*Not getting taste I want, need to upgrade equip and would like input, please:)*

[edyle]

Hey there!

I've been vaping for a few months and I've decided I'm just not happy with the flavor I'm getting for certain liquids using my current setup, and I believe batteries with higher voltage (and possibly LR attys?) may be the solution I'm looking for...though, of course, i would love suggestions from the more experienced vapers among us, hence why I'm posting here!

Currently, I'm using Joyetech CCs with Ego C 1000 batteries. I haven't had a single prob with the CCs, I'm just not getting the nuances of the flavors like i should be getting. Therefore, I've been advised to go for batteries with at least 5v, higher if possible. I've also been told to switch to LR atty heads, but i don't know if doing higher voltage batteries AND LR would be too much at once.

So, higher end, eVic...though clock and puff count would be cool, don't know if I need...and with 510 threading, i could still use the CCs I have.

I know there have to be a multitude of 5v + batteries out there, but I've stuck with Joyetech thus far, for better or worse, so I just don't know what they are--so I desperately need suggestions!

As for atomizers, I'm not married to CCs, so open to suggestions on, well, everything! I'm also needing to know best batteries for eVic as well as chargers. Ultimately, I'd like to get two new units, so are there any that charge four batteries simultaneously?

Im hoping to do this ASAP, so any guidance would be a godsend!

Thanks so much for your help!
--J

Time to get an MVP2.

 

[edyle]

Doggies just rock...I don't have kids, so they're my babies!

Thank you ALL for all the wonderful suggestions! I'm researching each and every one right now...by the way, I'm not dead set on the evic, though I would definitely like something with the 510 threading so I'd have options for the top..though all the ideas so far have been fabulous! so if any of you have any others, I will continue researching!

Almost everything comes with both 510 and eGo threading.

 

[Shootist]

How can I comment without sounding biased/cynical/disappointed.

Please don't buy an Evic. Anything else is going to prove better value.

(I know, I know.... there'll be hundreds of people now saying theirs is a year old and hasn't missed a beat).

Let me just say this; on my "home" forum.... there is only 1 remaining. ALL of them are dead, sold on, or in the bin. People can't even sell them for $30 in the classifieds...

In my opinion, even though I've only been vaping for 2 months+, no one should buy any battery system that does not put out a Pure, or as close as you can get to a Pure, DC signal. All other that have the Pulse Wave/Width Modulation should be bypassed. Those are not accurate and you never know what actual voltage you are getting to the atty.
On the 2 Vamo's I have the only way to check actual voltage is to set my multimeter to AC. If set to DC and the unit is set to deliver 3.6 volts the meter reads something like 1.76 volts. Set to AC it reads 3.X.

 

[edyle]

In my opinion, even though I've only been vaping for 2 months+, no one should buy any battery system that does not put out a Pure, or as close as you can get to a Pure, DC signal. All other that have the Pulse Wave/Width Modulation should be bypassed. Those are not accurate and you never know what actual voltage you are getting to the atty.
On the 2 Vamo's I have the only way to check actual voltage is to set my multimeter to AC. If set to DC and the unit is set to deliver 3.6 volts the meter reads something like 1.76 volts. Set to AC it reads 3.X.

Ok, I thought it was maybe something to do with your meter, but I just checked with my meter and set my vamo to volts, and you're right.

Also
Interestingly enough, with a 3.6v battery in it, and set to 6 volts, it gives a dc reading of 6 volts, but an ac reading of 12 volts! That surprised me.

 

[ShaggBaggins]

+1 to the MVP 2, love mine with the kanger mini protank 2 with aerobase.

 

[Shootist]

Ok, I thought it was maybe something to do with your meter, but I just checked with my meter and set my vamo to volts, and you're right.

Also
Interestingly enough, with a 3.6v battery in it, and set to 6 volts, it gives a dc reading of 6 volts, but an ac reading of 12 volts! That surprised me.

