Nicotine does NOT promote lung cancer growth
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Great find! And it even comes from the American Association for Cancer Research! Hmmm...how long before their peers discount the findings as "misleading and dangerous speculation"???
Thank you for the article! I had an argument with my idiot BIL about this subject this weekend. He loves to call my pv my 'chemical cigarette' and told me his way of cutting down is to .... his cig and smoke it later. There aren't enough eyerolls in the world for this guy. When I talk to him I'm always looking for a hidden camera.
I'll show him the article. On second thought I should probably read it to him.
I'll show him the article. On second thought I should probably read it to him.
Although nicotine may not cause cancer growth it is still possible that foreign substance can. I do feel healthier vapping than i do smoking though.... as to what swedishfish said: I have a TON of people who think vapping is great but are saying "wow, sure there is no smoke but imagine how many chemicals go into the liquid you are vaporizing!" its hard to explain to them that opposed to 1000's of things that are in cigarettes, e-liquid contains: vegetable glycerin and/or Propylene Glycol, a nicotine solution and normally a water based flavoring. So that's 3 - 4 items inside your juice in comparison to who knows what is in cigarettes...
That's fabulous news. However, I'm fifty-four and my biggest motive for vaping is to improve my breathing. I have a number of friends on oxygen bottles with tubes coming out their noses.
My ex-wife's cousin actually sat in a chair with a full size oxygen tank, sucking on oxygen while sucking on a cigarette.
I pray that I never be THAT STUPID!
Dave
My ex-wife's cousin actually sat in a chair with a full size oxygen tank, sucking on oxygen while sucking on a cigarette.
I pray that I never be THAT STUPID!
Dave
There is nothing stupid about that person. It's just what nicotine addiction can do to a person. It's devastating. Don't start labeling people like that, especially because your a former smoker. That could have been you right before you started vaping, and I'm sure you wouldn't like to be labeled as "stupid" when your already in a horrible situation.
I used to tell people that the addiction to cigarettes was worse than the addiction to crack (I've never smoked crack so that is an assumption). I would do anything for my cigs. People used to tell me that they would kill me and I'd tell them that I'd gladly die for a few minutes of sweet bliss. I was fully aware of the consequences surrounding smoking and I was prepared to accept them. In hindsight, was it a stupid mentality? YES! But it was my decision and nobody should judge it.
Ex-smokers tend to exhibit the fundamental attribution error quite frequently...
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I was the same way, and I agree with you that it's more addictive to crack. I've never tried it either, but I can imagine. It's a serious addiction and even now, as vapor users, we are still hooked. It may be a safer route, but we shouldn't judge people who smoke, especially if they are in a REALLY crappy situation.
It always got on my nerve when people would bash people who've died of cancer, or have some other complication because of cigarettes. Nicotine addiction will grab you and not let go, just look at ourselves.
As supporters of vaping it's important to not give ourselves the image that we are "better" that anyone and everyone who smokes is "stupid". We've been there done that, and the only thing we can do is work on our own health and spread knowledge of E-Cigs, and ultimately have people make the "switch".
I know someone who used (guess the drug name isn't allowed )for a few years, primarily smoking crack the last year or so of their addiction. They were able to quit and haven't touched drugs in over 5 years, but cannot seem to give up the nicotine. Part of it may be the lack of immediate negative consequence with cigarettes vs. hard drugs. You don't generally lose your house/family/job/sanity due to smoking. With smoking, you deal with disapproval and health consequences, but when you're young especially those things don't tend to bother you so much and the health effects seem a long way off.
As for smokers being treated as second-class citizens...this is something that has always really ...... me off. People have the right to smoke. People have the right to eat junk food. People have the right not to wear their seatbelts. It's my/your body, not the general public's. I don't mean that in the super-broad sense that things such as (insert hardcore drug name here )should be legal, but that has a lot more consequence on crime rates and the breakdown of families.
People who want to pretend-hack around a smoker who is outside several hundred yards away from a building entrance and people who want to push their non-smoking agenda on every person they meet who smokes....should be force-fed nicotine for a few years and then see how they feel about it.
As for smokers being treated as second-class citizens...this is something that has always really ...... me off. People have the right to smoke. People have the right to eat junk food. People have the right not to wear their seatbelts. It's my/your body, not the general public's. I don't mean that in the super-broad sense that things such as (insert hardcore drug name here )should be legal, but that has a lot more consequence on crime rates and the breakdown of families.
