Next Step up from Volt X2

[kiwivap]

Altsmoke and Smokeless Image (I am pretty sure) are the same company. They have the same address and are in the same strip mall.

No they are not the same company. They are not sister companies either. I don't know how you could be "pretty sure". The owners do know each other tho. See here: http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/smokeless-image/327693-smokeless-image-alt-smoke.html

 

[tomespen]

This is what I would do ...
1. Save up more and get a Provari
2. Ego Twist

 

[ShogaNinja]

I know the owner, Rob, of AltSmoke. He told me that he and the owners of Smokeless Image are merely friends, but that the two companies are separate corporations. They do share the same warehouse for economic reasons to help keep their costs down and to help pass these savings on to their customers.

Sorry to hear about your misadventure with the Kicked Silver Bullet and Vivi Nova. I've not heard of this combination being reported as being a common occurance. There must have been something out of wack for this to have occured, most likely an atty resistance vs voltage issue. Say if this had been a Provari instead of the Silver Bullet, whatever the issue was that resulted in the failed battery/hot spring, the Provari's safety features would have prevented it from happening in the first place and would have told you exactly why it refused to fire. SAFETY FIRST. ALWAYS.



Not sure what point you are trying to make here. Dual coils were a nice idea that didn't really pan out in the real world. They really shorten battery life compared to single coil cartos, and the practical end result does not result in improved vapor or flavor. Read the forums; more and more people are switching from dual coils to single coils.

People start out using the dual coils because that is what comes with the XL size carto tanks, and they either believe that is the only carto replacement or are unaware that you can actually use a single coil carto in a DCT type tank. Brilliant marketing idea by smoktek. But wiser experienced vapors have caught on to it. Triple coils? Give me a break.

Why would the majority of 510 mod users want an Ego connector as the default connector?

I didn't understand what point you were attempting to make about the "problem with the Provari is the lower amperage than the newer releases".



Ummm, last I checked the Provari is doing things that most APV's can't even touch. I'm not so sure that a Provari could not handle a triple coil (I know it can handle a dual coil), but even if it couldn't, that wouldn't be a deal breaker for me over the other more important things it DOES do.



Did you really just say that? REALLY?

You just made my own point so much clearer. Thank you very much.

Man I really don't want to get into another Provari war. I like you, let's be friends. OOOOOK... here we go.

Glad you were able to clear up the mystery about altsmoke. I found it hard to understand why they robbed people blind with Volts in Smokeless Image only to turn around and give some of the best prices on ecig stuff at Altsmoke. That makes sense now. They're not the same people. Why they sit there and compete with each other in the same strip mall is completely beyond me. Anybody who knew anything about e-cigs would head straight for Altsmoke instead of Smokeless Image. Anyway, I appreciate the heads up.

The Provari won't let you vape a low resistance dual coil at 6v, try it, and if it doesn't throw and error 2 code then make a video of it because it will be a magical day. Let alone a triple coil. With 5 amps the Vario can do that with room to spare. 1.2ohms at 6v is what it can handle according to Ohm's Law. 5amps = 6volts/1.2ohms. Now I'm not saying there's a need for that but it's nice to know you're not going to throw an error code. An Advanced Personal Vaporizer should be limited by nothing that's currently on the market. Otherwise it's not advanced. So when you say "the Provari is doing things that most APV's can't even touch" I have point out that some other APVs are and even more will very soon be doing things that the Provari can't touch. Stop being a fanboy, the Provari's a methuselah and it's about to be knocked off the top with a quickness. When you can throw 5 amps there really is no need for safety since you are never likely to overload it, but just in case the Vario has the same safety as the Provari.

What do you think the Provari does that the Vario will not? The only thing anyone can point to is this magic reliability factor of Provari (which isn't as true as most people make it out to be) when none of them have held a Vario in their hands and tested it until it's broken. The fact is, no one can say with any truth how reliable the Vario will be. Even so the Provari only comes with a 1 year warranty, and another year for $25 which you have to decide on before it leaves provape. On top of the $159 cost for the ugly satin silver finish, I neglected to mention that they other finishes are $20 more and the 18650 endcap is another $20, two 18650s are another $25.90, $17 for the charger. With the warranty (to maintain the magic reliability factor), that's just one notch shy of $250 ($270 if you don't want the ugly one). The Vario's a done deal at $80 for the mod, and $100 for the kit (which doesn't add an insulting $20 for an endcap they KNOW you need). Comparing that to $250 (to $270) is enough to by 2.5 of them. If each one of the two you could afford with that happens to come with a 1 year warranty then you'd still be ahead $50-70 bucks for the same, if not better, effect.

I'd wager as many people use and love dual coils as hate them.

GrimmGreen was the one who melted his Silver Bullet's safety spring and ruined 18650 batteries , TWICE, not I. I wouldn't waste my money on a non-variable voltage tube mod, personally. I believe that's why he jammed a Kick in there; to justify his continued use of it.

Proof here:


I personally HATE stardusts (vision clearomizers)(and I can't imagine using one on an APV), but some people love them to death. The 510 connector the Provari sports doesn't work a Stardust because it screws into the EGO threads, which the provari doesn't have. The fact is that you need an adapter to use it (a made in China adapter, no less) and that's no longer acceptable. There are also a couple of other atomizers I can point out won't fit on a Provari without an adapter as well. The Vario's cone threads are recessed below the top of the tube so they're there if you need them, and not seen when you don't. That's innovation.

I said "What good is the ability to service an APV if it's so reliable you never need it?" and you took that as saying that the Provari is so good that it doesn't need servicing, but yet they have it. That means it does need servicing. A simple google search will reveal stories of tragic provari death (and the shortest one was 1 day btw). I was saying that what if the Vario comes out and it has such good reliability that it doesn't need a service center? There'd be despondent Provari owners in the streets because their last vestige of superiority would be no more.

