nicotine strength of freebase juice in a pod device

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New And been using pod devices only and use to put freebase juice is pod systems but I find out that pods are made for nic salts only and they are not good for freebase juices.

I am hitting 6 mg nicotine strength 50/50 pg vg juice in pod and not getting the full flavour but I ordered a proper kit now so I want to know that when I hit this juice on higher temps like 50 or 60 Watts will I get more nicotine from the same ejuice or if I need to buy higher nicotine strength?

I am not satisfied with 6 mg strength and about to order the 12 mg strength juice but I stopped because I thought maybe I don't get the proper nicotine because I am using juice in a pod system and once I will hit the same juice in a proper device like vaporesso luxe I will get more nicotine of it. Please advise if this is true or if both pods and mod kit for freebase juice will give me same nicotine and the difference is of flavour only?
 
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New And been using pod devices only and use to put freebase juice is pod systems but I find out that pods are made for nic salts only and they are not good for freebase juices.

I am hitting 6 mg nicotine strength 50/50 pg vg juice in pod and not getting the full flavour but I ordered a proper kit now so I want to know that when I hit this juice on higher temps like 50 or 60 Watts will I get more nicotine from the same ejuice or if I need to buy higher nicotine strength?

I am not satisfied with 6 mg strength and about to order the 12 mg strength juice but I stopped because I thought maybe I don't get the proper nicotine because I am using juice in a pod system and once I will hit the same juice in a proper device like vaporesso luxe I will get more nicotine of it. Please advise if this is true or if both pods and mod kit for freebase juice will give me same nicotine and the difference is of flavour only?
Hi and welcome,
I use 6mg/ml freebase in my squonker with a .5Ω coil @ 18 watts.
I use 25mg/ml-30mg/ml freebase in my pod devices.

Salts or Freebase can be used in ANY device. Match the nicotine level to the device.
Low power, small coil, small wick, inefficient devices need a higher nicotine content to deliver a perceptible dose of nicotine with each draw.

HTH
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Hi and welcome,
I use 6mg/ml freebase in my squonker with a .5Ω coil @ 18 watts.
I use 25mg/ml-30mg/ml freebase in my pod devices.

Salts or Freebase can be used in ANY device. Match the nicotine level to the device.
Low power, small coil, small wick, inefficient devices need a higher nicotine content to deliver a perceptible dose of nicotine with each draw.

HTH
I

Thanks. So this means I don't need to increase the strength if I am going to use it in a vaporesso luxe since I ll have the high wattage option. Am I right?
 
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Thanks. So this means I don't need to increase the strength if I am going to use it in a vaporesso luxe since I ll have the high wattage option. Am I right?
The luxe is only a battery.
vaporesso-luxe-mod.jpg

However, using a sub-ohm topper on the luxe should deliver a greater volume of vapor and by extension a larger dose of nicotine with each draw.

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The luxe is only a battery.
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However, using a sub-ohm topper on the luxe should deliver a greater volume of vapor and by extension a larger dose of nicotine with each draw.

HTH
I

Thanks dear. Yes I mean the luxe stock kit. The mod has a maximum output of 220W and the skrr tank have QF Strips 0.15ohm and QF Meshed 0.2ohm coils. So I think 6 mg is ok?
 

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Thanks dear. Yes I mean the luxe stock kit. The mod has a maximum output of 220W and the skrr tank have QF Strips 0.15ohm and QF Meshed 0.2ohm coils. So I think 6 mg is ok?
You are very welcome. :wub:

If I was using that kit, I would use 3mg/ml or lower.
I settled on my current nicotine level only because it was low enough to permit me to vape as often as I liked.

If you do two pulls an hour, you may need higher nicotine, if you do 5 pulls per minute and take a few minutes break, the 3mg/ml should keep the nicotine monkey quiet or at least occupied.

Depending on the batteries you choose: two 20 amp batteries should be good for a solid 120 watts from the luxe.
With current technology 18650 batteries, 220 watts is a fantasy.

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You are very welcome. :wub:

If I was using that kit, I would use 3mg/ml or lower.
I settled on my current nicotine level only because it was low enough to permit me to vape as often as I liked.

If you do two pulls an hour, you may need higher nicotine, if you do 5 pulls per minute and take a few minutes break, the 3mg/ml should keep the nicotine monkey quiet or at least occupied.

Depending on the batteries you choose: two 20 amp batteries should be good for a solid 120 watts from the luxe.
With current technology 18650 batteries, 220 watts is a fantasy.