People who want to pretend-hack around a smoker who is outside several hundred yards away from a building entrance and people who want to push their non-smoking agenda on every person they meet who smokes....should be force-fed nicotine for a few years and then see how they feel about it.
I could be wrong but I think wdave may have meant...
Oxygen tank + Cigarette = possibility of Kaboom
I'm sure he did but there are a lot of smokers out there who have oxygen tanks and still smoke. I have some relatives that do it. It's not a question of stupidity, it's about how badly they want their nicotine fix and like anyone addicted to a drug we are going to do things that defy common sense at times. How many stories/videos are there on youtube that show people dying of terrible lung diseases and still trying to smoke even though they can't breathe?
I would never make my kids wear a stupid freaking bicycle helmet.
Well, I don't have kids, but if I did I swear I wouldn't.
As a kid, I used to jump off rooftops onto the grass, or bridges into water.
As a kid, I used to jump my bicycle off of anything I could find.
I never hurt myself once doing these things.
Unless you count the time I crunched my potatoes.
But then again, I did run into a tree playing football and got a concussion.
And a few years ago I seperated my shoulder skiing.
Maybe we should outlaw skiing, or playing football, so as to eliminate all potential injury.
Or maybe we should require wearing a cup in addition to helmets.
Crunching your potatoes is not pleasant.
Or maybe we should just let people live their lives, and have parents overprotect them as desired.
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ya... but that's a child. You have a child to teach him wrong from right. You should force your child to wear a "stupid" helmet. You should tell your kids to wear safety equipment. Just like you should teach your child not to smoke, even if they take your advice or not. Some kids do, some kids don't.
I think I know what your getting at... But I'm talking about a physical and STRONG mental addiction to tobacco, not the safety precautions you should take with your child....
I started smoking at 14 and later quit for a 5 year stretch then a 7 year stretch. All one needs is a good motive. Then it was my kids. Now, with my lung capacity at 50%, my motive is NOT being so STUPID do end up on an oxygen tank. I suppose you want to join the people with tube hanging out of their noses. I'm 54 and I have wised up. I don't vape because I prefer vaping over cigarettes. You need to look at your motives for vaping or you wan't be vaping very long.
We are not better than analog smokers. We are just smarter.
I ex-wife who still smokes while having emphazema would appreciate your point of view.
Dave
I'm not saying I'd like to have a tube in my nose, but I might. Who knows. I could have a lung complication other than smoking. My grandfather never smoked and he had a tube because he had a stroke.
I'm sorry about your wife, but obviously with your past experience you should understand how bad nicotine addiction is. You said you quit for FIVE YEARS. Why did you come back? Did a cigarette fall into your mouth?
C'mon... And now your using e cigs which is NICOTINE based! You are still addicted. You didn't quit nicotine, you just get it from a different source. If you were to "wise" up you wouldn't smoke anything at all! I'm sure there is a person out there who would call you "stupid" for smoking an electric cigarette, and I'm sure you wouldn't like that.
You could still get lung complications even after you quit. It takes YEARS for our lungs to be SOMEWHAT normal/healthy. You could get a tube in your nose in the future and I bet you'd be puffing on an electric cigarette; and you'd be using the nicotine that got you in that position in the first place!
Would you say wife is "Stupid" because she still smokes and she has emphazema? Do you think if she quit for 5 years she would go back?
Smokers are all in the same boat, just because someone gets a complication before the other doesn't lower their IQ. It's all just a game of Russian roulette. It's always been a gamble with nothing to win.
I'm sorry about your wife, hopefully her health improves, but please understand what I am saying. There is absolutely no reason to incorporate intelligence into a situation which is controlled by addiction.
It's like the people who smoke two packs a day. I could never do that, never knew how someone could smoke that much, but I never once though I was smarter or they were stupid because they smoked more than me.
My uncle who smokes roughly two packs a day has emphazema, uses an inhaler, and coughs like there is tomorrow. He's actually rather intelligent and is fluent in four languages. He studied at college and works as an engineer. I don't consider him "stupid". He's just addicted to cigarettes.
If we were to say anything is stupid, is that we started smoking in the first place. Once you get past the point of starting and being addicted, it's almost out of our control.
My father quit, will power may have a strong part. But for most cases will power is hardly enough. Why is there so many people dying of lung cancer? I'd hate to think it had anything to do with being "stupid". I think of it as a battle with addiction that took someones life.
That's why a lot of the anti-smoking cigarette commercials don't really work. It's because they make us feel like crap, and makes us feel stupid for smoking. This with a combination of already lost hope doesn't create a solution to our problem.
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