Nicotine

[Geoffrey White]

I found an amazing deal on nicotine at https://www.myfreedomsmokes.com/nic...vored-nicotine-smoke-juice-e-liquid-9390.html.

Unfortunately, they are based in the US, so I think there is a good chance it could be confiscated at the border...

Even with the ~$50 shipping, this is a great deal, so...

Out of the 2 shipping options (USPS and FedEx), which do you think is more likely to be confiscated?

 

[DiagTech]

If I was to attempt importing, FedEx would be my choice. Really interested to know if it will make it to your doorstep. Canadian suppliers are either out of stock, or want your arm.

 

[UserDave]

I think canadian customs are really cracking down rts put there canadian orders on hold and myfreedomsmokes has this disclaimer. I don't blame them if most of the canadian orders don't make it.

" not responsible for packages that are undeliverable, mis-delivered, lost, or stolen.
International shipments that are returned to us for any reason will be held for 10 days and then discarded. Returned packages will not be refunded and no credits will be given. The package may be re-shipped upon request, but will require payment of a second shipping charge to cover the cost of re-shipment."

 

[Geoffrey White]

I'm sending them an email first, asking if the package is returned, if they'll still honour the free shipping to anywhere in the US for orders over $75.

If they say yes, worst-case scenario is I'm out the initial shipping costs.

 

[vexxis]

I think CBSA and Heath Canada are on very tenuous ground (e.g. very thin ice) and I'm having a problem understanding their motives. In the US I can understand that big tobacco has lobbyists but is the same thing happening in Canada? And even if it is, wouldn't they be going after the legislators? I don’t understand why or how they are managing to influence Heath Canada into not respecting their own regulations - maybe someone can explain this to me?

By my interpretation, liquid nicotine used for vaping is specifically exempted from schedule F which says “Nicotine except: … (d) in a form to be administered orally by means of an inhalation device delivering 4 milligrams or less of nicotine per dosage unit;”. If you calculate someone vaping 36mg (the strongest e-liquid I have seen advertised – you’d need to be crazy to mix up a stronger potion) you definitely end up with less than 4 mg/dose.

I'm a very law abiding citizen, but I don’t see how CBSA/Heath Canada is respecting the law here. With that in mind, I took advantage of this lucrative offer of 1L of 100mg PG after reading a couple of reviews of the quality of this product from this supplier.

Maybe you've seen the show “Border Security” showing a bunch of CBSA Officers at the Vancouver mail centre casually checking packages with the luxury of all time in the world on their side. FedEx doesn't have the luxury of time and have their own (borrowed) CBSA Officers, paid a premium to rubber stamp everything they can as fast as they can to keep their service levels up to their standards. So I see from the tracking that it cleared, travelled another 1500 miles within Canada and will be out for delivery tomorrow.

I have broken no law.

 

[DiagTech]

That is excellent news. I am glad to say I had a delivery today of well priced 1L 48mg/ml VG base from a Canadian supplier that recently stocked, then sold out.

 

[Geoffrey White]

I'm sorry for the lateness of my response... I've been unable to use these forums for the past few days.

Anyway, it looks like, while I was trying to maneuver my way around the apparent ban on the import/export of nicotine to/from Canada, I ran out of time for that great deal...

Does anyone know of any other great deals on nicotine? I was hoping to find (preferably in Canada, but if necessary, in the US) at least one 500 ml bottle of 100 mg/ml pharmaceutical grade nicotine solution in USP PG, and one in USP VG.

 

[retired1]

I'm finding that after getting bent over for shipping rates from the US, finding a Canadian source is a better alternative and you're guaranteed of getting your product. By the time you're done paying the exorbitant shipping fees, the prices are comparable to what you'll pay up here.

 

[vexxis]

So now the price is showing as $79.95 US for 500ml/100 (1L was on sale for $50) but I still think it is a good deal if you are lucky enough to be able to import it without a hassle (like I was).

I got 1L/100mg as well as 1L PG and 1L VG along with some flavoring and mixed up the best e-juice I've every had anywhere (and I tried a lot of premixed e-juice before going DIY). Where I am located the only local vape shop sells premixed e-juice 10 ml for $9.99 + sales tax, that like $1.15/ml. While that sounds pretty unreasonable they do have a taste before you buy bar (0mg) of their favors and have to pay the rent for their brick and mortar store. Although this seems high compared to online prices I've read that most people vape somewhere between 2 and 5 ml/day, while still cheaper than smoking that adds up over time.

