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Nova Scotia Lung Association - E-cigarette Workshop January 21

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Hey folks, the Nova Scotia Lung Association is hosting a workshop to discuss E-cigarettes on January 21st, 6pm at NSCC - IT Campus.

Lung Association planning e-cigarette workshop - Local - The Register/Advertiser


If interested in attending, you will need to RSVP. Email them through their online form: Contact Us

This looks very interesting, glad that the NSLA is making an effort to listen to people, rather than do a knee jerk slam against e-cigs.

If you go to this event, c-girl, would you mind following up with a post about how things go at the meeting?

Cheers!

-- Glenn
 

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No, but Switcher found out that the forum topics will be:

1. Harm reduction: Is an e-cigarette a harm reduction device?

2. Smoking cessation: Does an e-cigarette aid in quitting?

3. Re-normalization: Is it an issue with e-cigarettes?

4. E-cigarette regulation: Is it necessary?

5. tobacco companies’ involvement in e-cigarettes: Is it a concern?
 

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No, but Switcher found out that the forum topics will be:

1. Harm reduction: Is an e-cigarette a harm reduction device?

2. Smoking cessation: Does an e-cigarette aid in quitting?

3. Re-normalization: Is it an issue with e-cigarettes?

4. E-cigarette regulation: Is it necessary?

5. Tobacco companies’ involvement in e-cigarettes: Is it a concern?

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1. Yes.
2. Yes.
3. Mostly No, but nothing is truly guarenteed there well always be a small % who this may affect.
4. Some Yes, nutritional info etc.
5. Yes, BT lied for many years about what's in cigs, who knows what they might put in liquids.

Best I can do from TO, lol.

Only 2 minutes so sum up best u can lots of good proper info here on ECF.
 

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I hope to attend, but I have a few details to work out before I register (I am 275 Km away).

Here is the information provided by the NSLA regarding the event:

E-CIGARETTES: A BLESSING OR A CURSE?


Details of the public forum event

A vital component of the mission of the Lung Association of Nova Scotia (LANS) is to provide information to Nova Scotians on topics relating to lung health. With increasing frequency, LANS has been receiving questions about e-cigarettes from the public. With limited research on the emerging product and its proliferation in the market, there is a need to better understand the potential usefulness and risks of e-cigarettes. The question is clear: are e-cigarettes helpful or harmful? There are five critical topics that fuel the e-cigarette debate: harm reduction, smoking cessation, re-normalization, e-cigarette regulation, and tobacco companies’ involvement with e-cigarettes. These topics are frequently captured by online forums, conferences, and the media.

Through the public discussion, “E-cigarettes a blessing or a curse?” the Lung Association of Nova Scotia invites you to speak on one of the five e-cigarettes topics while choosing a “proponent” or “opponent” side. You can also feel free to join us as part of the audience and engage in general discussions. The purpose of the public discussion is to better inform the Lung Association’s position regarding e-cigarettes and generate valuable advice about the product to Nova Scotians. Ultimately our goal is to improve the lung health of Nova Scotians.

Agenda

6:00-6:30pm: Check in
6:30-6:40pm: Opening remarks
6:40-8:10pm Exploring the five critical topics
Each topic will begin with an opening statement. We will then explore each issue in the following order:

1. Harm reduction: Is an e-cigarette a harm reduction device?

2. Smoking cessation: Does an e-cigarette aid in quitting?

3. Re-normalization: Is it an issue with e-cigarettes?

4. E-cigarette regulation: Is it necessary?

5. Tobacco companies’ involvement in e-cigarettes: Is it a concern?



Ideally we will have two proponents and two opponents speak on each topic (a total of four speakers). Each speaker will be provided with two minutes. This will be followed by 10 minutes of general discussion per topics.

8:10pm-8:25pm: Burning questions, additional comments
8:25pm-8:30pm: Closing remarks

Assumptions and guiding principles


· All positions and opinions are most welcome

· E-cigarettes are a complex issue

· We have much to gain by educating the people of Nova Scotia regarding e-cigarettes.

· There is a great value in listening, talking and working together

· Each speaker will be asked to declare their affiliations (no affiliations are restricted in this forum)

· Each speaker should be cognisant of the time allocated to each side

· Each speaker should attempt to use logical arguments or evidence to guide their perspective

· The audience are encouraged to join the general discussions following each session

· A spirit of respect and desire to make Nova Scotia a healthier place to live is the over arching goal.

