nichrome or kanthal?

[Scotticus93]

I wick my N80 exclusively with Rayon (Sally's cellucotton) and have no complaints at all. I did use cotton (sally's cellucotton--100% cotton version) back about 6 months ago and it was also fine.

That's a misnomer. Cellucotton is the same thing as rayon is it not?

 

[Sgt.Rock]

That's a misnomer. Cellucotton is the same thing as rayon is it not?

Nope.

I have two boxes here...both labeled "Graham Cellucotton"

Box one is a 40 footer (product number 42251)---and is also labeled 100% Cotton
Box two is a 500 footer (product number 44060) and is labeled 100% Rayon

 

[AzPlumber]

That's a misnomer. Cellucotton is the same thing as rayon is it not?

Cellucotton is a reg. trademark and as the good Sgt. pointed out it comes in cotton or rayon.

 

[Boden]

Nope.

I have two boxes here...both labeled "Graham Cellucotton"

Box one is a 40 footer (product number 42251)---and is also labeled 100% Cotton
Box two is a 500 footer (product number 44060) and is labeled 100% Rayon

This is the only accurate post in this whole thread...

Brb

 

[Boden]

I used Kanthal for about a year before switching to Nichrome...and I've stayed "switched" ever since.

For me, the big reasons are these:

Nichrome, having lower resistance, allows larger coils at a given resistance. For example, a 6 wrap 24 ga Kanthal coil vs an 8 wrap Ni80 24 ga measure approximately the same ohms.
Nichrome heats faster--especially noticeable with fatter wires and twisted coils.

Pick up a spool of Nichrome 80 from Temco and check it out...

Low coil mass not material is what causes one coil to heat faster than another at the same wattage.

Being I don't dry fire Ni200 for my TC builds, between Kanthal and Nichrome, the Nichrome fires the quickest.

See above

Really?? I'm surprised to hear that, everyone I've spoken to on nichrome swears by it and saids it produces a much cleaner and clearer flavor from their liquids. What version of nichrome were you sing, was it n80?
My only concern/reservation in regards to nichrome centers around the fact that it contains a lot of nickel and given the recent information spreading about how nickel could be unsafe, well you can see why I'd be concerned...

NiCr is an alloy, it has different properties than Ni by itself.

Also, what kind of wicking are you using? I've heard nichrome produces a weird taste when utilizing anything other than organic/Japanese cotton to wick it...

Ni80 20awg on a cloud competition 0.16 quad coil in a Patriot RDA. Wicking was organic cotton, all I mainly use for my wicking due to ease of getting ahold of, flavor, and ease to build with. Not the only device that had an off metallic taste to it, the Innokin iClear30 and iClear16 tanks that came with my SVD's and MVP's had the same distinct taste come out at the back end tone of any flavored liquid I was using at the time, not the nickel I was tasting I learned after using Ni200 in one of my subtanks, believe it was the chromium.

There in too is another reason nickel builds don't bother me as chromium is a bit more toxic than nickel to an extent I have heard. With my palette its all a matter of getting used to tones to not pay attention to them, had to do it with almost everything I've vaped with, silica, ekowool, SS mesh and SS cable in genesis tanks, kanthal, nickel, cotton, organic cotton, rayon, bamboo, hemp wicking, etc, just can't get over the taste of Nichrome it seems, could even be due to reaction with to the few silver fillings in teeth I still have. Took me almost 6months getting used to metal drip tips is how sensitive the metallic tones are to me which is surprising given I smoked for the better part of 25years to learn just how sensitive my taste was to even such minor tones within a month of fully transitioning to vaping from smoking to dual using to vaping. Doesn't help I also have OCD, and since started vaping, I like to control just how much I am taking into my body from types of foods to types of flavors I vape on, etc, I've become mildly eccentric in my health habits you could say.

Not trying to scare anybody off from using Nichrome, just giving my experiences thus far

Cr is not more toxic than Ni. Neither are toxic. CrVI is toxic but you can't make it with Vape gear. NiO is a regeneration inhibiter.

What's wrong with nickel again. I'm thinking of picking up nichrome. I've already given up on ni200. Just don't like working with that flimsy wire. Been using kanthal. My vape shop guy said nichrome pops when you dry fire and stuff flies off. But I read on here that's just the weld between the nickel and chromium breaking

It's the oxide layer scaling off

 

[disallowedword]

Was using Nichrome in 2010 along with everyone else, came back to vaping this spring and felt like I was going backwards using kanthal, but thats what I will use till I run out,lol. Can't tell any difference between the two!
I do like cotton wicking, and can notice better flavor, IMO not because the cotton is organic but because it simply delivers more juice than some of the older wicking materials.

