Noob with battery questions

[lilbakes]

Hey all...a couple noob questions about batteries...

I started with a Smoke 51 Trio Red Line, didn't like the lack of vapor and throat hit and bought an NJoy NPRO. Like a true noob, I did all of this before looking around at places like this. A friend at work bought the Smoke 51 Trio as well, and another one bought a V2 starter kit.

I've read that the Trio is a 510, the NPro is a RN4081 and the V2 is a KR808D-1.

My first question is what are the main differences (aside from threads) of the batteries? Is there any one that has an advantage over the others?

After searching around and reading some stuff, I decided I wanted to try out the CE2 cartomizers. I had ordered some RN4081 cartos from esmokeclub and liked them, but to my dismay, they didn't carry the CE2. I found some at Vapor Junction, but they only had ones that would fit the 510 and KR808D-1, so I bought a pack of 510 XL Clearomizers and a pack of KR808D-1 regular sized. I was planning on buying a KR808D-1 battery, and not liking the selection Vapor Junction had I went back to esmokeclub.com (I love the free shipping and the fact that they are in Michigan, which means I get them basically overnight). I had read somewhere that the KR808D-1 and DSE901 were the same, and since esmokeclub didn't have anything marked as KR80D-1 so I bought a couple they had listed as "Mini - DSE901".

When I got the CE2 cartos, the 510s worked perfectly with my Trio. The 510s also work perfect with the DSE901 batteries (courtesy of the KR808/901 batt to 510 atty/carto adapter from vapor junction). But when I put the KR80D-1 cartos on the DSE901 batteries, they go on really tight, and I don't get any airflow through the slots in the cartos.

So my second question is... Are the DSE901 and KR808D-1 really the same battery?

Thanks in advance to any advice anyone might be able to give me!

 

[DC2]

All of those batteries are 3.7 volts, however...

The KR808D-1 is a true 3.7 volt battery in that it runs at 3.7 volts under load.
The 510 battery is really a 3.2 volt battery under load, which is why 510 atomizers have a much lower resistance.

I don't know what the RN4081 battery runs at under load.

Also, I'm assuming that the charge on them lasts for different lengths of time.
That is all dependent on their mAh ratings, which basically means "how long will the charge last".

The standard 510 battery is rated at 180 mAh.
I think the standard KR808D-1 battery is rated at 280 mAh, but I'm not positive.

And again, don't know anything about the mAh rating of the RN4081 battery.

 

[DC2]

I should add that you might want to read this...
WWV Part II (page 5) | Vaping Guides

It will tell you all about what voltage and resistance have to do with vaping.

 

[lilbakes]

The Trio battery is 78mm, and the NPRO is 80. Everything I was seeing for RN4081 and 510 around that length said that they were 180 mAh. There is a 510 "mega" that is 280, but is about 10-15 mm longer. The KR808D-1 (a lot of them said 83mm) were mostly listed at 280 mAh. Looking back at esmokeclub.com, they say the "Mini - DSE901" that I bought is 180 mAh and that its working voltage is 3.2.

Does this mean that it really isn't the same as what a KR808D-1, like I had thought it was?

 

[cyberwolf]

Unfortunately, I believe you have hit on a combination that is only partially interchangeable. 901 atties will work on a KR808D-1 battery, but KR808D-1 cartos will not work on a 901 battery. And of course, there is yet another adapter that will solve the problem. The DSE901 battery is not exactly the same as the KR808D-1 and does have a lower voltage and mAH as you noted.

 

[dormouse]

No the Trio is not the 510 and the Duo is not RN4081

The Trio is Trio - possible L88b - not sure. Not 510. Not the same style atty. etc. however it may be able to use 510 atty and cartos. Just do not try to use the same charger. If it is an L88b charger it can melt 510 batteries and vice versa (polarity is reversed). You might be able to use the new Blu cartos? Just guessing. But the old Blu was a Trio. And both the old and current Blu can also use a Joye 306 atty as can 510.

The Duo is the E9 aka KR808D-2 which is also what Greensmoke is and you can buy cheap parts at AZSmokeFree.com. KR808D-2 is not compatible with the more popular and supported KR808D-1. Lecig sells D1 to D2 and D2 to D1 adapters.

See this for short lists of Duo/E9 and Trio models but the Blu they list is the old Blu (current Blu may be compatible) and the Bloog listed is a old Bloog (current Bloog MaxxFusion is KR808D-1, not KR808D-2)
A Brief Cartridge and Atomizer Compatibility Guide | Real eCig E-Cigarette Reviews and Information

And BTW - Smoke 51 is a ripoff rebrander. They charge $50 for a white battery that should cost $15.

