No News Yet, but be prepared when the USPS adds E Cigarettes to their Tobacco Restrictions

[DeFib]

As of yet, the USPS has not made any changes to their tobacco Restrictions, however with all the debate and rhetoric coming from the FDA over the last couple of years, it should come as no surprise when the USPS joins in.

https://www.usps.com/send/international-tobacco-restrictions.htm?

Today we can order and or send our PV's and E Liquids via the USPS without any hassle with signatures, but I have a funny feeling this won't last much longer.

I think it would be a good idea for companies to start requiring this, even before it becomes official. The whole purpose for our industry is to provide an alternative to committed smokers and requiring age verification only seems natural to further discourage underage nicotine addiction.

I know most of the companies who sell online utilize the Java 18+ script and a credit card should only be used by someone over the age of 18, but this open ended process cannot actually verify age.

Consider how easy it is for minors to click, YES and for minors to get their hands on a prepaid credit card.

Until we can get or sell our devices in a competing retail environment on a mass scale, I feel this is the best option to prove that we are doing everything we can to protect our and everyone else children. Not to mention if you want to order any other tobacco products that contain nicotine online, this is already the industry standard.

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[kwalka]

Are you kidding me? How many orders are already lost? Try to imagine the nightmare that would be created by the millions of packages needing to be signed for. Do you work? Does your mail come around your business hours. We have enough of a fight on our hands from the other side of the fence. You need to jump back over to this side.

 

[DaveP]

If parents can't screen what their kids do, then is it up to Uncle Sam to do it for them? How many kids actually care about vaping? If they do, they will get them from the gas station outlets by having one of their older friends buy it for them. Remember, when you were underage and you and your friends were able to get beer?

Underage or not, the government can't protect us from everything.

 

[Princessdee]

Are you kidding me? How many orders are already lost? Try to imagine the nightmare that would be created by the millions of packages needing to be signed for. Do you work? Does your mail come around your business hours. We have enough of a fight on our hands from the other side of the fence. You need to jump back over to this side.

+100 on this.
And my tiny post office is open 9 AM to 3 PM and closed 11:30 - 12:30 for lunch. Someone who works can't even get there to pick up a package.

 

[throatkick]

I'm just amazed at how the same, tired, old arguments can still persuade people.

 

[Jimi D.]

Hell!! I don't see today's kids wanting to vape. It's too much like work for them! It would be so much easier just to light up.

 

[denali_41]

it has its pros and cons,,,but it is place and no being verified yet,,,
this law was because people were able to buy cigarettes from a different state tax free ,,and most of the time a helluva a lot cheaper

it was never about the kids smoking,it was about the gooberment getting their money,nothing else

 

[mwplefty]

Unfortunately, kids would rather damage their lungs with tobacco smoke than have clear, healthy lungs with e-cigarettes. Most states, counties, and localities do not have laws restricting minors from purchasing and possessing e-cigarettes, but 21st Century has asked gas station cashiers to ban their products to anyone under 18, and the private establishments generally grant that company's wishes. Economically speaking, e-cigarettes are a lot less expensive than analog cigarettes. Kids are poor. The teen unemployment rate is very high. Why would they spend $5-$10 a pack which could last them a couple days when they could spend $8-$10 on a disposable e-cig that could last them a couple weeks? And their health would improve as a result. I feel like telling kids to flat out stop smoking is a lost cause. You're really beating a dead horse if you're constantly throwing out your son's/daughter's cigarette packs. Give them a safe alternative that could fulfill that urge to smoke, satisfy that nicotine addiction in a way that does not cause cancer. I understand that many people on here would rather kids not smoke at all, but the reality is that they do. Rather than make them go through brutal withdrawals by causing them to quit cold turkey, maybe it's about time we offer e-cigs as another option. I've heard some of some people whose 14-year-olds are addicted to analogs, but they are vehemently against allowing them to use an e-cig to curb that addiction. Instead, they are willing to let them continue smoking tobacco and harming their bodies. You can't tell a kid not to do something that they enjoy. It will just make them do it more. Encourage them to do something that has the sensory appeal of smoking without any of the negative side effects. I'm ready for the bashing.

 

[kwalka]

I'm not even going to bite on that one.... I have 4 kids and I guarantee none of them will ever light up never mind will I find my wife or myself throwing away their cigs. We are raising an anti tobacco generation. In this country anyway. Yes there will always be those rebels from broken homes who will smoke and do a whole lot worse, but the majority of responsible parents raising kids the right way will produce healthy young adults who wouldn't even think twice about lighting up. My oldest 3 will never forget the past 3 years while they were old enough to remember arguing with me almost daily to quit. Just the fact that they have to wrap their heads around why dad does/did something that is known to kill people, will stick with them enough to keep them away. Nevermind the fact that they are being raised to know better, weather I was a smoker or not.