It's because of the 33 Hz chip used in most of these VV/VW devices. No matter what you have it set to the unit is Always Pumping out 6 volts then pulses to 0 volts then back to 6 volts, an On Off pulse that is supposed to average out to the voltage you have set.

But the atomizer is still seeing 6 volts at the on times.

Not sure why it is showing 12 volts when set to 6 and AC set on the meter.

 

[Jberryj]

Very interesting about the voltage readings/issues...I didn't know they fluctuated like that to attempt to get the ACTUAL v you have it set for! I'm not sure which batts would qualify as 'pure DC'...what do you suggest, then, Shootist?

And no worries, edyle.,.the evic was what I was initially advised to get, but there's a reason I'm wanting suggestions

As for Kangers, I have 4 Pro Tank II Minis, and just haven't been impressed with the flavor...my CCs seem to give better flavor and are a hell of a lot easier maint when I change flavors, which I do a lot. So I'm hesitant to mess with more Kangers.

But the two new set ups I want are for my 'main vapes', hence wanting bigger tanks and better batteries. and better flavor, of course. (And I can't do dripping bc of current physical limitations, plz see one of my earliest posts in thread. )

 

[edyle]

Very interesting about the voltage readings/issues...I didn't know they fluctuated like that to attempt to get the ACTUAL v you have it set for! I'm not sure which batts would qualify as 'pure DC'...what do you suggest, then, Shootist?

And no worries, edyle.,.the evic was what I was initially advised to get, but there's a reason I'm wanting suggestions

As for Kangers, I have 4 Pro Tank II Minis, and just haven't been impressed with the flavor...my CCs seem to give better flavor and are a hell of a lot easier maint when I change flavors, which I do a lot. So I'm hesitant to mess with more Kangers.

But the two new set ups I want are for my 'main vapes', hence wanting bigger tanks and better batteries. and better flavor, of course. (And I can't do dripping bc of current physical limitations, plz see one of my earliest posts in thread. )

Yes most of the voltage regulated devices put out a chopped signal and for example with the vamo there is a setting for MEAN vs RMS;

there's 2 devices we know about that put out a flat dc voltage and that's the provari and the mvp.

there's probably others I guess, but maybe not as well known.

the Evolv kick2 puts out a flat dc but I dont know what devices uses it.

 

[Shootist]

Very interesting about the voltage readings/issues...I didn't know they fluctuated like that to attempt to get the ACTUAL v you have it set for! I'm not sure which batts would qualify as 'pure DC'...what do you suggest, then, Shootist?

And no worries, edyle.,.the evic was what I was initially advised to get, but there's a reason I'm wanting suggestions

As for Kangers, I have 4 Pro Tank II Minis, and just haven't been impressed with the flavor...my CCs seem to give better flavor and are a hell of a lot easier maint when I change flavors, which I do a lot. So I'm hesitant to mess with more Kangers.

But the two new set ups I want are for my 'main vapes', hence wanting bigger tanks and better batteries. and better flavor, of course. (And I can't do dripping bc of current physical limitations, plz see one of my earliest posts in thread. )

Most all, If Not All, VV/VW devices (That's variable voltage and variable wattage) use some type of pulsing system to regulate the voltage you have it set to. All the batteries used in all the devices are listed as giving 3.7 volts output and when freshly charged will deliver somewhere around 4.0 to 4.2 volts. So there has to be a system to raise and lower the voltage to above or below that 3.7 to 4.2 voltage that the battery put out. The better devices use a faster pulse modulation and in some cases, like with a Provari, have a second stage (circuitry) to level the pulses out to read near a pure DC signal. With Mech Mods (Mechanical devices, No regulation, straight from the battery to the atomizer) that is what you get, Pure DC from the battery.

If you want to learn more about this and keep up to date with new devices coming out check out the YouTube channel by PBusardo. He give in depth reports on most all the devices ever made or will be made. He uses an oscilloscope to measure the output signal on all the devices he tests and has graphs and charts to go along with it.

His reviews and especially his visit to Provape, the makers of the Provari (A USA company, Made In The USA), is what turned me to buy a Provari mod.

