Newbie Needs Help - Safer Smoke Supply

[JoeDogInKC]

I have bought myself 2 different e-cigs now, a Smoke 51 Trio and also one from Safer Smoke Supply in Kansas. I have been doing some research and found that it *seems* like the e-cig from Safer Smoke Supply is just a re-branded 510 of some kind.

I'm hoping that someone can tell me if, in fact, the one from Safer Smoke Supply is actually a 510 so that I can get more and different flavors, cheaper refills, etc. The pictures I've found of the 510 cartomizers look like they are exactly the same, but I'm not 100%.

The Smoke 51 Trio was extremely cheap ($20 for the basic kit), but the refills don't last very long at all, even though they are much cheaper. I found that the Magma/Inferno refills (510's) seem to be WAY cheaper than either of the ones I have AND come in a bunch of cool flavors.

Can anyone shed some light on this? I don't want to order any of the 510 refills and/or stuff to refill myself only to find out that they won't work with the SSS e-cig and was an additional waste of money.

Any help will be GREATLY appreciated. The website for the SSS device so you can check out pictures is Electronic Cigarettes, Electric Cigarettes Reviews, Best Smokeless Cigarettes Kansas City, Buy E-Cigarette Online @ Safer Smoke Supply.

I found a post on a forum somewhere (forgot to save it) talking about how much of a ripoff the SSS device was and insinuating that it was basically the same as a 510.

 

[dormouse]

Smoke 510 Trio is a Chinese wholesaler model Trio which might be L88b. If so, the threading is similar to 510 BUT the chargers are the opposite electrical polarity and you will destroy L88b in a 510's charger and vice versa.

Don't the Trio have carts that slip OVER its attys? If so, the 510 carts are not in any way compatible with what you have. There is a possibility that a standard resistance 306 atty will fit your battery and if so then you can use Joye 306 blank carts on the 306 atty.

Why aren't you refilling your carts with eliquid?

And here under Trio are some other "name" rebrands that are Trio model
http://realecig.com/2011/03/electric-cigarette-compatibility-guide/


The Safer model - no freaking idea. It is a 2-piece. 510 is a 3-piece with a long atomizer as the middle piece. The Safer model seems to have cartos and a female battery (recessed threads) so maybe it's an RN4081, maybe some Chinese wholsesaler model. No way to tell.

IMO
Don't overpay for who knows what by buying mystery models
Don't buy anything anywhere that charges over $15 for a white battery
Don't buy anything anywhere that doesn't sell blank carts and eliquid

And I also recommend not buying automatic batteries.

 

[JoeDogInKC]

Thanks for the reply. I think I may have been a little confusing with my original post. I'm more curious about the SSS device as opposed to the Smoke 51 Trio. The Trio is like you described, where the cart slides over the atty. On the SSS device, it's a self-contained "cartomizer" where the atty and cart are together in one non-removable unit. It appears to really be a 510, which is great for me, as I can continue using the same batteries and chargers, but order 510 blanks and refill juice from volcano.

 

[JoeDogInKC]

Atomizer Compatibility List - E-Cigarette Wiki

If you look at the picture to the right of the 510 section, those look very similar, if not 100% like the "cartomizers" that come with the SSS device. Replacement cartomizers from them are $17.50 for 5 (filled), and $9.00 for the cheapest shipping. Each cartomizer lasts between 24 - 36 hours for me, and is actually more expensive than regular cigarettes for me when shipping is included. And that is for a pack a day smoker.

Just trying to see what I can do to lower my costs here.

 

[dormouse]

How do you know SSS is 510 rather than RN4081? It would be highly unusual for a ripoff rebrander to sell 510 with prefilled cartos rather than RN4081 or a slim Chinese wholesaler 2-piece with prefileld cartos.

Both 510 and RN4081 have female threaded batteries. Their threading is different from each other.

Buy some prefilled (Chinese juice) 510 cartos here and see if they work (or the same site has blank cartos - look for the Boge ones, not the LR version)
http://www.litecigusa.net/510_Cartomizers_p/510cartosf.htm
You could also check LiquidXpress - they carry a poorly stocked selection of prefilled 510 cartos in some better flavors.
http://www.liquidxpress.com/Xpress-510-Cartomizers-c9/

510 is not a model with much selection of prefilled cartos. Most 510 and Ego/Riva 510 owners buy 510 blanks and fill and refill their own cartos.

And BTW - EVEN if the cartos work that does not mean a 510 can use Safer's charger or vice verso. At least one 510-like model used by "name" brand has reverse polarity compared to 510. Attys and cartos don't care but batteries definitely care. Even one 510 clone "fs510" may have reverse polarity. Always charge ecigs on their own charger cables.

BTW - what is the diameter of your model? 510 is around 9mm.

 

[JoeDogInKC]

I know that the Trio is an RN4081 and it's components don't work together with the SSS. The Trio is slighly larger diameter than the SSS although I don't know the exact diameter of either.

I'm just asking if someone can look at the device that SSS sells and see if it's a 510 copy, or possibly some other known device that someone else makes and SSS rebranded. The SSS device *seems* like it *might* be a 510 clone to me based on only the appearance of the cartomizers.

I like the SSS device better, but the prices for cartomizers is high, they only have 3 "flavors" and don't sell juice to refill your own. If it is a rebranded 510 or a rebrand of something else, I'd like to find cheaper cartomizers and/or look into buying blanks and filling my own. I would plan on using my current SSS batteries and charger so I don't lose my initial investment. I'm just trying, if possible, to eliminate some guesswork to save money on refilling my own cartomizers or buying cheaper pre-filled ones instead of ordering from SSS directly.

