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Hey all!! hows it going? Wanted to say hello and introduce myself and give some honest background on why I'm here on this site, in hopes of receiving honest feedback.

I have never tried vapor of any kind. By the time vapor was becoming popular a few years back, I had already kicked the cigarette addiction by method of the patch, and fake cigs (cut straws and cinnamon sticks for the hand to mouth mind screw). I was a smoker from age 16-33. I have been nicotine free for almost 4 years. I haven't had so much as a puff of cigarette smoke or vapor of any kind since I quit.

Here is the twist. I do still smoke some medical stuff, on occasion, for medical reasons. I would like to stop that all together also along with the cigarettes, and really get my lungs and over all health at 100%..... because I have found other ways of treating my medical situation (cluster headaches / str8 oxygen). To add, I have pretty serious stomach issues/sensitivities (gal bladder removal / IBS).

really long story short...I have no plans of using vapor with nicotine. My idea, is to use vapor as a tool to replicate a big giant cloud hits.

I have done quite a bit of research and decided I would at least give vaping a try.
In all my research I have found that I should probably use a juice heavy with VG, to avoid PG problems with my already sensitive gut, and would also produce similar .... hit type clouds.

Here is where my research led me, and this is what I bought for my first set up:
Eleaf Istick 100w, Eleaf Ijust2 tank, an extra 5 pack of ni200 0.15ohm coils, and a few LG HG2 18650 3000 mAh 20-35Amp peak batteries......Am I on the right track? Is this a solid plan?

Cheers!!
 
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Hi and welcome. You're on the right track close enough. I would probably try a dripper for big cloud, something like a Dark Horse or Royal Hunter or a Fishbone. I don't know how much cloud you're going to get out of that tank, but a 100 watt mod will do for some serious cloudage. Having said all that, it is strictly against the rules here to talk abouot "other stuff" and I suggest you edit your post to remove those references before you get modded.
 

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You might consider the Smok TFV4 tank. It has around a dozen different factory coils.. some for massive clouds. I would also suggest getting a separate battery charger like the Nitecore or Xtar brands for charging the batteries. I got the LG's and a Nitecore at LiionWholesale at a good price. I also recommend the Wismec Reuleaux RX 200 ($45) as a great ergonomic mod.
 
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Hi and welcome. You're on the right track close enough. I would probably try a dripper for big cloud, something like a Dark Horse or Royal Hunter or a Fishbone. I don't know how much cloud you're going to get out of that tank, but a 100 watt mod will do for some serious cloudage. Having said all that, it is strictly against the rules here to talk abouot "other stuff" and I suggest you edit your post to remove those references before you get modded.

Thanks for the reply and the heads up.

Edited best I could without confusing people about my reason for being here. If that is an issue in these parts, probably not the forum I want to be part of I guess....thanks for letting me know how it works around here. I must have missed the "rules" thread....the prompt to post here was immediate, so I did.
 
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You might consider the Smok TFV4 tank. It has around a dozen different factory coils.. some for massive clouds. I would also suggest getting a separate battery charger like the Nitecore or Xtar brands for charging the batteries. I got the LG's and a Nitecore at LiionWholesale at a good price. I also recommend the Wismec Reuleaux RX 200 ($45) as a great ergonomic mod.

Thanks for the reply and suggestion!! I'm also into flashlights and lasers so I have some familiarity with batteries, and already have a charger for my 18650's I use for those. This helped me decide on a multi 18650 mod, already having some gear
 

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Thanks for the reply and suggestion!! I'm also into flashlights and lasers so I have some familiarity with batteries, and already have a charger for my 18650's I use for those. This helped me decide on a multi 18650 mod, already having some gear
I recently reached Zero nicotine in my vape and I still find it relaxing and calming to me. Good luck in your journey.
 
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Be sure to use IMR BATTERIES..

Would you advise against using the LG's I ordered?

This is from another forun in regard to IMR and how I understand it.....

I have seen a lot of threads recently on "IMR" lithium-ion cells. DFiorentino and myself have posted some test results recently (seen here and here, respectively). I also have seen a lot of comments recently that indicate a general misconception of what IMR cells actually are, especially with respect to rate capability and safety. The purpose of this thread is to clarify the issues surrounding the "IMR" designation for lithium-ion cells. I will try to keep the techno-jargin to a minimum, but please feel free to ask clarification questions if I lose you.