I have several other battery systems, 3 eGo style with one a variable voltage model, and 2 Vamo V5's. The eGo's give a fairly clean DC voltage and the vape is good. The Vamo's have that Pulse system and I can notice the difference between the eGo's and the Vamo's. On the Vamo's I need to lower the voltage, slightly, because the coils on my atomizers are getting 6 volts for a period of time then off for a period of time then back on then off then on ECT. But when it is on the coil/s are always getting 6 volts and the on off pulse is supposed to level it out to the voltage you have selected.

That is known as the Rattle Snake effect.

The vamo's use a 33Hz pulse. The Provari uses something like a 2000Hz pulse and then that second stage, circuitry, to Smooth that pulsing out. I can actually use a higher voltage on the Provari and not get Hot, throat burning (to me at least), hits.

I still use the Vamo's. But since Friday, that is when my Provari showed up, my main Mod is the Provari. Every battery I have except one eGo style has a atomizer on it and different juice as I vape all of them at some point during the day. I like the variety without having to change out heads all the time.

 

[Shootist]

Yes most of the voltage regulated devices put out a chopped signal and for example with the vamo there is a setting for MEAN vs RMS;

there's 2 devices we know about that put out a flat dc voltage and that's the provari and the mvp.

there's probably others I guess, but maybe not as well known.

the Evolv kick2 puts out a flat dc but I dont know what devices uses it.

The Kick and Kick 2 are meant to be used in a Mech Mod. No VV/VW device could use it as they already have that VV/VW option built in.

IIRC EVolv is also the makers of the DNA chips, DNA 20 and DNA 30, which also give a flat signal.

Then you have the SX line of chips used in devices by ?seglieg? (SP).

 

[Shootist]

As for Kangers, I have 4 Pro Tank II Minis, and just haven't been impressed with the flavor...my CCs seem to give better flavor and are a hell of a lot easier maint when I change flavors, which I do a lot. So I'm hesitant to mess with more Kangers.

But the two new set ups I want are for my 'main vapes', hence wanting bigger tanks and better batteries. and better flavor, of course. (And I can't do dripping bc of current physical limitations, plz see one of my earliest posts in thread. )

To answer your other question. I've found flavor is subjective. I have some flavors I like a lot in a Cig-A Like carto and when I put that same juice in one of my clearomizers it isn't as good and or different. Same thing goes for juice in one clearomizer and then in a different clearomizer. Case in point I just started using a Kayfun Lite + V2 which the user wraps their own coils and wicks it with whatever they choose. Some of the juice I like in my Nautilus is different in the Kayfun to the point I can't vape it. One juice I use in a Kanger Mini PT 3 is BOBA's Bounty. When I put that same juice in the Kayfun I had to empty the Kayfun out as the flavor was way to strong and I didn't care for it. But picking up the K Mini PT 3 again with same juice I like it a lot. So any juice can taste different in different atomizers.

 

[5spike]

Agree with the Povari. I don't have one but have read enough to know it's one of the best out there. Just a little pricey. I have a MVP and like it allot but Jberryj says she has some physical limitations and the mvp button isn't the easiest to push, even the newest one. Depends if you want the box form factor also.
Alot of sales this weekend. Check out http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/pay-forward-pif/418767-deals-steals.html if you haven't found that already.
Happy Memorial Day

 

[jkusmc]

I'll agree with the MVP2 as well. I have a few different mods, and while the MVP2 is far from the best, it is a great mod. The battery life is awesome and the size is great. When I'm going out and know I'll be away from the house for a while I usually grab the MVP2.

