Nic salt taste after a while

[Mordacai]

Well the Galaxies and Holic are somewhat similar @myasin, I'd say to switch them to a Galaxies MTL RDTA. As I have seen them to be cheaper and if you can get similar but cheaper, why not.

Build kits are okay, I think that Thunderhead Creations does some of the cheapest.

And resistance testers are okay, but with regulated mods they're not as important. As a regulated mod will read the resistance.

And I'm a Rayon user myself, I honestly can't say anything bad about it. There is a bit of break in taste to begin with, it is easier to use than Cotton in some respects as you can work it more without it falling to pieces.

And I definitely think that I'll have to pass on Chilli as a liquid additive, I can see issues with using it.

But as your a fruit fan @myasin. I'd say that Peppermint, Menthol and Koolada would be more fitting. Or spices such as Ginger and Cinnamon.

I have some of The Perfumers Apprentice Menthol flavour at one side and it's extreme, I also have some of their Cinnamon Red Hots at one side and that stuff is absolutely lethal.

And one of the main problems with changing up your setup to something more advanced, is trying to find what what will work well for you. And that's just the Atomisers, so it's trial and mostly error to find what you like.

I keep on mulling over the Atmizoo Creek rda, as every owner cannot say anything bad about it. And Atmizoo have made a name for themselves when it comes to flavour.

 

[Mordacai]

Oh, I forgot to mention that you could put some Vandy Vape MTL pre wound coils or wire spools in an order.

 

[myasin]

Oh, I forgot to mention that you could put some Vandy Vape MTL pre wound coils or wire spools in an order.

Thanks, there are a lot of options at $3.14 Authentic Vandy Vape Ni80 Superfine MTL Fused Clapton Pre-Coiled Wire - 10pcs/pack / 30*2/38 AWG / 0.25mm*2/0.1mm dia. / 0.7ohm at FastTech - Free Shipping and $4.73 Authentic Vandy Vape Ni80 Superfine MTL Clapton Heating Wire - 30/38 AWG / 0.25mm/0.1mm dia. / 6.95ohm/ft / 10ft at FastTech - Free Shipping. Which one should I get for MTL single coil RDA?

 

[myasin]

I keep on mulling over the Atmizoo Creek RDA, as every owner cannot say anything bad about it. And Atmizoo have made a name for themselves when it comes to flavour.

I looked for it and it is sold only in UK, I couldn't find a US seller. And it is €68.20. I wonder what make it so expensive while the others are 10-20 dollars.

 

[myasin]

But as your a fruit fan @myasin...

I actually tried many juice flavors claiming they taste like real cigarettes. 555, American Spirit, Red (Marlboro), Lights, etc... But they weren't even close. I would be very interested if some company got close to an analog taste.

 

[Katya]

I read way earlier in the forum that users were talking about crazy hot chili pepper extracts to give a throat hit.

No. Please don't do that. You may hurt your lungs. Even cinnamaldehyde (like in red hots flavor) and eugenol (clove) can be harmful. Be very careful what you add to your eliquids.

Some people add a touch of alcohol (like vodka) to increase TH, that should be safe in VERY SMALL amounts. Or follow @Mordacai 's advice and try some menthols or mints, but strong menthols are also on the list of risky flavovings. Or increase PG in your eliquids.

But don't experiment with spicy vapes--if it irritates your throat, it may harm your lungs.

 

[mcclintock]

If you want throat hit, use regular nic.

 

[Mordacai]

@myasin, no matter what you try. You'll never get a vape like an analog, but NET's (Naturally Extracted Tobaccos) get closer.

Also, here's the link for the Atmizoo Creek at their own webstore for reference.

You are being redirected...

The Atmizoo Creek RDA is expensive because it's a genuine high end, and their prices are somewhat more reasonable than others. So you're paying for intellectual property, engineering, materials and most importantly service.

As Atmizoo seems to have some of the best service and or support, they're that nice that they steam and ultrasonic clean their Atomisers before packaging and shipping so that you can use them as soon as you receive them.

And here's somewhere a little bit closer to you if you're interested in high end Atomisers, plus they also have more images which is very useful.

Vapes by Enushi vapour boutique is a Greater Toronto Area vape store that offers electronic cigarettes, e-cigs, e-liquid, hardware, as a harm reduction alternative to smoking traditional tobacco cigarettes

But my opinion is that if you can get a good clone that works the same for cheaper then why not, because first you need to find what you like. And that can get quite interesting.

And from what coils and wires you've listed @myasin, I'd say get both. As one is a single core Clapton and the other is a dual core Clapton, so they'll behave differently.

So you'll need to experiment with them to find out which one you may like more, this saying comes to mind.

