Nic question

[themysterious1]

Ok so Im going to start DIY and I need to know 1 thing before I order my nic. I like to vape 24mg 50/50 or 60/40. With that being said I want to know what would the best nic to order be? I was going to order 60mg 100% pg but I got to messing around with the calculator and saw I really didnt have much room to play with as far as adding flavor. I am going to order from Wizard labs and I can order the nic different ratios instead of 100% pg. So my question is would it be easier to just order 100mg nic or order a different ratio 60mg nic and what would give me the room to add flavors? Ive read all the safety stuff about nic to and know its dangerous and the safety rules just looking for the easiest route. One other question while I am here.LOL What do you guys clean your bottles with to get the smell and flavor out of them so you can reuse them? Thanks.

 

[Cyrus Vap]

If you're new to this, and want to end up around 50/50, I'd recommend getting 100% PG in 60 mg, just as a start. That way you only have to add VG, the 100% PG nic is easier to work with (easier to shake, and it flows easier), and the 60 mg is a bit less dangerous should you make an error or take one in the eye

When you feel comfortable bump it to 100 mg as its more cost effective.

As far as what nic to get, that's a can of worms. If you want come visit the nicotine comparisons thread.

Wizard is a top notch vendor with great prices, great service, great personality, integrity and...product. Can't go wrong there. Check out his glassware for mixing too.

PS: Get yourself some gloves, some eye protection if you want to be cautious, and I'd recommend a cheap plastic funnel and a graduated cylinder for mixing the nic. Or if you prefer larger syringes (20 ml) could do too (and glass bottles for decanting/injecting)

You'll want glass to store your high concentration nic, so think about some glass bottles. Also opaque glass is safest on juice period, so you may want to get glassware for your mixed juice along with smaller bottles for taking out/dripping etc (not sure what you do vaping wise).

 

[themysterious1]

Thanks and I read your reviews on nic the other night really well put together I must say. Thanks and it helps alot of us understand more.

 

[zoiDman]

If you want to make it Simple your first time DIY-ing, you could buy 48mg Nicotine Base in 100% PG and a Bottle of VG and of course, some Flavorings/Sweeteners.

By the time you add the VG, Flaoring and Sweetener, you would be right around 60%PG to 40%VG at 24mg.

Or you could Wimp out and buy 24mg in 50|50 and just add flavoring. It wouldn't be Exactly 24mg because the Flavoring would take it down to about 22mg (based on roughly 8% Flavoring).

 

[Rule62]

I've been DIYing for some time, and I still buy 48mg, mainly because of safety of handling. I'm uncomfortable with 100mg. My juices are usually 70PG/30VG, 15 to 18mg nic. I order my 48mg nic at 50/50. Wizardlabs nic is where I get mine.

 

[thinkingaboutit]

I've been DIYing for some time, and I still buy 48mg, mainly because of safety of handling. I'm uncomfortable with 100mg. My juices are usually 70PG/30VG, 15 to 18mg nic. I order my 48mg nic at 50/50. Wizardlabs nic is where I get mine.

I am brand new and I went straight to 100mg nic. To me it seems normal. You have to be extremely careful, but I can't see myself flinging 48 around the room. If you have to be careful with both, why not take the leap?

One thing I did that makes me feel more comfortable is I mix in 50ml glass jars. The wide opening makes it so easy to transfer from the nic bottle to the juice. I do it right by a sink with proper gear on.

 

[ingerri]

If you want to make it Simple your first time DIY-ing, you could buy 48mg Nicotine Base in 100% PG and a Bottle of VG and of course, some Flavorings/Sweeteners.

By the time you add the VG, Flaoring and Sweetener, you would be right around 60%PG to 40%VG at 24mg.

Or you could Wimp out and buy 24mg in 50|50 and just add flavoring. It wouldn't be Exactly 24mg because the Flavoring would take it down to about 22mg (based on roughly 8% Flavoring).

this is what i do for my 12mg...get 24mg pg, vg, flavor. use 5ml of 24mg nic, 1mg flavor, 4mg vg...get 12mg with 10% flavor

 

[zoiDman]

this is what i do for my 12mg...get 24mg pg, vg, flavor. use 5ml of 24mg nic, 1mg flavor, 4mg vg...get 12mg with 10% flavor

I learned early on that DIY is Really as Hard, or as Easy, as you want to make it.

By using Scalar Multipliers of the Original Nicotine Base mg level, it makes the Math something you can do in your head.

It also makes it Easy to put a Two Lines on a Bottle, fill it to the First Line with Nicotine Base. add Drops of Flavoring (Yes I Said Drops) and then add PG or VG or PG|VG Pre-Mix to the Second Line.

 

[zoiDman]

I've been DIYing for some time, and I still buy 48mg, mainly because of safety of handling. I'm uncomfortable with 100mg. My juices are usually 70PG/30VG, 15 to 18mg nic. I order my 48mg nic at 50/50. Wizardlabs nic is where I get mine.

I'm not a Big Fan of working wth 100mg either. And I sure as heck Don't want to work with it EVERY time I DIY.

I like to Dilute my 60mg Nicotine Base down to about 22mg Pre-Mix right when I get it. That way I only have to wear the Gloves and the Safety Glasses on time.