Cheers
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Thanks a lot. I have these batteries here.

SINGLE (Authentic) LG HG2 3000mAh 20A

SINGLE (Authentic) Sony VTC6 18650 3000mAh 15A

I think LG is more better because its 20A. What you suggest which one is better?
 
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inefficient devices need a higher nicotine content to deliver a perceptible dose of nicotine with each draw.

HTH
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so smaller mtl devices are inefficient? I say big coils, big wicks that rely on big power are the inefficient ones. Using up batteries, using lots of power to heat massive coils imo are not very efficient. One also has to breath in alot of air and stress lungs, use massive amounts of juice too. Devices are big ., so more waste in metals, more waste in batteries, etc.....I think you have it backwards.
 

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Here you go - watch and decide:



Enjoy your new kit!


Thanks a lot. Very very helpful video. It seems Sony's VTC6 is the winner performance wise and I want good performance rather than the long battery life. One question please that when you change nicotine strength based on your device, do you use same juice of different strengths or different juices? What I understand that if a juice is being used in a proper device which has high wattage a 6 mg or 3 mg is enough but if the same juice is used in a pod device which has like a 12 watt maximum output and weak coils we need to use 25 mg nicotine strength of the same juice as we won't be getting desired nicotine levels otherwise. Please confirm.

so smaller mtl devices are inefficient? I say big coils, big wicks that rely on big power are the inefficient ones. Using up batteries, using lots of power to heat massive coils imo are not very efficient. One also has to breath in alot of air and stress lungs, use massive amounts of juice too. Devices are big ., so more waste in metals, more waste in batteries, etc.....I think you have it backwards.

Hmm. Now its confusing. So you mean to say is that using a 3 mg freebase juice gives me same kind of nicotine and flavour as in a proper mod which has high power and more powerful coils? Then why they say that pod systems are good for nic salts only? Please explain.
 
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Pods don't require higher amounts of nicotine. They don't.

It's just most cook the juice at low watts, often with about 1.5 ohms of resistance and many find they don't get satisfaction from lower nic concentrations from pods.

Take an Innokin EQ for example with it's 0.6 or 0.5 ohm coils, at same watts as the Vaporesso Zero using a 1.3 coil one could potentially receive more nicotine satisfaction from same juice using the EQ.

Now zapping the same juice with much higher watts like 50 to 70 will certainly provide a more concentrated output. Therefore the amount of nicotine inhaled would seem way more satisfying than with a 12 watt pod system.

Me? I vape 3 and 6 strength in pods. More than that makes me prefer smoking. My brain says "if you want a bunch of nicotine just smoke" so the lower nic content is actually more satisfying to me mentally.
 

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The wattage is proportional to the mass of the coil. The mass of the coil is proportional to the surface area for vaporization. The more surface area the more juice is vaporized in a puff. You want to select the nicotine concentration that provides you with the right dose in each puff. That's your satisfaction.

(numbers are for illustrative purposes only—nitpicking not required)

Pods have eeny weenie tiny coils that sip 1-2mL per day. So they work at 12W and you need 30-50mg nic concentration.

MTL builds have moderately sized coils that use 5-10mL of juice a day, so those operate at 20-50W and you need 12-24mg nic concentration.

DL builds have big coils that guzzle juice at a rate of 10-30mL a day, so those operate at 70-100+W and work with 3-12mg nic concentration.
 
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Thanks a lot. I will watxh and decide. One question please that when you change nicotine strength based on your device, do you use same juice of different strengths or different juices? What I understand that if a juice is being used in a proper device which has high wattage a 6 mg or 3 mg is enough but if the same juice is used in a pod device which has like a 12 watt maximum output and weak coils we need to use 25 mg nicotine strength of the same juice as we won't be getting desired nicotine levels otherwise. Please confirm.



Hmm. Now its confusing. So you mean to say is that using a 3 mg freebase juice gives me same kind of nicotine and flavour as in a proper mod which has high power and more powerful coils? Then why they say that pod systems are good for nic salts only? Please explain.
Guess I got side tracked, as my post has nothing to do with nic and comparisons when it should have. I just responded to the statement that small , low power mtl devices are inefficient . I hear this alot when comparing the two. Just because one can use a lower nic in a big powerful mod doesnt make it more efficient imo. Sorry for the confusion, as my response is not helping you what so ever .

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Pods don't require higher amounts of nicotine. They don't.