Unlike most battery chemistries whose name defines the chemistry of the anode and cathode, the term "lithium-ion" refers to an ever growing class of cell chemistries that utilize different materials to host lithium-ions in the charged and discharged state of the cell. Most lithium-ion cells use graphite or hard carbon as the negative electrode host material (typically referred to as the anode), but the selection of the positive electrode material (typically referred to as the cathode) is much more varied. The following three-letter designations for lithium-ion cell denote what cathode material is used in the cell:

ICR = LiCoO2 (also called LCO)
IMR = LiMn2O4 (also called LMO)
IFR = LiFePO4 (also called LFP)

If you take away one thing from this thread, remember this: The term "IMR" simply indicates that LiMn2O4 is a major component of the cathode. It does not necessarily indicate that a cell has exceptional rate capability or improved safety characteristics, properties often incorrectly associated with cells with the IMR designation.

You can stop reading now, but if you want that statement explained, please read on.

The selection of a particular cathode material generally has implications for the performance (capacity, energy density, rate capability, etc...), reliability (cycle life, calendar life) and safety characteristics. The impact of LiMn2O4 on these properties is discussed below.

Performance

The crystal structure of LiMn2O4 has three-dimensional tunnels that enable rapid diffusion of Li+ through LiMn2O4 particles, and therefore lithium-ion cells made with this material can have better theoretical drain rate capability. Conventional lithium-ion cells use LiCoO2 or variations of that material. Cells with LiCoO2 cathodes are typically designated with the term "ICR". The LiCoO2 type materials have a layered crystal structure that only enables 2D diffusion within the layers, so the overall Li+ diffusion rate is slower. Interestingly, LiFePO4, which is commonly used in high rate cells (think A123), has 1D diffusion of Li+ and an overall low diffusion rate. The only way to make LiFePO4 work is to make the particles very small (i.e. "nano") to reduce the distance that Li+ needs to diffuse. "Why not just make LiCoO2 or LiMn2O4 nano size to get even better rate capability?" I hear you ask. The only reason nano LiFePO4 works is that this material has a lower oxidizing potential (which is why the cell voltage is lower) and therefore it does not chemically react with the electrolyte. LiCoO2 and LiMn2O4 actually oxidize the electrolyte slowly with use, so using a nano-particulate cathode with these materials would greatly accelerate aging due to the higher surface area of the cathode, and the cells would have terrible cycle life.

Now back to LiMn2O4. This material has a lower crystalline density and therefore a lower inherent capacity (mAh/ml) than LiCoO2. If you do a direct replacement of LiCoO2 with LiMn2O4, the capacity of the cell will be reduced by ~15%. But here is the interesting thing: simply doing a direct replacement with LiMn2O4 will not significantly increase the rate capability of a cell. In order to get a real increase in rate capability, you need to design a cell with higher electrode surface area and thinner electrodes because Li+ diffusion in the cathode particles is not the only bottleneck to getting current out of the cell. Using thinner electrodes further reduces the capacity of the cell because you will have a higher fraction of "inert" materials like the separator and current collector. This is why IMR cells typically have ~40% lower capacity than their ICR cousins.

Safety and Reliability

An additional property of LiMn2O4 is that it cannot be overcharged. When a "true" (and I will explain why I put that in quotes later) IMR cell is charged beyond ~4.25 V, no additional capacity will go into the cell. The voltage will simply spike. This is exactly the same case for LiFePO4 cells. Cells that use LiCoO2 and its layered-metal oxide cousins can be overcharged, leading to significant safety issues when these cells are charged above their specified voltages. Cells with LiMn2O4 and LiFePO4 cathodes can be damaged by overcharging (oxidation of the electrolyte leads to increased internal resistance, loss of capacity and shorter cycle life), but overcharging to higher voltage does not make them less safe. This inability to overcharge, combined with the lower total energy density, is why lithium-ion cells with LiMn2O4 and LiFePO4 are generally considered to be "safer".

The last property of LiMn2O4 that I will mention is that in its pure form it tends to have very poor cycle life. There has been a tremendous amount of research that has gone into improving the stability of LiMn2O4 to improve the cycle life of IMR cells, and this has produced cells with reasonably good long term performance. However, the easiest way to get great cycle life out of LiMn2O4 is to blend it with a separate cathode material that contains nickel. This includes the layered cathode materials Li(Nix,Cox,Mnx)O2 (aka NCM or 333), Li(NixCoyAlz)O2 (aka NCA) and Li(NixCoy)O2 (aka NCO). I won't bore you with the details, but it turns out that the oxides containing nickel acts to change the local chemistry around the LiMn2O4 particles and helps to improve stability.