 

[Scotticus93]

So its still the pepsi or coke question then. Needless to say I will eventually pick up some nichrome to compare the two. I need to get ti for tc too. Screw ni200

 

[Ou2mame]

I've tried nichrome, but prefer kanthal. It's just a preference thing. I usually build 0.7 coils with 24g kanthal. 6 wraps, or 28g twisted for my rdas. As for wicking, Japanese cotton wicks the best. Cellucotton, for me, it took a while to get used to the taste. It almost has a wood taste, for me anyways. It's not bad. But I taste it.

 

[Wolfenstark]

Currently using Nichrome 80 with the mech Reo due to being able to get an extra wrap per coil at the same resistance.

 

[sahsah]

What's wrong with nickel again. I'm thinking of picking up nichrome. I've already given up on ni200. Just don't like working with that flimsy wire. Been using kanthal. My vape shop guy said nichrome pops when you dry fire and stuff flies off. But I read on here that's just the weld between the nickel and chromium breaking

It's a pretty involved topic, too long to convey in a forum post. Just search nickel health concerns. There will be tons of posts about it. Honestly, it's really something id strongly urge you to do your due diligence on researching before just jumping into tf with some nickel coils...

 

[Alien Traveler]

It's a pretty involved topic, too long to convey in a forum post. Just search nickel health concerns. There will be tons of posts about it. Honestly, it's really something id strongly urge you to do your due diligence on researching before just jumping into tf with some nickel coils...

I do not see a single trustful source on Ni health problems.

 

[Scotticus93]

It's a pretty involved topic, too long to convey in a forum post. Just search nickel health concerns. There will be tons of posts about it. Honestly, it's really something id strongly urge you to do your due diligence on researching before just jumping into tf with some nickel coils...

Honestly its still better than smoking but as I said I'm pretty done using nickel for now anyway.

 

[zoiDman]

as the title says

Really Doesn't Matter what I Like. Because what I like Might Not be what You Like.

But, that said. I like NiChrome 80 over any Kanthal hands down.

 

[Bunnykiller]

only time I used Nichrome was as an ignitor for Estes Rocket motors....

 

[zoiDman]

only time I used Nichrome was as an ignitor for Estes Rocket motors....

Dang... That Is Rocket Science.

 

[sahsah]

It's a pretty involved topic, too long to convey in a forum post. Just search nickel health concerns. There will be tons of posts about it. Honestly, it's really something id strongly urge you to do your due diligence on researching before just jumping into tf with some nickel coils...

I do not see a single trustful source on Ni health problems.

Grimgreen talks about it in his vlog a few weeks ago...
I dunno, what are you calling a "trustful source"? Because you're definitely not going to find CNN talking about it lol
If you wanna do tc why not just use titanium anyway? It's way easier to build with, vapes better and doesn't bring any of the concerns that come along with nickel...

 

[sahsah]

Honestly its still better than smoking but as I said I'm pretty done using nickel for now anyway.

Well, ya...in all likelihood it probably is better than smoking, but that's not really a lofty threshold to exceed, almost everything falls under that classification. I'd hope we would aspire for a bit better than "hey it's not as bad as that .... that kills tens of millions of people" as our measuring stick for what's acceptable...

 

[sahsah]

On a side note (which in actuality is the threads topic lol), I just picked up some 26 awg nichrome. Finally found a vape shop that carries it and it's super cheap for some reason, guess it wasn't selling well. It's still packaged and it's made by UD so I know it's not some weird junk. Got 30 feet for $5
Really curious to try it out finally and see what all the hype is about

 

[Scotticus93]

On a side note (which in actuality is the threads topic lol), I just picked up some 26 awg nichrome. Finally found a cape shop that carries it and it's super cheap for some reason, guess it wasn't selling well. It's still packaged and it's made by UD so I know it's not some weird junk. Got 30 feet for $5
Really curious to try it out finally and see what all the hype is about

You can get like 100 feet for like 8 bucks on eBay. Not a bad price for a shop tho. Let us know what you think. I'll probably be buying nichrome in the not so distant future

 

[sahsah]

You can get like 100 feet for like 8 bucks on eBay. Not a bad price for a shop tho. Let us know what you think. I'll probably be buying nichrome in the not so distant future

I'm aware...I meant a good deal for buying wire in a b&m in Los Angeles, which it definitely is. Normally a thirty foot spool is like $22-25 in a b&m it's crazy