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The way I see it is that rather than request information, they have split it to "Blessing" and "Curse" and ask people to choose sides as proponent and opponent. "Contempt prior to investigation" is never the answer.

I would prefer to see them provide information from all the research around the world and allow people to decide from that.There HAS been research done since 2009 but you would never know it from listening to officials.
 

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Would like to thank the Lung Association of Nova Scotia (#nslung) for a well-organized opportunity for a balanced discussion of #ecigarettes, as well as those speakers who took the time to show up.
Unfortunately, Minister Leo Glavine and Dept of Health & Wellness (#dhwnovascotia) representatives didn't see fit to attend.

#missed_opportunity
 

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I just got back to Moncton. It was a treat to participate in the discussion hosted by the N.S. Lung Association. I don't have the chance here in N.B. because the CEO of the N.B. Lung Association has already decided that e-cigs are more harmful than traditional cigarettes.

I am hopeful that the discussion will have at least some influence on the NSLA and that they can begin to recommend e-cigs as a harm reduction option to people.

It was Great to meet some fellow vapers!
 

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....I don't have the chance here in N.B. because the CEO of the N.B. Lung Association has already decided that e-cigs are more harmful than traditional cigarettes....

Ouch! Has the NBLA CEO explained why he/she takes that position? I can't imagine it's a science-based argument, because AFAIK there's no body of conclusive studies proving that e-cigs pose a significant health risk.

How were you received in NS? Did you feel, like Bogmonster, that e-cigs got a fair hearing?

-- Glenn
 

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Ouch! Has the NBLA CEO explained why he/she takes that position? I can't imagine it's a science-based argument, because AFAIK there's no body of conclusive studies proving that e-cigs pose a significant health risk.

How were you received in NS? Did you feel, like Bogmonster, that e-cigs got a fair hearing?

-- Glenn

The latest round in N.B. started with this CBC story:

E-cigarette seller fights Health Canada order to stop - New Brunswick - CBC News

The comments to the story were nearly all positive! So they ran this story from NBLA and didn't allow comments!:

E-cigarette risks unknown, cautions N.B. Lung Association - New Brunswick - CBC News

The CEO's comments are about half way down the column. She failed to mention that if they contained several hundred carcinogens; they would still be less harmful than traditional cigarettes!

Interestingly enough, although comments aren't allowed, there is a poll to the right side of the column and about 80% of people replied that e-cigs were, "Good alternative to tobacco cigarettes for smokers trying to quit".

As for the workshop, it was very friendly and open, but the NSLA CEO commented a few times that, "so, they are a smoking cessation device", and I think that is the main point that they will take forward to push for the "medical device" restrictions. Just my intuition on the conclusions they may form. Others may feel differently.

My main concern was that there was not one "policy maker" in attendance which seems to further my suspicion that the decisions on e-cigs will be made in places far removed from public input. E-cig proponents traveled from Ontario, New Brunswick and New Glasgow while the "policy makers" in the capital city wouldn't travel across town to attend. They spoke louder than us, by their absence!
JMHO
 
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When I get some time i'm going to track down this woman's NBLA email address. She says that some people have 'cut down' their smoking using e-cigs? That comment is either lazy, because it's easy to find accounts of many people quitting smoking entirely, or it's straight up dishonest.

I plan to send her an email explaining that e-cigs have helped me do far more than just 'cut down.'

-- Glenn



The latest round in N.B. started with this CBC story:

E-cigarette seller fights Health Canada order to stop - New Brunswick - CBC News

The comments to the story were nearly all positive! So they ran this story from NBLA and didn't allow comments!:

E-cigarette risks unknown, cautions N.B. Lung Association - New Brunswick - CBC News

The CEO's comments are about half way down the column. She failed to mention that if they contained several hundred carcinogens; they would still be less harmful than traditional cigarettes! ....
 

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When I get some time i'm going to track down this woman's NBLA email address. She says that some people have 'cut down' their smoking using e-cigs? That comment is either lazy, because it's easy to find accounts of many people quitting smoking entirely, or it's straight up dishonest.

I plan to send her an email explaining that e-cigs have helped me do far more than just 'cut down.'

