Newcomer to these parts, Esterigon 1st impression

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JmanEspresso

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    Hello gents,

    and ladies,

    I dont post much here, but I do read and lurk ever since I added a GG mod to my collection some months ago. If you wanna know a quick little blurb about my vaping interests, its quite simple. Smoke free for ju-u-ust about a year now thanks to vaping. Started with them Blu's, progressed to cheap china VV mods etc etc.. I have literally taken the long, long path to arrive where I am know. I wasn't into vaping when you guys only had simple 801 batteries and cartridge attys, but Ive vaped on them. Ive tried the vast majority of vaping power sources and topper devices out there, and it wasn't until I found rebuildable atomizers, and then put those things on mechanical mods, that I found the vape that would truly keep me away from cigarettes. Today, thats 99% of what I vape. Mechanicals with rebuildables. the other rare 1% is a DNA30 mod which I recently bought, and will use now and then.

    I DO NOT buy counterfiets, but if YOU do, Id still be happy to share a vape with ya.



    So, my package from Fluid arrived today. It was a classic, Bishopheals inspired, GG order. Esterigon w/18650 tube, some Japanese cotton, and 60ml of Cinnamon (.Y.)'s. Happy camper=me.


    This is my second GG, my first, a couple months ago, was/is, a Just GG, Stainless Steel. The JGG has been one of my favorites of my collection.. Im very much into the high end european mods.. Im a GP PAPS Fanatic, and the Atmomixani Nemesis was my first Mech. The Just GG fit right in. So when I heard about the Esterigon, I jumped on it. I didn't even really know much about it, I was told about the launch a few hours prior, and new I loved my JGG, so I just bought it when it launched.

    I was surprised to learn it was 21mm, but everything else about looked awesome, the design and internals.. very nice. And 21mm isn't a problem, I was just surprised. I have a lot of RDAs, majority of which are 22mm, however it just so happens, two of my favorites are 21mm, so no big deal really.


    This mod is solid. It really is a unique piece of kit. You could say other mods look similar to previous GG mods, especially the GGTS and JGG. There are plenty of side button mechs out there.. they dont all have the quality behind them like the GGs, but they do share some aesthetics. But not the Esterigon.

    this thing is one unique mech. And I REALLY dig it.

    Its actually my ONLY 21mm mod. Ive got a LOT of 22mms, a hefty handful of 23mms, and a singular 21mm mod. But I like it!, it fits in the hand well. The button is BUTTTTTTTTER. Supreme action.



    I mean honestly, everything about this mod just oozes style and sophistication,, as does my Just GG, and many other GG mods. Can't say Im a huge fan of knurling, but I still really would like a GGTS.



    I guess thats all I have to say really. This mod is superbly awesome. And while I own another GG, I wouldn't fall into the category of "GG-minati".. The way a lot of you guys are about your GGs, Im like that with the GP PAPS. And I dont say that to disrespect, the exact opposite infact. I say that to point out, Id have no problem dissing this mod left right and center if it deserved it, I have no allegiance here. But I can't. This mod is SWEET!

    With the build quality, design choices, construction and overall badassery this mod exudes, ANY Mech Head should be tracking down an Esterigon. This is an awesome piece for ANY collection, and if you're into the other European/Grecian Mods, you should want this mod even more.

    Well done Imeo, Well done Indeed Sir.



    TL;DR Version- The Esterigon is a Mechanical Personal Vaporizer that vaporizes Electronic Liquid for inhalation and absorption of nicotine.
     
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    RiverNut

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    Yes he did, and he is a self proclaimed "fanboy". The ONLY issue I had with his review is how he ended with basically saying unless you are a GG fanboy, this mod isn't for you. When, in my opinion, there has never been a GG mod more for a non GG fan than the Esterigon.
    It made absolutely no sense to me.

    and maybe he thought this because of the 21mm, or the price, or who knows, he didn't explain why.
    just that there's better out there.
    What's so unfortunate about these ecig reviews is that many are way to subjective instead of objective, the way a review should be if it is to have any real meaning. And these reviewers need to realize that there are a whole lot of sheep in this world who take what they say as fact instead of what it really is, opinion. Even when they say it is only their opinion. And when you have such a following, you have a responsibility to the modder to be very careful about what you say, since it can literally make or break the modder.
    I just want objectivity. What's the quality and features. Give me close up views so I can see it. I don't care what your opinion is. If it looks like it has the features and quality I'm looking for, then I'll buy it and form my own opinion.
    This is not a personal attack on Todd. I don't follow him, but he seems like a genuine guy. Just be a little more objective, and try to leave your opinion out of the equation.
    As it's been said, opinions are like.... and everyone's got one. So if a review is opinion based, it has no meaning.
     
