Notice to ALL Vendors

[Sandpit]

Some of your mod designs I like, some I don't, and some I would marry and admit to doing so BUT:
I am not a tech geek, journeyman electrician, college physics instructor, or Albert Einstein's illegitimate love child.
I don't care if I absolutely love your design and mod and the shiny colors it is available in, if you cannot take the time to break down the techy stuff in layman's terms or have a website that offers a mod but then has no simple way of buying a complete kit for your mod with simple explanations I will not bother. I'm trying to purchase something from you, I'm trying to give you my hard earned money. Don't make it a hard process. Put up some pretty pictures, good SIMPLE descriptions, and take my money.
If your website begins with or is filled to the brim with phrases such as "Ohm's Law" "Volatage times amps divided by the square root of A" I'm clicking the "close tab button" and moving along.
Now that is not to say good technical information and specs are not needed or wanted but it does mean that when I go purchase a new TV I have absolutely no need to know the mathematical equation of how a unit of Hertz is configured. All I require is a sales person to explain that higher Hertz = faster refresh rate = better picture.
Sorry for the rant but jeez guys come on. It is already easy enough to get swallowed up and lost in the 808, 801, 501, adapter to this, clear-omizer that, tank here, cartomizer there mumbo jumbo. Don't make it hard on your customers.
I am trying to help you out even if you don't like my little rant. If you have an adapter that makes it possible to use a KR808-D1 cartomizer on your mod or ecig then CLEARLY post that, explain it, and bam a happily informed customer.
You can always get techy speaky about your product for those that ARE Einstein's illegitimate children but for the rest of us can you just put it down in "See Spot run terms?" Thank you I love you buh-bye

 

[videoequus]

Hahahahhaha.. I love this post... Bravo!

 

[cskent]

I guess I've been on this forum too much for too long. I want to know everything about a product, even if I'm not in the market for it at the moment. I understand what everything means. And I know what they're not telling me most of the time.
But, I do understand that a lot of people just want to buy it and use it. When you go to the Best Buy, or even Walmart's, website and look at the way they have it laid out you find a general information page, and a specifications page for those who know how to decipher the information. Maybe vendors who sell production PV's and mods could take a cue from them and offer info in different formats.

 

[cipher]

Amen, Sandpit, Amen.

 

[lafl333]

You had the nerve...kudos!!!! Now lets see if they heard ya..

 

[WomanOfHeart]

I haven't even been around as long as cskent, but I guess I've been around long enough that I want to know everything I can about the mods I'm considering. Before I even started seriously looking at mods, I was reading about the Joule's and Ohm's laws, what LR and HV attys do and how they function, voltages, the different types of batteries and how everything fits together. I even learned how to use a multimeter! My purpose in doing that was to make sure that I knew what I was doing so I didn't get in over my head. Believe me, I've seen plenty of people on this forum do just that, and then they wonder why they keep losing attys or why their mod isn't working right.

 

[lafl333]

And..maybe someone will take a liking to my OLD idea of a NETFLIX type deal...and let us RENT A PIECE

 

[EMTJH]

And..maybe someone will take a liking to my OLD idea of a NETFLIX type deal...and let us RENT A PIECE

This is a GREAT idea!

 

[n2xe]

OK, it's all about heat so here's how it breaks down...

Your standard 3.7 volt 3 ohm 510 atty gives you 4.5 watts (what?, watts. Watts is heat)
Go to a LR atty and were talking a blistering 9 watts give or take.

All this assumes a fresh battery and a battery that can supply what the atty wants which is why a standard 510 battery wont drive a LR atty. It doesn't have the horsepower required. (to get all supplier technical on ya, its internal resistance is to high...)

 

[WomanOfHeart]

And..maybe someone will take a liking to my OLD idea of a NETFLIX type deal...and let us RENT A PIECE

Somehow, that last part just doesn't sound right...

Didn't mean to hijack the thread...just couldn't help myself.

Go about the your business...nothing to see here....

 

[lafl333]

Somehow, that last part just doesn't sound right...

Didn't mean to hijack the thread...just couldn't help myself.

Go about the your business...nothing to see here....

Not that silly....a PV...a MOD...that us poor folk might not be able to go broke on but would like to try.

 

[lafl333]

and it's just the MOD or PV...the customer naturally supplies the atty and mouthpiece...or that also could be had from the vendor. Gotta go home now...byeee

 

[floridamale]

Originally Posted by lafl333
...and let us RENT A PIECE

Not that silly....a PV...a MOD...that us poor folk might not be able to go broke on but would like to try.

