News Reporting At It's Finest

Status
Not open for further replies.

jerrydon10

Unregistered Supplier
ECF Veteran
Summary is here;

Summary of Results: Laboratory Analysis of Electronic Cigarettes Conducted By FDA

Final Report is here;

http://www.fda.gov/downloads/Drugs/ScienceResearch/UCM173250.pdf

The ABC story is well-- not fit for human consumption;

Real facts;

-Only 1 cart tested had 1% DG.
-The FDA knows exactly what is in these carts (It is in the report)....
-E-cigs come in 2, 3, or 4 part designs- and not just 3 part designs.
-E-cigs, as far as I know, aren't made by big tobacco companies.
-Purchasing pre-filled njoy and SE brand carts is more expensive than buying generic cigarettes by the carton in most states and premium cigarettes in some states.

Did they get anything right??

No. But what do you expect from this company?
 

trog100

Moved On
ECF Veteran
May 23, 2008
3,240
13
UK
"news" isnt news its enterainment.. they also need to keep their ratings high..

they obviously think taking a negative slant on e cigs as apposed to taking a positive one will help their ratings.. which is the really bad news for us..

basically these dudes tell the majority what they think the majority wants to here.. which it seems is negative things about e smoking..

trog
 

holder

Full Member
ECF Veteran
Jul 31, 2009
32
0
Minneapolis, MN
This article made me realize that I should worry about being a pedophile. At work, I ate a fun-size candy bar, and it was indeed fun! By eating said product, I was trying to live in a child's world; clearly candy is strictly marketed to children! (How about laws against that? Child obesity, diabetes, rotting teeth.) I had intended to dress in a festive costume tomorrow, and dispense sugary confections to kids, but I now realize that I would merely be trying to lure them into the seductive charm of vaping. I clearly need deep psychotherapy, and possible removal from society! Thanks, ABC affiliate!
 

raddiver

Senior Member
ECF Veteran
Oct 13, 2009
75
0
Brandenburg KY
Here's what i posted. We'll see what happens


I will say this.
As a 27 year smoker, i was able to put standard cigarettes down within 3 days i started with my e-cigarette.
And this is the real problem. It comes down to economics. I don't buy cigarettes anymore, so there goes tax money. Multiply that by the thousands that have already stopped purchasing cigarettes, and you can see why big tobacco/ big pharma / fda want to stop their use.
I make my own liquid, so I KNOW EXACTLY what is in it. If you read the FDA report in full, you will notice that the levels that are being talked about are much lower in the e-cig than they are in a normal cigarette or thier NRT control.
 

IANAN

Senior Member
ECF Veteran
Oct 20, 2009
170
2
yep a some positives and some negatives.... but really it was a fair report and it was truthful to an extent.... but I know a few docs already that say tar is 90% of the reason why you get tumors and cancer from smoke.... but i never here anything about that anywhere.

What part was true? -- Well I guess the part that said you can purchase NJoys at Pilot stations and other brands at malls or online...

No smoke- no odor uhmm... of course there is simulated smoke. There is a faint odor that doesn't linger also- many times it is pleasant if you aren't vaping tobacco flavor. The funniest thing about it is they showed the dude using it while they said it produces no visible exhausts while the guy was exhaling vapor.
 
Last edited:

LoneWolf

Full Member
ECF Veteran
Oct 16, 2009
45
8
54
its the media doing that it does best, reporting on anything bad, and not bringing up the good in anything, the media would rather you hear negative stories than positive ones... Im so sick of people saying there is antifreeze in esmoke.. makes me want to vomit. Leave us alone, and come up with real reports, no lies, STOP BIG TOBACCO! It wouldn't hurt me at all if they came out and shut big tobacco down for good, i don't care how much revenue they bring to the government table.. This is clearly money driven.
 

smc

Senior Member
ECF Veteran
Apr 14, 2009
197
0
California
yep a some positives and some negatives.... but really it was a fair report and it was truthful to an extent.... but I know a few docs already that say tar is 90% of the reason why you get tumors and cancer from smoke.... but i never here anything about that anywhere.

I somewhat agree with you after watching it for a second time. The main issue I have with it is the lack of investigative reporting. They hyped this piece all week long to only present this big pile of stink. The pouring of antifreeze was unnecessary and bad practice IMO. They used a common joe as the pro, and a doctor as a con. Then again I guess I should not expect much from a local news station.

Also their choice of wording is pretty bad. "Doctors say ... mysterious and probably dangerous.". "secrete weapon". "diabolical".
 
Last edited:

gooney0

Unregistered Supplier
ECF Veteran
Sep 25, 2009
284
2
Falls Church, VA
Making up conspiracy theories isn't news either. Obviously they have no evidence that "big tobacco" is behind an evil plot or they would have stated it.

This is why I don't watch the evening news. Its nothing but fear mongering. They play up 2 inches of snow as a "blizzard" then can't wait for someone to die so they can bring us "updates as they happen."

Thats the first time i've heard an atomizer called a "vaporizer."

Half of the video was borrowed from other news casts. I recognize the black guy at the mall from weeks ago.

-Gooney0
 

IANAN

Senior Member
ECF Veteran
Oct 20, 2009
170
2
I somewhat agree with you after watching it for a second time. The main issue I have with it is the lack of investigative reporting. They hyped this piece all week long to only present this big pile of stink. The pouring of antifreeze was unnecessary and bad practice IMO. They used a common joe as the pro, and a doctor as a con. Then again I guess I should not expect much from a local news station.

Also their choice of wording is pretty bad. "Doctors say ... mysterious and probably dangerous.". "secrete weapon". "diabolical".

They could have pulled the multiple Health New Zealand trials (Ruyan funded) posted here Health New Zealand Company News, electronic cigarettes

Or they could have at least read the FDA summary report (Only 1 cart tested had levels about 1%)...

But yes- just from their choice of words it shows how slanted this "news report" was. Forget the fact that they did almost 0 fact checking.
 

skydragon

ECF Guru
ECF Veteran
Verified Member
Oct 7, 2009
11,551
7,998
Mountain Cave
Maybe we should all start writing Letters To The Editors. Explain what is actually going on and why. That it is not targeting children any more than any other flavored item is. And what about cosmetics. Talk about targeting children and look at all the chemicals that are in them.
Then when people still won't listen because they are on a holy war against anything that resembles smoking, we tell them if they don't leave us alone, we will smoke anyway and any place we want to. Then we will be arrested, thrown into jail and they, the holier than thou taxpayers, can pay for us because we will refuse to pay any fines etc. They might reconsider their unsubstantiated accusations if they might have to pay out money in order to enforce them.
 

kristin

ECF Guru
ECF Veteran
Aug 16, 2009
10,448
21,120
CASAA - Wisconsin
casaa.org
I posted a comment:
Electronic cigarettes have been on the market for over 5 years. There has not been ONE report of injury or serious illness related to them. On the contrary, people are reporting improved health by using them. Isn't that "proof" right there? If people were really inhaling "antifreeze," don't you think someone would have become sick by now? Are you going to listen to people who have never tried them nor tested them or the half million-plus people who are already benefitting from them every day?
 
Status
Not open for further replies.

Users who are viewing this thread