It's just most cook the juice at low watts, often with about 1.5 ohms of resistance and many find they don't get satisfaction from lower nic concentrations from pods.

Take an Innokin EQ for example with it's 0.6 or 0.5 ohm coils, at same watts as the Vaporesso Zero using a 1.3 coil one could potentially receive more nicotine satisfaction from same juice using the EQ.

Now zapping the same juice with much higher watts like 50 to 70 will certainly provide a more concentrated output. Therefore the amount of nicotine inhaled would seem way more satisfying than with a 12 watt pod system.

Me? I vape 3 and 6 strength in pods. More than that makes me prefer smoking. My brain says "if you want a bunch of nicotine just smoke" so the lower nic content is actually more satisfying to me mentally.

The wattage is proportional to the mass of the coil. The mass of the coil is proportional to the surface area for vaporization. The more surface area the more juice is vaporized in a puff. You want to select the nicotine concentration that provides you with the right dose in each puff. That's your satisfaction.

(numbers are for illustrative purposes only—nitpicking not required)

Pods have eeny weenie tiny coils that sip 1-2mL per day. So they work at 12W and you need 30-50mg nic concentration.

MTL builds have moderately sized coils that use 5-10mL of juice a day, so those operate at 20-50W and you need 12-24mg nic concentration.

DL builds have big coils that guzzle juice at a rate of 10-30mL a day, so those operate at 70-100+W and work with 3-12mg nic concentration.

Thanks a lot. So what I am going to do is that I am ordering same juice in high and lower strengths. 6 MG for Vaporesso Luxe S and like 20 to 25 for my vaporesso Aurora play which is a pod system. Please let me know if thats correct. I want to continue using pod systems because of there stealth capabilities. Extremely easy to carry and can vape without troubling anyone or get noticed.

Guess I got side tracked, as my post has nothing to do with nic and comparisons when it should have. I just responded to the statement that small , low power mtl devices are inefficient . I hear this alot when comparing the two. Just because one can use a lower nic in a big powerful mod doesnt make it more efficient imo. Sorry for the confusion, as my response is not helping you what so ever .

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No problem bro. Actually he was saying the pod devices insufficient in other sense that they are insufficient to pull out flavour and required nicotine from a freebase juice.
 

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What I am going to do is that I am ordering same juice in high and lower strengths. 6 MG for Vaporesso Luxe S and like 20 to 25 for my vaporesso Aurora play which is a pod system.
20-25mg is on the low end of acceptable for a 12W device. Pod juice is usually either 30 or 50mg.
I'd be remiss if I didn't warn you that freebase nicotine has an overwhelming taste at concentrations higher than 20mg or so, which is why protonated "salt" nic is so popular in small devices.

If I were you I'd be buying the 50mg 50/50 salt nic for the Aurora Play. No .....-footing around. You can always cut it with something later if it's too much.
 

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20-25mg is on the low end of acceptable for a 12W device. Pod juice is usually either 30 or 50mg.
I'd be remiss if I didn't warn you that freebase nicotine has an overwhelming taste at concentrations higher than 20mg or so, which is why protonated "salt" nic is so popular in small devices.

If I were you I'd be buying the 50mg 50/50 salt nic for the Aurora Play. No .....-footing around. You can always cut it with something later if it's too much.

Thanks for the reply. I am not getting salt nic because I had a very hard time finding a juice that tastes like real tobacco. Its by Black note. Everything else I have tried, I didn't like. I don't have a sweet tooth. Can't tolerate sweet juices or flavours like coffee or chocolate or any. Prefer a flavour which gives me feeling of smoking a cig.
 

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Back in the day of 510 pens, Stardusts and Evods, we were using 12-24mg freebase nic.
That was enough for many/most of us, but certainly not for everyone. There are people who needed 36-50 mg nic on those low-powered devices in order to be able too quit smoking. There are also a fair number who couldn't quit using low-powered devices at all, no mater the nic level, but quit easily once high-powered DL stuff came along. Bottom line: People are different.
 

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Just be carful with the high nic concentrations. If you get dizzy or light headed, nausea or headachs put it down for a while. I was a heavy smoker of non-filters so I have a high tollerence to nic. Currently using a 15 W pod with 16mg nic and 80VG 20PG, and 18mg nic 70PG 30 VG, and 24mg salt. All of these satisfy my need for nic well enough to keep me smoke free. I was told, though, not to vape salts in a sub-ohm device, but there may be some who think that's just a lot of elitist crap. ;)
 
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