 

[zoiDman]

Here is a PM that was sent to me by a member. The memer agree to let me post it so perhaps Others could learn from it.

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Hi and thanks for the tips on the nic. I do have one question for you thou. If I get the 60mg 100% pg and want to get my desired 24mg I still need to add pg correct? I understand everything but this portion of it the ejuice me up calculator really messes me up. I always seem to get a negative number in the pg portion of it. Its like I dont have alot of room to add flavorings and such with 100% pg. I dont mind 60/40 mix at all I just thought it would be easier doing a 50/50. I was thinking 60mg would be more than enough to add flavors and such.Im thinking it might just be easier to buy 60mg 50/50 mix instead of a 100%pg mix. I was thinking it would be easier to get the 100% pg but I think I am wrong. Thanks for any insight you can give me. So I guess my question is would it be easier to get 50/50 60mg nic or 100%pg 60mg nic?

Here’s the Deal. And probably why your e-liquid Calculator is going Wacky…


To make a Nicotine Base a Lower Nicotine mg than it currently is, you have to add “Something” to it that has Less Nicotine or No Nicotine.

This “Something” can be VG or PG or Flavoring or Water or Vodka or Orange Juice or, well you get the idea. The concept is that the Total Nicotine per 1 ml is going to be less after you dilute it.

So to go from 60 mg/ml to 24 mg/ml (24/60 = .40 => .40 x 100 = 40%) you would need to mix 40% 60 mg/ml with 60% “Something” that contained No Nicotine.

Real World Mental Check. “If I mixed 60 mg/ml Half and Half with something with No Nicotine, I would cut the mg/ml in Half. I want to go a little more than 50% ie: 60 mg/ml ---> 24 mg/ml. So I would need more than Half. So 60% sounds about Right. Check”

But here lies the Problem. Not only do you want to be at 24 mg/ml for Nicotine, you also want to end up with 50%PG and 50%VG when you’re Done!

The Only way you can reach 50|50 with 60 mg/ml PG Nicotine Base is to mix One Half 60 mg/ml Nicotine Base with One Half Pure VG. But that would give me 30 mg/ml of Nicotine. Seems like we can’t have Both. At least not by using Only VG to Dilute the 60 mg/ml Nicotine Base.

So to solve this Little Problem it sounds like we need to Dilute our 60 mg/ml Nicotine Base with Both PG and VG.


Let’s think about it…

And to make it Simpler, let’s think about a Real World Example, Say making 10ml of 24 mg/ml 50%PG | 50% VG e-Liquid.

I know from the work I did above that 40% of the Mixture will be the 60 mg/ml PG Nicotine Base and 60% will be something else with No Nicotine in it. So let’s start by measure it the 60 mg/ml PG Nicotine Base and pouring it into a Mixing Bottle.

40% of 10ml = 4ml So we put 4ml of 60 mg/ml PG Nicotine base in a Bottle. Cool. What do we have?

We have 4ml of 60mg PG Based Nicotine that is 100% PG. What do we want to end up with? 24 mg/ml @ 50%PG and 50%VG

For our Example: Out of the 10 ml we want to end up with, 5ml will be PG and 5ml will be VG.

I know that I have to Add 6ml ( 60% of 10ml) of something with No Nicotine in it to lower the mg/ml and out of that 6ml I’m going to add. 1 ml of it should be Pure PG. (Because we have 4ml of PG in the 60 mg/ml and the Total should be 5ml of PG.)

So here we go, lets mix the 6 ml to add to the 4ml of 60 mg/ml to lower it to 24 mg/ml

1ml will have to be Pure PG to get me up to 5ml and the rest will be something else. Out of the 10 ml Total, how much should be VG? 50%. Ok… 50% of 10 ml is 5ml. So could I mix in 1 ml of PG and 5 ml of VG?

Lets see if it works if it works out…

1 ml of PG + 5 ml of Pure VG makes 6 ml. 6 ml is 60% of 10 ml. 60% is what we said we need to add. Check

4 ml of PG was in the 60 mg Nicotine Base + 1 ml of Pure PG was added. So the Total is 5 ml PG. 5ml of is 50% of 10 ml, so were at 50%PG. Check.

5ml of Pure VG was added and 5 ml is 50% of 10 ml, so were at 50%VG. Check

Our Mixture is 40% 60mg/ml PG Nicotine Base. 40% of 60 is 24, so were at 24 mg/ml. Check

I think we Got It ! We need BOTH PG and VG to make 24 mg/ml 50%PG | 50%VG

Cool.

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Your e-Liquid Calculator was Kacking Out I think because it was trying to come up with a way to make 24 mg/ml @ 50|50 and saw that it wasn’t possible to do with Only VG.

Sorry this was so long but I wanted you to see all the steps. Calculators are good but understanding the Math involved is Better.

You should never Blindly trust a Calculator. Programmers can make Coding Errors and of course, Users can put the Wrong Number in the Wrong Box.

Last thing to consider. Many, if not Most, Flavorings a PG Based. So when you go to add the “Something” that has no Nicotine in it to Dilute a Nicotine Base to a Lower Level, you can consider the Flavoring to be PG also.

Hope all this Helps.