 

[dormouse]

Not possible to tell. If they sold it as a 3-piece the way 510 is sold then the long visible atomizer and small size of the cartridge (they stick inside the atomizer) would be a clue.

This is a 510
http://img.diytrade.com/cdimg/61967.../Electronic_Cigarette_e-cigarette_Joye510.jpg

http://www.sevengraylands.com/brain/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/joye-510-bd.jpg

http://www.liberty-flights.com/upload/products/large/1/31.jpg


These are RN4081 cartomizers.
http://www.aquavaporcig.com/5-Pre-filled-or-Blank-Cartomizers-for-Classic-RN4081_p_89.html
I do not see enough detail on the SSS site to tell the difference between a 4081 carto, a Joye 306 carto, or a 510 carto or any other male carto the Chinese might make. 510 and 306 would work on a 510. The only way you will know if SSS is 510 is to find someone who owns it who has already determined what it is.

 

[Stosh]

Welcome to ECF JoeDog!!
Your SSS does appear to be a 510 but there's no way to be 100% sure from a picture.
The rebranders do this on purpose to keep you coming back.
A box of 510 cartos, and some juice would be cheap enough to try, and at worst you may need to switch your PV entirely.
These would set you back $9, Refillable 510 Cartomizers 2.5 ohm, and you can pick up some sample size juices for $2.50. MadVapes is one of ECF's registered suppliers and has a forum here, good customer service and good prices for just about anything you need. (don't work there, just a satisfied customer)

 

[ancient puffer]

It's almost impossible to tell from pictures. My suggestion would be to find some inexpensive 510's and order them to see if they fit. If they do, you're home free. If not, you might want to consider keeping them anyway and just order a standard 510 when funds are available. 510 kits are relatively inexpensive, and much cheaper than the unknown mall kiosk types or the ones sold in service stations, etc.

 

[dormouse]

I believe the OP already owns a device that can use 510 cartos but is attracted by the prefilled cartos of the SSS and wants to know if they are 510 cartos,

No way to tell.

 

[JoeDogInKC]

Ok, I watched a video on here and I finally understand why I've confused all of you - lol. Sorry about this. Here's the situation. The SSS device is a 2-piece device. The atomizer is inside a sealed cart together as one single unit, it's not a 3-piece like the 510 you're talking about. Apparently they just look too similar from the pictures I've seen.

I now think the SSS is more like a KR808 kind of device.

I'd actually be ok with using either device, I just found that my Smoke 51 Trio carts don't last very long at all AND the juice seems to leak out if left on their side, compounding how little time they last. I like the combined "cartomizer" as SSS calls it (confusing with other peoples definitions) where the atomizer is contained within the cart and non-removable. They don't leak fluid out and seem to last a good while.

So, it seems like I should be able to do my own refills of the Trio device by buying stuff for a 4081 making it extremely cheap and a decent option. However, if I were able to find out exactly what kind of device the SSS is, I could possibly stick with that and get supplies from another place much cheaper (my preference because of the leaking/loss of juice). The big problem with the SSS device is the cost of the carts, especially with shipping, and that they don't appear to be easily refillable (again, I'm just a newb and did pry one of them apart and they do seem like they could be refillable with the right tools).

All I can really tell you is that the SSS device is 2-piece and slightly smaller in diameter, definitely not the same threading or size of the Trio (4081).

Hopefully this helps clear some things up. I will post some close-up pics of the SSS device and it's carts to see if they can be matched up with other brands if that will help any.

 

[xg4bx]

I'm thinking the SSS an l88b like the blu, revolver and volcano. I have a mini volcano and the batteries look identical to those pictured on the site.

L88bs are also the only models that have a pcc like that. 510 pccs are bigger and don't hold cartos (to my knowledge) and 808 pccs are just different looking.

 

[xg4bx]

Its hard to get a good pic but the volcano battery features the same rectangular notches as the ones I'm seing on the SSS site.

 

[dormouse]

I was also thinking it was a l88b. In which case it could use blank Joye 306 cartos. But I have seen cig-pack-look PCC for RN4081 too so it could be RN4081. You may need to try both and see what works.

 

[MickeyRat]

To the OP. It sounds like you are prepared to get a device that is incompatible with your current setup to get a cheaper option for consumables. If that's the case, I wouldn't recommend the SSS. You'd be a LOT better off going with a KR808D1 or 510 format. You'll have a larger choice of vendors and options. The people here won't steer you wrong.

 

[JoeDogInKC]

I think you may have misunderstood MickeyRat. I already own the SSS device as well as a Smoke 51 Trio. I'm simply looking around to see if it's possible to get replacement cartomizers for this SSS device without buying them from SSS because they are so expensive. I'm pretty sure this SSS device is a knock-off / rebrand of another device on the market, just trying to find out which one so I can try buying carts or stuff to refill my own.

Obviously I didn't do my homework before buying either device so I may now be stuck with both and looking at a third kit.

That said, if I were to buy another device, what would be the best bet for refilling my own and keeping it simple? I'm looking for good vapor amounts, decent flavor options, and don't care if it's an automatic battery or manual (but prefer automatic).

 

[swedishfish]

Everyone is going to recommend the one they're using because that works for them.

If you want a two piece, lots of reliable vendors sell a KR808 model. Make sure to get XL batteries so you don't have to charge batteries all day. V4L is a good vendor and they have great sales.

Something that looks less like an analog but is very reliable, easy to use is a 510 model. I'd recommend an ego because of the battery life. New batteries can last from 8-10 hours. You can get the Riva at Liberty Flights for $29.99. Includes two complete ecigs and a charger and carts.

With either the KR808 or the Ego, get a manual battery. Good luck!

 

[syderial]

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