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nicnik's Minnesota tax rant devoid of facts

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  1. nicnik

    nicnik Ultra Member ECF Veteran

    Apr 20, 2015
    Illinois, USA
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  2. Nermal

    Nermal Ultra Member ECF Veteran

    Jun 8, 2013
    Farmington, NM USA

    • Loverly. Lower tax on cigarettes. Lower tax on crap sold by Big Tobacco, but not other e - cig products? May I assume some possibility of a bias?
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  3. skoony

    skoony Vaping Master ECF Veteran

    Jul 31, 2013
    saint paul,mn,usa
    I live in Minnesota. Cigarette sales are decreasing. They want to eliminate
    the annual increase not,reduce the current rate.
    The issue with e-cigarettes is a little more convoluted. They are not
    lowering the tax rate they are closing a loophole in the 2009 95%
    wholesale tax on e-cigarettes. This law was specifically referring to
    cigalikes and pre-filled carto's. These were to my knowledge the
    only type of products actually being sold in Minnesota face to face
    at the time. The legislator in their infinite wisdom slapped the tax
    on the cigarette wholesalers in Minnesota. The was one slight problem. The
    cigarette wholesalers were not selling the product. Independent
    distributors or online vendors were. Not a penny was ever collected.
    Today Minnesota tobacco wholesalers still do not sell e-cigarette products.
    BT's e-cigs are sold independently of the wholesalers.
    I believe the 30% tax will address all the e-cigarette products and
    be structured in a way to actually collect the money. I will be
    looking at the details this week.
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  4. nicnik

    nicnik Ultra Member ECF Veteran

    Apr 20, 2015
    Illinois, USA
    Good. My post didn't fool you.

    I think you got it right, that they've got it so wrong.
  5. skoony

    skoony Vaping Master ECF Veteran

    Jul 31, 2013
    saint paul,mn,usa
    @nicnik I kind of forgot about this.
    I did a little snooping and found this. If I am reading this right it
    looks like we dodged a bullet thanks to our governor, Mark Dayton.
    HF 848 Status in the House for the 89th Legislature (2015 - 2016)

    The odd thing is,there was no hew and cry from the usual suspects as
    the bills seemed to have bipartisan support. The Governor is a Uber Liberal
    in every negative sense of the word. He is also known to have unmentioned
    health conditions and some suspect mental conditions. I do not know if he
    is a smoker as the subject never has come up. Even so I wouldn't be
    surprised if was was a closet vaper. It's the only thing that would make sense.
    We don't call him "Governor Goofy" for nothing. (not the original Gov. Goofy)
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  6. Bill Godshall

    Bill Godshall Executive Director
    Smokefree Pennsylvania
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    Apr 2, 2009
    The Minnesota anti-tobacco and anti-vaping groups lobbied to defeat RJ Reynolds sponsored bills (this year and last year) that would have dramatically increased taxes on e-liquid, while sharply reducing the tax on Reynold's Vuse and other cigalikes.

    Nothing like convincing anti-vaping groups to defeat legislation that would dramatically increase taxes on e-liquid.
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  7. skoony

    skoony Vaping Master ECF Veteran

    Jul 31, 2013
    saint paul,mn,usa
    @Bill Godshall whats really odd is the total lack of local coverage.
    Last year there were rumors of the e-cig proponents teeming up with the medical
    other stuff groups and going to bat for each other. The gist being it would be
    very awkward for the legislator to allow the one while grinding the other into
    dust. I have wondered why this hasn't occurred in other even more liberal
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