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    Mark Todd

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    So if a review is opinion based, it has no meaning.

    Exactly, ever single one of my reviews are "my opinion" I even put it in the description of every video.

    PLEASE, remember these are just my opinions, I am not an expert by any means and I would strongly advise that you research everything before you buy, never go off just my opinion, read and view as many reviews as you can.
     

    imeothanasis

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    Jman, first of all I want to welcome you on GG forum. Second and most important is that I want to thank you for requiting all my efforts to make something very special like Esterigon. I am also glad that you like it as much as I and all other customers like it. Its an e-cig based on detail and it was made only for GG users but after a lot of requests I made enough pieces for all vapers out there. I wish you great vaping days with it :)
    Hello gents,

    and ladies,

    I dont post much here, but I do read and lurk ever since I added a GG mod to my collection some months ago. If you wanna know a quick little blurb about my vaping interests, its quite simple. Smoke free for ju-u-ust about a year now thanks to vaping. Started with them Blu's, progressed to cheap china VV mods etc etc.. I have literally taken the long, long path to arrive where I am know. I wasn't into vaping when you guys only had simple 801 batteries and cartridge attys, but Ive vaped on them. Ive tried the vast majority of vaping power sources and topper devices out there, and it wasn't until I found rebuildable atomizers, and then put those things on mechanical mods, that I found the vape that would truly keep me away from cigarettes. Today, thats 99% of what I vape. Mechanicals with rebuildables. the other rare 1% is a DNA30 mod which I recently bought, and will use now and then.

    I DO NOT buy counterfiets, but if YOU do, Id still be happy to share a vape with ya.



    So, my package from Fluid arrived today. It was a classic, Bishopheals inspired, GG order. Esterigon w/18650 tube, some Japanese cotton, and 60ml of Cinnamon (.Y.)'s. Happy camper=me.


    This is my second GG, my first, a couple months ago, was/is, a Just GG, Stainless Steel. The JGG has been one of my favorites of my collection.. Im very much into the high end european mods.. Im a GP PAPS Fanatic, and the Atmomixani Nemesis was my first Mech. The Just GG fit right in. So when I heard about the Esterigon, I jumped on it. I didn't even really know much about it, I was told about the launch a few hours prior, and new I loved my JGG, so I just bought it when it launched.

    I was surprised to learn it was 21mm, but everything else about looked awesome, the design and internals.. very nice. And 21mm isn't a problem, I was just surprised. I have a lot of RDAs, majority of which are 22mm, however it just so happens, two of my favorites are 21mm, so no big deal really.


    This mod is solid. It really is a unique piece of kit. You could say other mods look similar to previous GG mods, especially the GGTS and JGG. There are plenty of side button mechs out there.. they dont all have the quality behind them like the GGs, but they do share some aesthetics. But not the Esterigon.

    this thing is one unique mech. And I REALLY dig it.

    Its actually my ONLY 21mm mod. Ive got a LOT of 22mms, a hefty handful of 23mms, and a singular 21mm mod. But I like it!, it fits in the hand well. The button is BUTTTTTTTTER. Supreme action.



    I mean honestly, everything about this mod just oozes style and sophistication,, as does my Just GG, and many other GG mods. Can't say Im a huge fan of knurling, but I still really would like a GGTS.



    I guess thats all I have to say really. This mod is superbly awesome. And while I own another GG, I wouldn't fall into the category of "GG-minati".. The way a lot of you guys are about your GGs, Im like that with the GP PAPS. And I dont say that to disrespect, the exact opposite infact. I say that to point out, Id have no problem dissing this mod left right and center if it deserved it, I have no allegiance here. But I can't. This mod is SWEET!

    With the build quality, design choices, construction and overall badassery this mod exudes, ANY Mech Head should be tracking down an Esterigon. This is an awesome piece for ANY collection, and if you're into the other European/Grecian Mods, you should want this mod even more.

    Well done Imeo, Well done Indeed Sir.



    TL;DR Version- The Esterigon is a Mechanical Personal Vaporizer that vaporizes Electronic Liquid for inhalation and absorption of nicotine.
     