The end result is that most cells called "IMR" actually have a significant fraction of nickel-containing layered metal oxide as a co-cathode. This means that these cells can in fact be overcharged, thus minimizing the perceived safety advantage of the cell.

Summary

Not all IMR cells are created equal. One cannot and should not make generalized statements about their performance, reliability or safety characteristics.

I hope this helps dispel some of the mystery surrounding these cells.
 

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Hello and welcome to the forum @NicotineFree. Glad to have you here!:)
Here is where my research led me, and this is what I bought for my first set up:
Eleaf Istick 100w, Eleaf Ijust2 tank, an extra 5 pack of ni200 0.15ohm coils, and a few LG HG2 18650 3000 mAh 20-35Amp peak batteries......Am I on the right track? Is this a solid plan?
Everything is good EXCEPT for the Ni-200 coils. Nickel (and titanium) coils can only be used with a mod that offers temperature control.
 
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Here is where my research led me, and this is what I bought for my first set up:
Eleaf Istick 100w, Eleaf Ijust2 tank, an extra 5 pack of ni200 0.15ohm coils, and a few LG HG2 18650 3000 mAh 20-35Amp peak batteries......Am I on the right track? Is this a solid plan?

Yes. If you want to 'do clouds' that's going to do it.
Maybe an insane RDA would complement all that. :)
 

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Hello and welcome to the forum @NicotineFree. Glad to have you here!:)

Everything is good EXCEPT for the Ni-200 coils. Nickel (and titanium) coils can only be used with a mod that offers temperature control.

Oh wow ok, thanks for the tip. The ijust 2 I believe is a "TC" tank does that matter?

Or should I be using the Kanthal coils?
 
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If you are looking for cloud but don't want to drip with a RDA....I would get the tfv4 tank. It chucks huge clouds and you don't have to drip or build coils. The prebuilt coils are capable of making HUGE clouds.......I hope this helps ya an welcome to the forum.

Yeah this helps a lot, I was getting overwhelmed with tank options. I had my eye on the aspire Triton2 also. Glad you mentioned the tfv4, that's exactly what I'm looking for.
 

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Oh wow ok, thanks for the tip. The ijust 2 I believe is a "TC" tank does that matter?

Or should I be using the Kanthal coils?
eLeaf calling it a TC tank is somewhat confusing. Tanks are not "temperature control". It's the "chip" in the mod that determines if a mod is capable of "temperature control".

You can use kanthal coils in your iJust and use it on your iStick 100 watt mod.
 
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eLeaf calling it a TC tank is somewhat confusing. Tanks are not "temperature control". It's the "chip" in the mod that determines if a mod is capable of "temperature control".

You can use kanthal coils in your iJust and use it on your iStick 100 watt mod.

Oh I see, that must be what confused me I guess. I'll see if they can swap them out, I don't think they shipped yet.
 
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Would you advise against using the LG's I ordered?

This is from another forun in regard to IMR and how I understand it.....

I have seen a lot of threads recently on "IMR" lithium-ion cells. DFiorentino and myself have posted some test results recently (seen here and here, respectively). I also have seen a lot of comments recently that indicate a general misconception of what IMR cells actually are, especially with respect to rate capability and safety. The purpose of this thread is to clarify the issues surrounding the "IMR" designation for lithium-ion cells. I will try to keep the techno-jargin to a minimum, but please feel free to ask clarification questions if I lose you.

Unlike most battery chemistries whose name defines the chemistry of the anode and cathode, the term "lithium-ion" refers to an ever growing class of cell chemistries that utilize different materials to host lithium-ions in the charged and discharged state of the cell. Most lithium-ion cells use graphite or hard carbon as the negative electrode host material (typically referred to as the anode), but the selection of the positive electrode material (typically referred to as the cathode) is much more varied. The following three-letter designations for lithium-ion cell denote what cathode material is used in the cell:

ICR = LiCoO2 (also called LCO)
IMR = LiMn2O4 (also called LMO)
IFR = LiFePO4 (also called LFP)

If you take away one thing from this thread, remember this: The term "IMR" simply indicates that LiMn2O4 is a major component of the cathode. It does not necessarily indicate that a cell has exceptional rate capability or improved safety characteristics, properties often incorrectly associated with cells with the IMR designation.

You can stop reading now, but if you want that statement explained, please read on.