-- Glenn

My comment in the first story (where comments were allowed, obviously):

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stevexfe

Nobody says e-cigs are harmless, but they are certainly less harm than cigarettes. Health Canada doesn't even have the will to make smoking illegal for minors, yet they throw stumbling blocks at attempts to quit smoking.

The Canadian Lung Association (as well as their provincial affiliates) should be ashamed of impeding ANY stop smoking strategy.

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and I might as well throw in a copy of my e-mail to the Canadian Lung Association (Last year) after they released an article, during National Non-Smoking Week, discouraging people from using e-cigs!

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Dear Ms. Hass
WOW! I read the recent article about e-cigs for National Non-Smoking week. I cannot believe that the CLA would discourage people from using any means available to stop smoking. In fact the article doesn't even discourage people from smoking. It discourages them from using e-cigs to stop smoking. It doesn't even have one bad thing to say about smoking! Just that e-cigs are bad! I encourage the people that I love to quit smoking using any means possible.
As you know, many Canadians have used all of the approved methods and are unable to quit. Tens of thousands of these hard core smokers have been able to quit smoking by using e-cigs. It may not, as you point out, be 100% safe but it is definitely less harmful than smoking!
I do not have contact info for Dr. Moraes so perhaps you can pass along the info that several ADULTS like candy like flavours too. The fact that Health Canada has unintentionally legalized their use by children while at the same time preventing adults (who wish to quit smoking) from obtaining e-cigs with nicotine is another example of not thinking over the consequences of their premature actions. If they contained nicotine, their sale to minors could be prohibited while also being available to adults who wished to have them. The flavours are one of the points that help the most to keep adults off of cigarettes. The idea that they would attract people to use something that tastes as awful as a cigarette is ridiculous!
Please check on the studies being done (I am presently involved in 2 of them) and provide people with useful information on harm reduction strategies.
Please stop endangering people’s lives by discouraging them from using any means available to stop smoking.
Thank You.

********** I removed my name and address for this post but it was included in the e-mail.

I have heard that they are considering "loosening their stance" on e-cigs. I think they should "Get A Grip"!
Again, Shame on them!
 

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You can email her at: barb.mackinnon@nb.lung.ca

Here's what I sent her...

Dear Ms. MacKinnon,

I read your comments on the CBC website today with great alarm. How is it possible that in 2014 the CEO of the Lung Association could be “cautioning smokers against switching to e-cigarettes”?

Surely you can’t truly believe that smoking tobacco is safer than using e-cigarettes. If a tobacco company made the same claim, they’d be in court tomorrow.

"It is unknown what health effects these products have, or even if they do help people quit smoking, although I have heard anecdotally that some people have cut down their smoking by using these," she said.

The health effects have been studied. People are using them to quit. There have been clinical trials reported in peer-reviewed journals. Even a casual search of the internet will lead you to dozens of studies. Long term data are not available of course, but the findings to date are entirely promising.

"And I think this is the basis for the Health Canada warnings, especially those e-cigarettes that contain nicotine because the dosage varies in each of these e-cigarettes. You can have low-dose or high-dose."

If you mean that the user can decide what strength of nicotine to use, you’re right. And that’s a good thing. If you mean that the strength stated on the label may be incorrect, you’re right again. And vapers want that corrected.

But if you’re talking about the minor variations that have been reported in the literature, that’s not really a concern. We don’t demand that every cup of Tim Horton’s coffee contain an exact dose of caffeine. If your coffee is too strong, you don’t drink all of it. If it’s too weak, you drink a second cup. With nicotine, the user self-titrates—they stop puffing when they are satisfied.

If you’re trying to frighten people into thinking they could be poisoned by an e-cigarette, you are being irresponsible.

"Some of the chemicals in them are actually carcinogens." So do nicotine inhalers, gums, and patches. The key is the dose. It’s vanishingly small in e-cigs and NRT compared to tobacco cigarettes.

“She hopes research will be done. Meanwhile, she is calling on the provincial government to add e-cigarettes to the ban on smoking in public places.”

If, as the science suggests, e-cigarettes pose no danger to the user or to bystanders, why banish those trying to escape tobacco back to the smoking pit?

We know that e-cigarettes are orders of magnitude safer than smoking. I find it deeply disturbing that the New Brunswick Lung Association is using its authority to discourage smokers from switching to a better alternative.

-Chris
 
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