    RiverNut

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    yes I know Todd but you're missing my point on the sheep analogy.

    most opinions are harmless, others can be very damaging if you have a lot of influence.

    In any case, I am very sorry for jacking this mans awesome review. I couldn't sleep last night and stumbled here. So I will leave it at that.

    But I am a reasonable person and not close minded, so if you care to discuss it further in private, I would love to explain my thoughts in more detail.
     

    imeothanasis

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    River,

    Just playing devil's advocate but Todd's review was not overtly negative towards the Esterigon. Todd did say some pretty gushingly good things about the Esterigon.


    Sent from beyond the vaporsphere.

    Jos, you are not wrong. Todd said some good things. But please follow my thoughts: Lets say that I say some good things about you. You are a very nice person, tall, handsome etc. At the end of my video about you (that is the most important part because it stays on customer's memory), I will say that there are much better people than you, and of course I dont recommend you to anyone, just only to your friends. And all these without any explanation!

    Do you think that you would like a review like this about you? Wouldnt you ask for explanations?

    What I really think is that Todd just doesnt like me for unknown reasons and he has choose a "clever" way to badmouth esterigon. Of course maybe I am mistaken! But if you say such things on a video and instead of reviewing a product you compare it with other mods and also you dont recomend it for anyone and all these with no evidences, then you push people think the worse for you
     

    imeothanasis

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    I agree with you totally River. Things are exactly like you said.
    Yes he did, and he is a self proclaimed "fanboy". The ONLY issue I had with his review is how he ended with basically saying unless you are a GG fanboy, this mod isn't for you. When, in my opinion, there has never been a GG mod more for a non GG fan than the Esterigon.
    It made absolutely no sense to me.

    and maybe he thought this because of the 21mm, or the price, or who knows, he didn't explain why.
    just that there's better out there.
    What's so unfortunate about these ecig reviews is that many are way to subjective instead of objective, the way a review should be if it is to have any real meaning. And these reviewers need to realize that there are a whole lot of sheep in this world who take what they say as fact instead of what it really is, opinion. Even when they say it is only their opinion. And when you have such a following, you have a responsibility to the modder to be very careful about what you say, since it can literally make or break the modder.
    I just want objectivity. What's the quality and features. Give me close up views so I can see it. I don't care what your opinion is. If it looks like it has the features and quality I'm looking for, then I'll buy it and form my own opinion.
    This is not a personal attack on Todd. I don't follow him, but he seems like a genuine guy. Just be a little more objective, and try to leave your opinion out of the equation.
    As it's been said, opinions are like.... and everyone's got one. So if a review is opinion based, it has no meaning.
     

    imeothanasis

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    Todd, maybe you know it, maybe you dont know it but I have to tell you that you have power in your hands and you must handle it carefully and seriously. Not all people must have power in their hands because they dont know what to do with it. I hope that you will use yours wise.
    You are not the small guy you were at the past. Now people are watching you and they are based on your reviews. So, if you are really a nice person and you dont try to damage my reputation for your own reasons, I have to tell you that its not enough to write on your reviewsw that "its only my opinion, so do your research". Its pointless. What you have to do is to study carefully the product, talk with maker, watch his videos, use it for a while and then make a review using arguments to support your opinion. Dont try to make a review 1 day after you receive a product.

    I take a lot of advices per time to time from GG people on GG forum and I am grateful for this. So dont feel bad if someone gives you an advice, just thank him and if you dont like his advice then dont follow it.

    I do think that all vapers need serious reviewers, reviewers with heavy opinion. Most people dont know almost anything about a product and when they see a reviewer with experience like you to not recommend a product, what do you think they will do? Will they make their own research? But their main research is you and other reviewers!
     
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    I been holding my tongue on this issue do to the fact because I made it a rule not to meddle in other reviewers reviews. Everyone has there opinion some good and some not so good.

    With respect to everyone I need to say something.

    Rivernut, As you said so eloquently the following

    "The ONLY issue I had with his review is how he ended with basically saying unless you are a GG fanboy, this mod isn't for you. When, in my opinion, there has never been a GG mod more for a non GG fan than the Esterigon.
    It made absolutely no sense to me."