The selection of a particular cathode material generally has implications for the performance (capacity, energy density, rate capability, etc...), reliability (cycle life, calendar life) and safety characteristics. The impact of LiMn2O4 on these properties is discussed below.

Performance

The crystal structure of LiMn2O4 has three-dimensional tunnels that enable rapid diffusion of Li+ through LiMn2O4 particles, and therefore lithium-ion cells made with this material can have better theoretical drain rate capability. Conventional lithium-ion cells use LiCoO2 or variations of that material. Cells with LiCoO2 cathodes are typically designated with the term "ICR". The LiCoO2 type materials have a layered crystal structure that only enables 2D diffusion within the layers, so the overall Li+ diffusion rate is slower. Interestingly, LiFePO4, which is commonly used in high rate cells (think A123), has 1D diffusion of Li+ and an overall low diffusion rate. The only way to make LiFePO4 work is to make the particles very small (i.e. "nano") to reduce the distance that Li+ needs to diffuse. "Why not just make LiCoO2 or LiMn2O4 nano size to get even better rate capability?" I hear you ask. The only reason nano LiFePO4 works is that this material has a lower oxidizing potential (which is why the cell voltage is lower) and therefore it does not chemically react with the electrolyte. LiCoO2 and LiMn2O4 actually oxidize the electrolyte slowly with use, so using a nano-particulate cathode with these materials would greatly accelerate aging due to the higher surface area of the cathode, and the cells would have terrible cycle life.

Now back to LiMn2O4. This material has a lower crystalline density and therefore a lower inherent capacity (mAh/ml) than LiCoO2. If you do a direct replacement of LiCoO2 with LiMn2O4, the capacity of the cell will be reduced by ~15%. But here is the interesting thing: simply doing a direct replacement with LiMn2O4 will not significantly increase the rate capability of a cell. In order to get a real increase in rate capability, you need to design a cell with higher electrode surface area and thinner electrodes because Li+ diffusion in the cathode particles is not the only bottleneck to getting current out of the cell. Using thinner electrodes further reduces the capacity of the cell because you will have a higher fraction of "inert" materials like the separator and current collector. This is why IMR cells typically have ~40% lower capacity than their ICR cousins.

Safety and Reliability

An additional property of LiMn2O4 is that it cannot be overcharged. When a "true" (and I will explain why I put that in quotes later) IMR cell is charged beyond ~4.25 V, no additional capacity will go into the cell. The voltage will simply spike. This is exactly the same case for LiFePO4 cells. Cells that use LiCoO2 and its layered-metal oxide cousins can be overcharged, leading to significant safety issues when these cells are charged above their specified voltages. Cells with LiMn2O4 and LiFePO4 cathodes can be damaged by overcharging (oxidation of the electrolyte leads to increased internal resistance, loss of capacity and shorter cycle life), but overcharging to higher voltage does not make them less safe. This inability to overcharge, combined with the lower total energy density, is why lithium-ion cells with LiMn2O4 and LiFePO4 are generally considered to be "safer".

The last property of LiMn2O4 that I will mention is that in its pure form it tends to have very poor cycle life. There has been a tremendous amount of research that has gone into improving the stability of LiMn2O4 to improve the cycle life of IMR cells, and this has produced cells with reasonably good long term performance. However, the easiest way to get great cycle life out of LiMn2O4 is to blend it with a separate cathode material that contains nickel. This includes the layered cathode materials Li(Nix,Cox,Mnx)O2 (aka NCM or 333), Li(NixCoyAlz)O2 (aka NCA) and Li(NixCoy)O2 (aka NCO). I won't bore you with the details, but it turns out that the oxides containing nickel acts to change the local chemistry around the LiMn2O4 particles and helps to improve stability.

The end result is that most cells called "IMR" actually have a significant fraction of nickel-containing layered metal oxide as a co-cathode. This means that these cells can in fact be overcharged, thus minimizing the perceived safety advantage of the cell.

Summary

Not all IMR cells are created equal. One cannot and should not make generalized statements about their performance, reliability or safety characteristics.

I hope this helps dispel some of the mystery surrounding these cells.
I'm flattered at your informed response, I'll continue to use sony & samsung IMR cells. Mysteries & all..
 
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I use Samsung 25r... Also just so you know the tfv4 kit comes with 2 prebuilt coils, a rba and a spare glass.the whole kit cost $50 at my local vape shop. I think ya can get em for about $35-$40 on the line...and always remember kanthal for watts and nichrome for temp control.....glad we could be of help to you.
 
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