I'm convinced that DIY is definitely the cheapest, easiest method no matter how much you have to pay for your nicotine base and fast FedEx shipping of it. I mixed up quite a bit of 18 strength (probably $200 worth if purchased locally) and haven't made a dent in my 1L of 100mg base. Although I haven't done the exact math on it, the relatively small quantity of e-juice I already made has already cancelled out the entire cost of the order and shipping for the base, PG, VG and flavors. My local pharmacist was very helpful in supplying no needle syringes for making precise measurements, I offered to pay him for them but he didn't know what to charge and just gave them to me.

While I was on a first name basis with everyone at the local vape shop, I guess they will wonder what happened to me

 

[vincom]

So now the price is showing as $79.95 US for 500ml/100 (1L was on sale for $50) but I still think it is a good deal if you are lucky enough to be able to import it without a hassle (like I was).

what method of shipping did u choose

 

[vexxis]

what method of shipping did u choose

I chose FedEx International Priority, it arrived at my door (3 X 1L bottles, NIC (100), PG, VG and a few flavours) very quickly (shipped Thursday evening from Charlotte, NC and at my door in Canada on Tuesday morning). I was "interested" to see the customs declaration (like what did they say was in it?)... Well there wasn't one... at least not with the package. Just the standard FedEx address label with bar code and an bright orange "CLEARED" sticker It went from leaving the US to having cleared customs in Canada (845 miles later) in a matter of a couple of hours. Pretty much what I was hoping would happen. There is no FedEx depot here (where I live, the nearest is 250 miles away) so that always adds a day as it definitely travels by ground for the last 250 miles. Of course as we all know, I didn't choose Priority because I wanted (or needed it) fast

I think FedEx is probably safe - even if CBSA did seize it, probably FedEx would make sure they (CBSA) follow their own rules and give you 30 or 60 days to do something about it. Several people have challenged them (CBSA) and it seems when you comply and play their game they do back down, I was looking forward to finding this out first hand so for me it was an adventure either way... of course your mileage may vary.

All I can really say for sure is that I am currently vaping the BEST e-juice I ever found and I tried lots of different pre-mixed ones (but this BEST I made myself).

 

[jensy]

When it comes to purchasing nicotine and getting it shipped accross the boarder I think it is far wiser to keep all info through Personal Messaging . Let's not make it any easier for them to target certain vendors name .

 

[vexxis]

When it comes to purchasing nicotine and getting it shipped across the boarder I think it is far wiser to keep all info through Personal Messaging . Let's not make it any easier for them to target certain vendors name .

While I do understand what you are saying, I would never have been able to make this order had this information not been public. I got the lead (and resulting great deal) here only because it was publicly suggested which resulted in a life saved, I was never going to make it to being 100% smoke free with all the commercial e-juice I had tried (perhaps 40 varieties), not only was it not as good (for me) as my own DIY and didn't give me as much freedom to vary the nicotine content as needed but it was almost as expensive as smoking to buy e-juice locally (more so when we consider the cost of the equipment) and their commercial labelling leaves a lot to be desired -- I was never certain what I was vaping). Now my wife's smoking is really starting to smell awful.

I'm sure CBSA has no problem figuring out which vendors are cross border shipping, they probably have a very comprehensive list compiled by now

 

[DiagTech]

I noticed the same thing when starting to vape. Only some flavors that were actually any good. Bought a couple "flavor packs" for sampling, but they'd only come at like 12mg or 50/50 pg/vg. Since I started DIY, my Butter Rum is almost perfected and I use it all day. The cost savings not only from buying packs of smokes, but even buying ejuice from vendors has come close to covering my entire laboratory...

 

[jensy]

Ok Vexxis lets put it this way . How many people in Canada do you think DIY ejuice ? The answer would be there are tons and tons of Canadian DIY, however how often do you see people publically stating where they got it from , how it was labeled , and how it was shipped. Hmmm not very often at all . In order for nicotine to KEEP coming in the FUTURE people can still get the message out through private messaging when they see people asking. You do realize the said company you were talking about did have to stop Canadian shipments for awhile .

I am on the same side as you Vexxis and I am glad it has saved your life, just be smart and respectful please so you can keep doing what you are doing.

 

[vexxis]

Ok jensy, I hear and will henceforth obey your very wise words of wisdom (for the greater good in this time of uncertainty), much appreciated BTW. I'm just glad someone did post this information publicly (the supplier’s name and details about the deal) so I was able to openly find it here and take advantage of it. I admit to not being adverse to the possible opportunity for an all-out full frontal assault on CBSA and/or Health Canada if it had come to that (every legal means, media and of course social media). If it had, I might well have lost the battle but the phrase “All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good people do nothing.” (attributed to Edmund Burke but disputed) comes to mind.