiting room.
I don't care how careful you are when mixing, giving out juice without AT LEAST a year of experience, a business license, and insurance is a recipe for disaster.
Shame on you.
Anyone I've ever tried to convert to vaping only got my email address, and a list of links where they can buy the products. If that person can't be bothered to take 10 minutes to follow those links, and buy the things I recommended, then they aren't ready to start vaping.
If you honestly felt that you were the last line of defence to 'force' these people to quit smoking, not only were you sorely mistaken, but you also took an enormous risk by giving out your first batch of DIY. That's akin to a high school dropout going to a hospital and prescribing medication in the waiting room.
I don't care how careful you are when mixing, giving out juice without AT LEAST a year of experience, a business license, and insurance is a recipe for disaster.
Shame on you.
Oh mother of god I can't believe you people are so pious and self important that you think you know everything there is to know in the universe and everything..TM.... these people aren't being forced to quit, they want to, but didn't know how to obtain ecig products. Also, my landlord wants to clear out our building of tobacco smokers, as it effects a currency exchange business up front. So he is paying for an ecig kit for each, who except the offer. No one is being forced. If you think I'm too stupid to mix simple batches, well too bad, I already have, and they are great. I went to university, it's simple ratios. Sorry, you guys just aren't that good.
Sorry, I forgot this was an American forum. I should of never presumed to have posted here. My mistake. Won't be back.
Guys how do I run a restaurant out of my living room? I've been eating food for a few years so it should be no problem.
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