 

[Our House]

No offense OP, but with your limited post count and this statement right here:

IF YOU AGREE PLEASE SHARE THIS POST..

...it's hard to read your thread as anything but an attempt to help generate lots of hype, go viral, and actually get our products banned through the mail.

Call me a skeptic, but I recommend that nobody share this post as the OP suggests. In fact, these are exactly the type of threads that should be locked/deleted in a "Legislation News" forum, or moved to the "Total Speculation, so Don't Take These Threads Seriously" forum instead. Sorry, but I can't see any valid reason why someone who is on our side would start a thread like this and ask everyone to share it. I really can't.

 

[kwalka]

no offense op, but with your limited post count and this statement right here:

...it's hard to read your thread as anything but an attempt to help generate lots of hype, go viral, and actually get our products banned through the mail.

Call me a skeptic, but i recommend that nobody share this post as the op suggests. In fact, these are exactly the type of threads that should be locked/deleted in a "legislation news" forum, or moved to the "total speculation, so don't take these threads seriously" forum instead. Sorry, but i can't see any valid reason why someone who is on our side would start a thread like this and ask everyone to share it. I really can't.

mole..........

 

[melloyello]

Yes there will always be those rebels from broken homes who will smoke and do a whole lot worse, but the majority of responsible parents raising kids the right way will produce healthy young adults who wouldn't even think twice about lighting up.

i assume you are a former smoker? must've come from a broken home?


i must be a bad parent because my kids dont always listen to what i say.

 

[kwalka]

im sorry but this made me laugh.

so if you see a teenager smoke today, they are from "broken homes"?

I'm ok w your opinion. To ans your question,not necessarily, but its a broader point I was trying to make. The portion of society who is raising healthy, well balanced, informed young adults are producing a generation who considering smoking the same as illicit drugs. As it has been put in the same class with the exception of alcohol. The only difference is that those 2 items are legal. This generation also understands that the only reason those 2 items are legal is due to the $ this corrupt gov is making from the 2.
So when I see a teen smoking I draw several conclusions, right wrong or indifferent. I believe it speaks volumes that they are choosing to smoke.

 

[TigerLadyTX]

I am responding to the section in bolded red. Um, just WOW. What an erroneous and offensive assumption to make. I have 4 adult children, (ages 25 thru 41), and 2 grandchildren. One grandchild is 19 years, the other 16 years. My husband and I, (these "kids'" parents), have been married for a very long time and are likely to remain so since we are still very much in love.

Of all of these children, only ONE of them became a smoker. He is now 26 and my next to youngest - he is also vaping about 50% of the time now. I'd hazard a guess that we raised all of these kids "the right way" since all but the youngest grandchild is either already in college, or has graduated college with, at minimum, a 4 year degree and not a single one of them has been in the slightest bit of trouble with the law.

Just wow.

~Tiger

I'm not even going to bite on that one.... I have 4 kids and I guarantee none of them will ever light up never mind will I find my wife or myself throwing away their cigs. We are raising an anti tobacco generation. In this country anyway. Yes there will always be those rebels from broken homes who will smoke and do a whole lot worse, but the majority of responsible parents raising kids the right way will produce healthy young adults who wouldn't even think twice about lighting up. My oldest 3 will never forget the past 3 years while they were old enough to remember arguing with me almost daily to quit. Just the fact that they have to wrap their heads around why dad does/did something that is known to kill people, will stick with them enough to keep them away. Nevermind the fact that they are being raised to know better, weather I was a smoker or not.

 

[kwalka]

Ok, if I was out of line I apologize. I should not of stereotyped such a large demographic. My point, which kind of ran off on its own(my fault) is that were becoming a society of anti smokers. Smoking today is being forced into the dark corners away from the general public, and seen as just a couple steps under illegal, illicit drugs. Again no offense to anybody inparticular, but anybody who chooses to start smoking, in this day and age, with all we know about its effects, well, I cant really finish that sentence without blatantly offending someone/anyone. So I wont. You/us of all people being the ones who have fought and won the fight should know what I mean. WTS, my kids know what that means and therefore will never start smoking.

 

[Ratchet]

As of yet, the USPS has not made any changes to their Tobacco Restrictions, however with all the debate and rhetoric coming from the FDA over the last couple of years, it should come as no surprise when the USPS joins in.

https://www.usps.com/send/international-tobacco-restrictions.htm?

Today we can order and or send our PV's and E Liquids via the USPS without any hassle with signatures, but I have a funny feeling this won't last much longer.