Ok. luv ya, but I'm done pointing out the flaws of the almighty Provari. Have a fantastic day.

 

[Baditude]

ShogaNinja, I don't wish to get into a so-called Provari war either, but I felt your comments knocking the reputation of the Provari were untruthful, unwarranted, unnecessary, and needed addressing. Your comments come across as biased and it is unnecessary to attack a device that obviously has earned its place and reputation. Unless you have owned one, you can't possibly understand.

There are way plenty of user comments coming from people who have actually owned or used a Provari who can vouch for the quality and value of owning one. They are all over this forum, and all over the internet. The only people who complain about the Provari being over-valued or over-priced are those who have never owned one, so they are not qualified to do so.

The only unfortunate thing about your comments is a few unsuspecting people may be influenced by your biased views and bashing of an extremely well-reviewed and popular device, and cause them to hold off from buying the very device that they will likely end up with months down the road, after wasting their money on a Chinese rip-off that looked nice in pictures and had promises of what it could do, only to stop working 1-2 years down the road. Where can they send it to get it fixed? No where. "Sorry, these really aren't designed or built to last. Just shell out some more money for another mod."

The poor quality control of Chinese products are all over the forums here, and customer service is nonexistant. The American distributors that will sell them may offer a verbal warranty for a certain period of time, but should a product be a total lemon, what's to keep the distributor from announcing that customer support will no longer be in effect for said device? But that's ok, they only spent some $100 on it, they can easily buy another.

Please tell me what about this Vario convinces you that it will be any different. No, never mind. The truth always eventually comes out soon enough. The track record for the Chinese mods is long and notorious. These devices are what they are. Just buyer beware of what you are buying and what you are likely in for.

I could go on with other points that you made, but there really is no need on my part to point these out. Seasoned and experienced vapors know what I mean.

I hope the Vario is a successful device, if for no other reason than it could be an affordable device that allows more people to own a VV device. Whatever it takes to keep people off of the smokes, and do it safely, is all that matters. I have no stakes in this. The Vario will not really be in competition with the Provari, not even in the same class.

That's all. I have no personal beef with you. I just needed to get that off my chest. Good day and good night.

 

[kiwivap]

Glad you were able to clear up the mystery about altsmoke. I found it hard to understand why they robbed people blind with Volts in Smokeless Image only to turn around and give some of the best prices on ecig stuff at Altsmoke. That makes sense now. They're not the same people. Why they sit there and compete with each other in the same strip mall is completely beyond me. Anybody who knew anything about e-cigs would head straight for Altsmoke instead of Smokeless Image.

The Smokeless image bashing is unnecessary. They are a good company with a lot of forum users who like their products. I use them and know how they perform. I suspect you never have.

 

[Harplayr]

The Smokeless image bashing is unnecessary. They are a good company with a lot of forum users who like their products. I use them and know how they perform. I suspect you never have.

They just operate in a different market and cater to a different clientele , that's all. Both are quality companies. I love vaping my volt as well as more "advanced" systems.

 

[Harplayr]

........ An Advanced Personal Vaporizer should be limited by nothing that's currently on the market. Otherwise it's not advanced. .......

By that criteria the Vario isn't advanced either. It doesn't do variable wattage or some other tricks that others do.

I know you love to hawk that PV, and it might be the greatest thing since sliced bread or may be a hunk-o-junk, but I won't touch it until some good independant reviews are out. Hopefully it will perform great, but there are many VV PV's that don't implement PWM very well and perform poorly when compared to the better VV systems out there.

And yes, some people like to own something a bit "special" that has amazing build quality and has a luxury feel. There's value to that for some, but not to others. A Ford Escort will get you to Grandma's house just as well as a Bugatti but they cater to different people.

 

[kiwivap]

They just operate in a different market and cater to a different clientele , that's all. Both are quality companies. I love vaping my volt as well as more "advanced" systems.

Yes exactly. They have a very good reputation on the forum for a good reason. I think there are a number of very good pvs catering to different needs. It's great to have a a bunch of good choices.

 

[dirquist]

Satin is not ugly lol. It looks beautiful.

 

[thebluefox009]

Wow.. I guess I definately opened a can here with this question. Which I had no intentions of doing!

I am gonna stick with my X2 set up for now and prolly just get another battery and some of the new T3s when available. But here are some of my thoughts after looking around

Ego Twist: I might get that sooner than later just to try out a different set up and the variable voltage. Still doing some research here

Provari: I am really liking the look of this and the features so I am up in the air on this

Precise: I love love love the look but for the price...ehh .. I dunno.. I love the mechanical switches and just the look of it but it doesn't have any other features really.

Vario: I am liking the look and the price but until there are some solid reviews and it has been out for a month or so I don't want to throw in with something untried as a newbie

So I am still looking around and seeing what I might like. I do really like the cylinder mods and want something sleek and "sexy" looking (for lack of better use) but it don't matter 100% as of yet.

Thank you everyone for chiming in on the topic and I am still very open to other suggestions.

 

[cmd4au]

The Provari has been great for me. Dropped numerous times and still keeps going. Once even in a salt water swimming pool! After about a day and a half in a sealed up bowl of rice, it worked! Don't take any crazy chances with it of course, but it's a solid choice and a solid mod!

 

[klynnn]

I would buy a provari if it wasn't so expensive with all the peripheral stuff. I am not into the mega volts I am happy at the most 4.2. The twist is great and I am waiting on reviews for the Vario. I have to agree with Shoga on the stick batts though unless you smoke less than a pack a day it really is a waste of money. The problem is until you upgrade you don't knpw that.