 

[Miles58]

Hi Jberryi! My first post here, but I have been vaping for some three years -- completely quit smoking 18 months ago. I also began with an EGO (mine was an EGO tank with replaceable atomizer head) but after some months I also got dissatisfied with the flavour. So I moved on and tried lots of stuff: cartoms, phantoms, several sorts of clearomizers and much more. Since I tried dripping (which tastes great but is inconvenient) all my vaping life has been a quest for inexpensive and more efficient ways of getting the dripping flavour I eventually found my way with Genesis clones but there is perhaps another solution that does not require fine motor skills ;-) (Btw: I hope you keep fighting and your motor skills keep improving; I do hope we'll be discussing coils and rolling mesh in a couple of years ) If you can just get some help with fine operations every second day or so, there are devices that allow you to feed some drops of juice into an atom by merely squeezing a bottle. The device I tried is called Vapemate (vapemate dot com; I'm not allowed to post links, let's hope this one is fine) it's a kind of clamp you attach to a big battery (such as a Provari). The clamp holds a bottle of juice that feeds the atom. Vapemate is by no means the only one on the market: the Reo is a complete mechanical mod that includes the battery case (reosmods dot com); also have a look at stevevape dot com slash drip-on-demand-e-cigarette-auto-feed. However, the only one I actually tried is Vapemate; it does a good job but it leaks a bit, esp. if you don't keep your PV upright.
This much applies to the atom; you should think of your battery as an independent system. I think a Provari is by far the most reliable and solid electronic device for holding and managing your battery. But taste is not mainly a matter of power: very high power is bad for your health and for your purse (you go on burning atoms all the time). An electronic PV such as the Provari allows you to finely tune the power you feed into your atom. By trial and error, you find out the best voltage for the resistance of your atom (start low!). With a mechanical PV, or with a system like EGO, you're stuck to a definite voltage, which gradually decreases as the battery discharges.
Good luck!

 

[Jberryj]

Ok...MVP2...don't think I could hold it well, sorry!

What do you guys think of this? KSD 30 Watt Vamo on Steroids - Vapor Tek USA

Found it on vaporjoes.com, along w other deals. Code 5off works for this...worth it or not?

 

[5spike]

Ok...MVP2...don't think I could hold it well, sorry!

What do you guys think of this? KSD 30 Watt Vamo on Steroids - Vapor Tek USA

Found it on vaporjoes.com, along w other deals. Code 5off works for this...worth it or not?

Saw that to. Not released yet so idk. It's a preorder.

 

[ToolmanTexas]

As far as clearomizers go I tried many of them. I love the flavor of the top coil units (vision ce4, vivi nova, etc.) but all of them would have leaking problems of some kind. I do NOT like the flavor of any bottom coil unit I tried (Kanger, Aspire, etc.).

The one clearo that I keep in use is the iClear 30s. The flavor is really great and have never had a leaking problem. Only downsides are it's a juice hog and it is plastic with no glass or metal option. Really cheap to try one out and see if you like.

 

[3mg Meniere]

If you are on a limited income, don't let them talk you out of a Vamo. https://www.fasttech.com/products/1491700 Current delivery time is about two weeks. Remember, you are going to have to buy batteries and charger, too. I have two, one salted away. The most common problems people encounter with them are easily fixed.

 

[5spike]

If you are on a limited income, don't let them talk you out of a Vamo. https://www.fasttech.com/products/1491700 Current delivery time is about two weeks. Remember, you are going to have to buy batteries and charger, too. I have two, one salted away. The most common problems people encounter with them are easily fixed.

That's the exact same one I bought. Only problem I ever had was the insulator under the post and a $1.59 pack of #60 o-rings fixed that better than new.

 

[Jberryj]

If you are on a limited income, don't let them talk you out of a Vamo. https://www.fasttech.com/products/1491700 Current delivery time is about two weeks. Remember, you are going to have to buy batteries and charger, too. I have two, one salted away. The most common problems people encounter with them are easily fixed.

I'm still def considering the Vamo V5...honestly like the black chrome, though chromed SS or brass? The fast tech site has fab prices, but patience is NOT a virtue i possess, so I don't think I can wait a month + for them to get here. Any US sites w similar/good pricing, faster shipping? Memorial Day sales, maybe? Or anyone w ins at provape who could hook me up w provaris? Lol