I think it would be a good idea for companies to start requiring this, even before it becomes official. The whole purpose for our industry is to provide an alternative to committed smokers and requiring age verification only seems natural to further discourage underage nicotine addiction.

I know most of the companies who sell online utilize the Java 18+ script and a credit card should only be used by someone over the age of 18, but this open ended process cannot actually verify age.

Consider how easy it is for minors to click, YES and for minors to get their hands on a prepaid credit card.

Until we can get or sell our devices in a competing retail environment on a mass scale, I feel this is the best option to prove that we are doing everything we can to protect our and everyone else children. Not to mention if you want to order any other tobacco products that contain nicotine online, this is already the industry standard.

IF YOU AGREE PLEASE SHARE THIS POST..

You're kidding, right?????? FORCE signature confirmation for all vape mail?????????? Yeah right! Not unless it does become mandatory one day. Until then, send mine without sig confirm - I have a job and am usually NOT AT HOME when mail comes in. And I really don't want to send all my vape mail to the office just so I can sign for it without making 100's of trips to the local PO to pick up a package that couldn't be delivered since noone was home to sign for it. NOPE, thanks!

 

[rothenbj]

Unfortunately, kids would rather damage their lungs with tobacco smoke than have clear, healthy lungs with e-cigarettes. Most states, counties, and localities do not have laws restricting minors from purchasing and possessing e-cigarettes, but 21st Century has asked gas station cashiers to ban their products to anyone under 18, and the private establishments generally grant that company's wishes. Economically speaking, e-cigarettes are a lot less expensive than analog cigarettes. Kids are poor. The teen unemployment rate is very high. Why would they spend $5-$10 a pack which could last them a couple days when they could spend $8-$10 on a disposable e-cig that could last them a couple weeks? And their health would improve as a result. I feel like telling kids to flat out stop smoking is a lost cause. You're really beating a dead horse if you're constantly throwing out your son's/daughter's cigarette packs. Give them a safe alternative that could fulfill that urge to smoke, satisfy that nicotine addiction in a way that does not cause cancer. I understand that many people on here would rather kids not smoke at all, but the reality is that they do. Rather than make them go through brutal withdrawals by causing them to quit cold turkey, maybe it's about time we offer e-cigs as another option. I've heard some of some people whose 14-year-olds are addicted to analogs, but they are vehemently against allowing them to use an e-cig to curb that addiction. Instead, they are willing to let them continue smoking tobacco and harming their bodies. You can't tell a kid not to do something that they enjoy. It will just make them do it more. Encourage them to do something that has the sensory appeal of smoking without any of the negative side effects. I'm ready for the bashing.

Better yet, make them more illegal than regular cigarettes. That will guarantee they'll choose them over analogues.

 

[kookycole]

As far as doing more for age verification, what about using something like NetId? ECF uses it to get verified for the classifieds and it was a pretty simple process. I realize that it wouldn't be fool proof and you would need to keep your kids from getting your personal info like your SSN, but it would add some extra protection.

 

[rothenbj]

I'm ok w your opinion. To ans your question,not necessarily, but its a broader point I was trying to make. The portion of society who is raising healthy, well balanced, informed young adults are producing a generation who considering smoking the same as illicit drugs. As it has been put in the same class with the exception of alcohol. The only difference is that those 2 items are legal. This generation also understands that the only reason those 2 items are legal is due to the $ this corrupt gov is making from the 2.
So when I see a teen smoking I draw several conclusions, right wrong or indifferent. I believe it speaks volumes that they are choosing to smoke.

So is it the happy, well balanced homes that are creating the obese children?

 

[kwalka]

So is it the happy, well balanced homes that are creating the obese children?

Obviously My opinions of whats wrong with this world are not going to be everybodys opinions. I am being backed into a corner here where I am coming off as sounding like I think my wife and I are some kind of superheroes. That is certainly not my intention. WTS, my daughter, 12 the oldest knows how to read labels and make proper decisions when it comes to what to eat and not to eat. None of my kids are overweight, nevermind obese. Do we have a well balanced home? You betcha. Do we have obese kids? Nope. Are all 3 of my kids on the honor roll and the principal's list? Yep. Do teachers that do not know me come up to me at school functions when they see me with my kids and say " thank you, I wish there were more parents like you guys in this world"? This has happened at least 3 times in 4 years. I am a boy scout leader for my 2 oldest boys, my wife is my daughters girl scout leader, and we are quite the active, well balanced family. So, now that I'm finished telling you how great we are, dont you think if this country had more families like ours and a divorce rate lower than 80%, we would have less smokers, drug addicts, crime, etc?
You asked for it and there you go. I am proud of the fact that I can go 12 rounds about why my kids will never smoke.