You never know until it's too late, then it's too late.

And as @Katya has said, with the more extreme flavour or additives. Less is more.

I've been using Menthol in a couple of DIY mixes at 1% and that's been quite nice, but I could go up a little bit more.

So a good way to find out how much is to use small 10ml bottles and just mix the one flavour or additive to just plain base (no Nicotine), as base is cheap and Nicotine is not. But I'm thinking that you won't get to more than 5%, 2-3% is probably more realistic and useable.

But with Fruits I'd say 1% each of Koolada, Peppermint and Menthol can be quite nice. As with some it can really add to the flavour and turn things from meh into that's more like it.

And as for Cinnamon Red Hots flavour, I think that 2-3% would really be pushing the envelope. It's truly lethal in the wrong or may I say the right hands, as it could be a great way of smiting ones enemies.

But increasing Freebase Nicotine is of course another great way of increasing throat hit and then you can add Salt Nicotine to reach the Nicotine level that works for you, without it becoming overly harsh.

 

[myasin]

The Atmizoo Creek RDA is expensive because it's a genuine high end, and their prices are somewhat more reasonable than others. So you're paying for intellectual property, engineering, materials and most importantly service.

I will definitely try it after seeing if I like the re-building thing.

Vapes by Enushi vapour boutique is a Greater Toronto Area vape store that offers electronic cigarettes, e-cigs, e-liquid, hardware, as a harm reduction alternative to smoking traditional tobacco cigarettes

And from what coils and wires you've listed @myasin, I'd say get both. As one is a single core Clapton and the other is a dual core Clapton, so they'll behave differently.

So you'll need to experiment with them to find out which one you may like more, this saying comes to mind.

You never know until it's too late, then it's too late.

Actually I was lost in the materials and gauges. I am considering getting both per your advice but can you recommend something in the product page. There are like 20 different options in each link.

So a good way to find out how much is to use small 10ml bottles and just mix the one flavour or additive to just plain base (no Nicotine), as base is cheap and Nicotine is not...
...But increasing Freebase Nicotine is of course another great way of increasing throat hit and then you can add Salt Nicotine to reach the Nicotine level that works for you, without it becoming overly harsh.

Excellent ideas. Thanks.

PS. Have you ever considered a blog. You express things not only very clear and informative but also in a very fun way. If you haven't, please do and share the link with us. You can just put together your posts in this forum and create very good posts

 

[UncLeJunkLe]

If you want throat hit, use regular nic.

I agree. I have never tried salts but I have heard many say salts can be a lot smoother than regular nic freebase. Best to try freebase before resorting to adding this and that to your liquid to get TH.

 

[Mordacai]

Exactly @UncleJunkle, Freebase and PG first before anything else.

And with coils or wires @myasin, you just need to try various ones till you find what you like in what atomiser. So it's a fair amount of trial and error, mostly error though if you're like me.

And with wire gauges, as the number increases the thickness or diameter decreases. But there is a limit where it becomes unusable because it's too thin, then it's like working with soggy angel hair pasta and it can slip from under the screws when you try and position the coil or even worse it can snap. Which is not fun.

And me, blog. Never, or at least not yet. But I recon that folks would deffinitely get a good laugh from my escapades, or at least I'd hope they would.

All I try and do is to let folks know what's available out there and try to find them something fitting, as I have tried to find out what I needed without adult supervision.

 

[Katya]

I actually tried many juice flavors claiming they taste like real cigarettes. 555, American Spirit, Red (Marlboro), Lights, etc... But they weren't even close. I would be very interested if some company got close to an analog taste.

No cigarette "flavoring" will ever taste like a smoke from a real burning tobacco. No matter what you try, if there's no combustion, the best you can get is taste of raw tobacco--like a freshly-opened pack of cigs smells like.

 

[mcclintock]

^^-- Yeah the flavor can be far worse than smoking or far better, but never the same. But then, that first drag on a cig that's 95% plant aroma is the only part that's really good. The best vapes make smoking seem shabby. Reminds me of two different still-smokers I know that said they would switch if it was exactly the same, only to say they don't actually like the flavor of cigs 5 minutes later.

For MTL or further dilution, best I've found is the Goodejuice NETs (Naturally extracted from real tobacco). Some other NETs are startlingly realistic but not necessarily as enjoyable. For more airy vapes, DL or mixed technique, the most similar experience is low flavored using NET/TA hybrids or some flavors, mostly DIY juices, there's a few good tobacco juices but very rare. But I also think fruits and some creamy flavors can be very similar to the smoking experience. The essential thing is the flavor is not in your face, it's more a hint with an edge. Tobacco flavors can also add more throat hit and bite to other flavors.