 

[lilbakes]

No the Trio is not the 510 and the Duo is not RN4081

The Trio is Trio - possible L88b - not sure. Not 510. Not the same style atty. etc. however it may be able to use 510 atty and cartos. Just do not try to use the same charger. If it is an L88b charger it can melt 510 batteries and vice versa (polarity is reversed). You might be able to use the new Blu cartos? Just guessing. But the old Blu was a Trio. And both the old and current Blue can also use a Joye 306 atty as can 510.

Good to know. This post Smoke 51 Trio (Red) and 510 Battery/atty compatibility is what had me thinking my Smoke 51 Trio Red Line was a 510. The 510 cartos I bought work perfect with it. I'll make sure not to buy any other chargers for it. I think though, that once the battery dies, I'm just going to get rid of it...sticking with one model seems it might be easier.

The Duo is theE9 aka KR808D-2 which is also what Greensmoke is and you can buy cheap parts at AZSmokeFree.com. KR808D-2 is not compatible with the more popular and supported KR808D-1. Lecig sells D1 to D2 and D2 to D1 adapters.

I don't have a Duo. I bought an NJoy NPRO, which according to all the forum posts here on ECF as well as here:
Brand and Model Compatibility Chart is the RN4081. All of the RN4081 cartos I bought work perfectly with it.

And BTW - Smoke 51 is a ripoff rebrander. They charge $50 for a white battery that should cost $15.

Like I said, made both those purchases without really doing my research, except to compare kit prices on about 2 dozen "ripoff rebrander" sites...didn't know cool places like this existed .

I'm thinking I'm going to just phase into KR808D-1 completely, seeing as how from what's been said, the batteries seem to be a little more robust.

 

[lilbakes]

Unfortunately, I believe you have hit on a combination that is only partially interchangeable.

DOH!!!!!!

901 atties will work on a KR808D-1 battery, but KR808D-1 cartos will not work on a 901 battery.

What about chargers? If I buy a KR808D-1 charger will it work with my DSE901 batteries.?

The DSE901 battery is not exactly the same as the KR808D-1 and does have a lower voltage and mAH as you noted.

I think I am going to eventually switch to the KR808D-1....

 

[dormouse]

Yes the Njoy Npro is RN4081 and is you want to keep using it I recommend the manual RN4081 batteries from AZSmokeFree.com (they should be totally sealed on the threaded end just like 510 manuals are). I highly recommend manual batteries especially these totally sealed ones. Refilled cartomizers are likely to leak occasionally and where they leak is right where an auto battery can be damaged or killed - right over the hole in the threaded end of the battery. Manual batteries also won't turn on accidentally from wind or vibration. And they give more control of your hit with less work.

 

[Empress Kitty]

DorMouse is our battery expert. It is insane how much he knows!

I am partial to the big battery 510 ( I use an eGo)

l88b is crap been there failed with that. I love the ego though it got me off of analogs completely

~Kitty

 

[zzdiesel]

Is there anywhere to buy batteries for the Smoke Assist ecig?

 

[lilbakes]

Is there anywhere to buy batteries for the Smoke Assist ecig?

From all of the reviews I have read, you might be better off looking for a different kit, one that is cheaper and from a company that stands behind their products better. If you're doing their whole 80 bucks for a months worth of cartridges, I have seen places where you can get the kits for far below that, and a months worth of cartridges would cost half that.

 

[lilbakes]

EDIT: Duplicate Post

 

[zzdiesel]

From all of the reviews I have read, you might be better off looking for a different kit, one that is cheaper and from a company that stands behind their products better. If you're doing their whole 80 bucks for a months worth of cartridges, I have seen places where you can get the kits for far below that, and a months worth of cartridges would cost half that.

No, I bought mine from a different mail order company. They don't have my CC info. I like using it. I'm refilling the cartridges, but I'm afraid the one battery won't last long charging it over & over.

 

[Almighty]

All of those batteries are 3.7 volts, however...

The KR808D-1 is a true 3.7 volt battery in that it runs at 3.7 volts under load.
The 510 battery is really a 3.2 volt battery under load, which is why 510 atomizers have a much lower resistance.

I don't know what the RN4081 battery runs at under load.

Also, I'm assuming that the charge on them lasts for different lengths of time.
That is all dependent on their mAh ratings, which basically means "how long will the charge last".

The standard 510 battery is rated at 180 mAh.
I think the standard KR808D-1 battery is rated at 280 mAh, but I'm not positive.

And again, don't know anything about the mAh rating of the RN4081 battery.

this is a good answer