    When I read this it bothered me a great deal not because of being a fan boy but because I listed 10 points as to why I found this device great for beginners. in matter of fact here is the list i posted:

    1)Set a battery and forget it! Let’s look at this. GREAT feature we don’t have to adjust anything. You know how many HIGH end mechanical mods (copper, brass etc) not going to name them. That we have to adjust if it’s a bottom cap, or top cap to stop battery from rattling. As well as manual adjusting it do to different atomizer.

    2)The 510 auto adjust cap!!! FORGETABOUTIT!!! No more adjusting the RBA 510 connector. No need to extend it to make contact. It’s AUTOMATIC. This takes away from us from manually removing top cap to adjust atty flushness.

    3)Switch compartment OOOOOFAAAAAAAAAAA!!!! The button feels like you are not pressing anything. Many mods you have to press hard or have a deep press. This is very very light and smooth throw.

    4)Contacts in switch. Holy Cinnamon tities. This is by far genius. You have two springs constant force on brass. Brass fully contacts to 510 cap to battery compartment and button. This three way action design is Genius not just for hitting power it gives you but the ease of cleaning the contacts for continues long lasting hits. Using a micro towel or some never dull does the trick. As well as what Imeo showed you can easily turn the position of the contacts and you get a new clean layer. AMAZING. On other mechs I have to remove all contacts and clean them they don’t possess this ability.

    5)Locking switch, I love the abilty of locking the mod with a small ring and not a big ring. Very simple and easy to do. Very safe to leave mod flat on table and not worry button will be pressed against table.

    6)Vent holes for battery. Many mechanical mods don’t have enough venting holes for battery and this is very very important if you sub ohm since battery can get hot.

    7)Esterigon has a large vent holes so if you like to vape on a 306, 510 dripper or using a dripper with unsealed 510 it will maximize the potential of the vape.

    8)Esterigon feels very light and not heavy like many other mechanicals.

    9)Esterigon can be used in all sizes of 18650 batteries and still auto adjusts to fit while keeping atty flush on cap.

    10)I find it to be one of the hardest hitting mods compared to stainless steel since it is stainless steel. To be fair It can’t be compared to brass or copper do to different conductivity in those metals.

    Now any experienced mech user will find these points valid and more simplicity. How ever someone just either overlooked it and didn't see it being great to mention. Find it hard because there is no MECHANICAL out that can auto adjust 510 pin for atty, Also No auto adjust for Battery size. I can keep going on but you guys get the point. I have nothing against Todd and I mean no disrespect being that I'm also a reviewer I do what I can to be fair without prejudiced and bias. As Todd said it was his opinion.

    The best thing is leave it be and move on. As more and more new people and current gg users get on Esterigon they will see the true power. To achieve this power you may need to clean your esterigons contacts and do what Imeo showed. OOOOFAAAAAAA it helps. I do mines a little different but gets same results.
     

    JmanEspresso

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    Just wanna return and comment.

    Been using it since I got it.

    I like it very much. Right not its got a Trident 2 on top.. not my first choice of RDA, but certainly no slouch. I ideally would like to run my Crown RDA on here, but my Crown is a particularly finicky RDA and only fits on a couple of my mods for whatever reason. No big deal, the Trident 2 is definitely worthy. I could put any number of popular RDAs on it, but Im a stickler for the right fit.. I can do smaller RDA, but I cant handle a wider RDA than the mod. Personal taste is all.


    I dont want to have my thread seen as a jab at Todd, its really not. I like Todds videos, I watch them all the time, and honestly I simply chose not to watch his on Esterigon because I had heard people were saying things about his video, and I chose to just remove myself from any of that. Only video I watched prior to using the Esterigon, was yours Bish, purely because on MY youtube page, yours came up first for me(I had been watching some of your recent stuff so you were on top of my youtube page).


    Further, I DO agree with your list Bish, but juuuuuuuust because I wanna be a pain in the .... for a minute, I gotta correct you on one tiny little point you make. [copy/paste]Find it hard because there is no MECHANICAL out that can auto adjust 510 pin for atty, Also No auto adjust for Battery size. [copy/paste]

    This is almost true. Except for GP PAPS. All of their current mods come with the "GPIN", which is a similar system to what is on the Esterigon. Snugs the battery and the atomizer, automatically. No manual adjustment of anything, you just put in a battery, and screw on an atty. Its done in a different way, but the result is the same.

    Im not trying to get into comparing the two brands, its just not something I wanna do. I love my GGs, and I said already that I LOOOOVE my PAPS.


    Bottom Line, Esterigon is beast. That is not opinion, that is fact. :)
     

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