I see that statement went over your head or at the very least you were not thinking along the same lines as WomanOfHeart

 

[Sandpit]

I am not saying the extended info is bad. I am saying that I don't want to weed through 6 hours of webpages reading about how a LR atty at x ohms will result in 6.2341251252 volts at 76% peak power.
I just purchased a new model and one of the main reasons I stay away from mods is because I tend to ask what time it is and 5 hours later I know how to build an atomic regulated clock but still don't know what time it is. I know there are more like me on here. If the vendors would take a cue from this and break things down into simpler terms instead of making a customer ask 50 question from fellow forum members jsut to find out if a specific 5 volt mod will work with their 808 cartomizers they would sell more. It is VERY daunting to delve into all the techno babble and geek speak just to try and get a few answers. If they don't wnat to "dumb" things down that's fine but I guarantee they would have better sales figures if they did. Yes you can peruse websites such as Best Buy, Wal Mart, Target, etc. and get extremely detailed information regarding a product OR you can do minimal research and discover that you want a 1080 LCD 75Hz television and it will be perfect for you. The info is offered simplistic for those that don't want to do quantum mechanics AND is offered in great detail for those that want to know exactly which resistor is is used on the transformer to conduct 110 volts of electricity to formulate a picture of Angelina Jolie in a mini skirt on your screen.
That's my whole point. I just want to know how many volts your mod is, what tips I can use on it, and be able to buy ALL of the required parts from you to make it work. Not look at this website, order this battery, search google for this charger, order five atties from this vendor for 3.7V then order 5 more from the other vendor for 5V. See how this gets confusing? I'm just trying to make a suggestion to the vendors to help them help us.
The new PV I just ordered was ordered because the company offered me every part I needed in one spot, explained in simplicity how to use it, AND offered more detailed information once I narrowed my choices down. That's $150 another company MIGHT have received had they been more user friendly in their marketing. Now I know that if any of the items I have for my new PV has an issue I only deal with one company. Not tracking down company A who blames it on company B, who then refers me to company C because the failed part is not from their line.

 

[OldDragon]

My biggest problem with sites TELL US what connector family the part belongs to - 510, 808,... and all the other model numbers that I don't use. Too many KOOL names for your products, I could care less about your bloog, twister ect... All I really want to know is will it fit MY e-cig.

 

[floridamale]

I am happy you found all you needed at one spot good for you. However a lot of Mod builders are not full line suppliers nor do they want to be. They will sell you a great mod that fits your needs a battery maybe a charger and that is it. They don't care about supplying a 100 different parts they don't want the hassel.

 

[Sandpit]

That's getting right at the basis of my point Dragon. I want to know what's going to work with what I want to use. Not what you want me to use. I think the simplest info gets lost in all of the tech jargon and many vendors don't understand that. It is akin to a professor teaching. Yes the professor is much more knowledgeable about their subject tan the average student but they need ot break the information down so that the student can understand and process the information. I don't go into an intro physics class expecting to come out a quantatative genius. I expect to come out with basic knowledge that I can use.
When I shop for a car yes I want to know tech details such as HP, MPG, and basics such as accessories offered. What I don't need or want to know is the exact gear differential of the transmission, the exact fuel to air ratio for a carburetor, or the exact spray pattern of the fuel injectors. I DO, however, want to know if it is going to meet the basic needs and wants pertinent to ME. For those that DO want to know all the detailed specs more power to you. There's nothing wrong with that but the average consumer doesn't want to know and really doesn't need to know to make an educated purchase.

 

[Sandpit]

Florida, if they don't then that's perfectly acceptable for them to do that. They WILL lose potential customers for that very reason though. Again, I am trying to help them help me. The vendors that listen and adjust their sales approach will fare better than those that don't. I know I am not the only one who feels this way and you can easily ascertain that people new to this are EXTREMELY overwhelmed by all of the information thrown at them. Just read the new user forum some time or even the ask for a review threads. I am merely pointing out an issue and loss of communication between some of the suppliers and their customers. They are free to run their business as they see fit but the consumer is free to spend their money where they see fit also.

 

[WomanOfHeart]

Originally Posted by lafl333
...and let us RENT A PIECE




I see that statement went over your head or at the very least you were not thinking along the same lines as WomanOfHeart

At least my mind has some company in the gutter...

 

[WomanOfHeart]

That's getting right at the basis of my point Dragon. I want to know what's going to work with what I want to use. Not what you want me to use. I think the simplest info gets lost in all of the tech jargon and many vendors don't understand that. It is akin to a professor teaching. Yes the professor is much more knowledgeable about their subject tan the average student but they need ot break the information down so that the student can understand and process the information. I don't go into an intro physics class expecting to come out a quantatative genius. I expect to come out with basic knowledge that I can use.
When I shop for a car yes I want to know tech details such as HP, MPG, and basics such as accessories offered. What I don't need or want to know is the exact gear differential of the transmission, the exact fuel to air ratio for a carburetor, or the exact spray pattern of the fuel injectors. I DO, however, want to know if it is going to meet the basic needs and wants pertinent to ME. For those that DO want to know all the detailed specs more power to you. There's nothing wrong with that but the average consumer doesn't want to know and really doesn't need to know to make an educated purchase.

You do bring up a very good point here. Not everyone is technically inclined nor has the desire to become so. I work in the tech field, I'm surrounded by "techie" stuff at work and at home, and I love it. It's interesting to me, so I don't mind the jargon or looking up terms that aren't familiar to me. At work I often have to bring things down a level (or two) so users will understand what I'm telling them. I can understand how someone would get so overwhelmed that they'd just leave the site and could result in a lost sale. I can also see where contacting the vendor might make the difference, too. I know that doesn't help the immediate need, but most vendors are willing to answer any questions and some of them will even get on the phone to do this.