This is spot on with the postings.I think this needs to be said....if not then I am sure a mod will let me know.
I have gone back through all the threads you have started and have come to the conclusion that your goal for this forum is to stir the pot. You have been here long enough to know that nicotine is the most benign ingredient in smokes and ALL smokeless products. If you really and truly haven't accepted or can't accept that fact yet then I can only assume that you will never accept it.
I have also come to the conclusion that you WANT to find something deadly with vaping. You constantly dig up things that have been talked to death but it seems to me that you just read the headlines and never the rebuttal. You come in and start a thread such as this and I wonder if you ever even come back to read the answers to your questions. If that is the case then I have just wasted my time
If I am way off base and it is just in your nature to worry yourself to death then I feel sorry for you. That can't be a comfortable way to be.
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Chasing a non existent tail, smoke and mirrors is all they have.
They're covering up what our western life style and diet does to us to protect those that fund the govt and media.
Meanwhile, civilizations across the globe adopt our western diet and within just a few short years their health as a community starts fading at a dramatic pace.
And people across the globe are posting on their youtube channels their "ailments" they've "cured" with Gerson therapy, fully raw diets, paleo diets, ketogenic diets, elimination diets, just eliminating wheat and/or grains, cutting sugars and preservatives, eliminating soda, etc., etc.
I don't doubt that any small, prolonged irritation could result in cancer in a society that's vastly over fed yet grossly malnourished and dehydrated constantly.
Matter of fact, I'd wager on it.
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Maybe Mom locked the computer..I think this needs to be said....if not then I am sure a mod will let me know.
I have gone back through all the threads you have started and have come to the conclusion that your goal for this forum is to stir the pot. You have been here long enough to know that nicotine is the most benign ingredient in smokes and ALL smokeless products. If you really and truly haven't accepted or can't accept that fact yet then I can only assume that you will never accept it.
I have also come to the conclusion that you WANT to find something deadly with vaping. You constantly dig up things that have been talked to death but it seems to me that you just read the headlines and never the rebuttal. You come in and start a thread such as this and I wonder if you ever even come back to read the answers to your questions. If that is the case then I have just wasted my time
If I am way off base and it is just in your nature to worry yourself to death then I feel sorry for you. That can't be a comfortable way to be.
Uhh the rest of the bad stuff in tobacco?
Fire curing is where the carcinogens enter the picture. Just compare oral cancer caused by American dipping snuff and Swedish Snuss.
There is lots of studies out there on smokeless tobacco (both american style dip and chew, and Swedish snus) and the general consensus by unbiased researchers is that smokeless tobacco is about 99% less harmful then cigarettes, plus or minus 1%. The three major risk factors for oral cancer are smoking, excessive alcohol, and HPV. Smokeless tobacco doesn't even make it on the list of risk factors.
The reason it was suspected that vaping could be a low risk alternative to smoking when vaping first showed up is because it was already known that without combustion Nicotine (and tobacco) has very little risk. It is the smoke that kills, not nicotine and not tobacco.
There are decades of studies on Swedish snus and they have not been able to find any connection to oral cancer. Snus users have essentially the same health outcomes as none tobacco users. The is little to no difference in risk from dip and snus. Both have vanishingly low risk.
It is a myth that smokeless tobacco is a major (or even minor) risk factor for oral cancer. Smokeless tobacco has essentially the same low risk factor as we hope vaping has. It unfortunate that the same people who fight tooth and nail to dispel the lies about vaping, are all to willing to spread lies about other low risk alternatives to smoking.
It is pretty close, and if you look at the actually studies (as opposed to going along with the common myths that are coming out from the same people who are demonizing vaping) what is found is that the risk factors between dip and snus are essentially the same, meaning little to none.
I tried Marlboro Snus for a while when I was trying to quit but it said right on the package how unsafe they were and to me it just was not a good alternative to smoking. I wish I could find where I stashed a boatload of them I got for FREE from Marlboro for buying cigarettes. Then I could post a picture of the Surgeon Generals warning.
Aw, SteveWS45. The FDA wants mfg.'s to put on their juice labels for 0 nic that it contains tobacco. Since every item, every piece of a mod setup is now "deemed" tobacco, wouldn't the Surgeon Generals use the very same warning against them?
I've learned a great deal during my vaping journey. A major and distressing part of that attained knowledge is to never again trust the FDA, CDC or any part of government bureaucracy. I do a lot of research now and try to find who is doing the major funding of the studies.
I've learned a great deal during my vaping journey. A major and distressing part of that attained knowledge is to never again trust the FDA, CDC or any part of government bureaucracy. I do a lot of research now and try to find who is doing the major funding of the studies.
Well gee Steve, do you mean I should ignore the decades of studies showing little to no risk from western style smokeless tobacco, and believe what the American Cancer society is telling us, the same group that has been on a holy terror trying to demonize and ban vaping. Sounds like a plan.
I am not at all surprised that when a thread like this shows up in a vaping forum, lots of bad information on ST shows up. What it really shows is how successful the tobacco control industry has been in brainwashing people into believing ST has any kind of significant risk. An even more negative side of this is how isolated many in the vaping world have become. You really have to be trying pretty hard to claim to be involved with tobacco harm reduction and not have a clue about how low risk smokeless tobacco is.
I'm with you. You can certainly manage your risks but worrying about it doesn't help and doesn't make your life any more enjoyable. Those numbers are rather scary though
NOW that is my kinda chewy 'baccer!!! (Yes, I still chew this gum. No, I don't care what peeps say about it!)
You have not wasted your time, mattiem. The rest of us need to know all of that too.I think this needs to be said....if not then I am sure a mod will let me know.
I have gone back through all the threads you have started and have come to the conclusion that your goal for this forum is to stir the pot. You have been here long enough to know that nicotine is the most benign ingredient in smokes and ALL smokeless products. If you really and truly haven't accepted or can't accept that fact yet then I can only assume that you will never accept it.
I have also come to the conclusion that you WANT to find something deadly with vaping. You constantly dig up things that have been talked to death but it seems to me that you just read the headlines and never the rebuttal. You come in and start a thread such as this and I wonder if you ever even come back to read the answers to your questions. If that is the case then I have just wasted my time
If I am way off base and it is just in your nature to worry yourself to death then I feel sorry for you. That can't be a comfortable way to be.
Worry, and stress may themselves cause cancer There are definitely links between prolonged high stress levels, and increased risk for heart attacks, and stroke.
@Stubby you can do what ever you would like to do but the opinions expressed are my own personal feelings and no where and in no way tell anyone to do anything like ignore any studies. Freedom of choice is available.
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