Now is the Time To Act! I am Serious! **updated**
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Really great to hear that news. Thanks for talking to him on our behalf
Stephanie
^ youre welcome 
A special thanks to BandBsMom for posting about the townhall meeting tonight; thank you B&BsMom, it's very much appreciated!
A special thanks to BandBsMom for posting about the townhall meeting tonight; thank you B&BsMom, it's very much appreciated!
I've sent letters, too, but in regard to page 82, section 910, that someone quoted earlier, I don't see how this product falls into this category since it's clearly not tobacco. True, it's nicotine, but it is NOT tobacco. It doesn't produce smoke, either, so it seems to NOT fall under this section,either:
It MIGHT fall under this
Of course, it really doesn't matter at all what I say, because they may not see it this way at all.
Also, when were these products introduced here in the US? I really remember seeing them (what seems to be) quite a while ago, but I don't really know. But it seems as if I remember seeing them in 2007 or possibly earlier.
It MIGHT fall under this
section, but that's very broad.
Of course, it really doesn't matter at all what I say, because they may not see it this way at all.
Also, when were these products introduced here in the US? I really remember seeing them (what seems to be) quite a while ago, but I don't really know. But it seems as if I remember seeing them in 2007 or possibly earlier.
^ youre welcome
A special thanks to BandBsMom for posting about the townhall meeting tonight; thank you B&BsMom, it's very much appreciated!
Ahh shucks your welcome. I tried to make it up there but my daughters doctor took forever replacing her cast, errr. I'm glad someone went though, it's good to know where our senator stands on the issue. I will be sending him a letter with my thoughts on the subject as well.
@B&B'sMom - Sorry to hear about daughter having a cast Hope she gets better soon.
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Hope she gets better soon. @all - email regarding this thread and its subject has been queued and will be sent out a little after 8pm eastern time to my newsletter subscribers.
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Fenez, you ever watched an hours worth of tv before? There are lawyers everywhere suing new drug companies every day for the effects that an FDA approved drug had on the masses. FDA approval doesn't affect your liability.
While the idea of a coalition of vendors self-regulating to me doesn't sound like it's going to wow anyone into protecting us from legislation, I certainly see only good coming from contacting our elected officials.
FDA regulation of niccotine sounds great doesn't it. It's one of those issues that if you have no idea what your constituents think, you're going to vote for. Vote against it, and when you run next year, your opponent's going to slam you for it. However, if you are overloaded with opinions from your consituents to the contrary, and (this is even more important) the general public understands why you might want to vote against it, than you might just choose to vote against it. Definitely everyone write these letters.
More importantly, let's get some well written press releases out about the dangerous unintended consequences of this bill - ie limitation of alternatives to smoking, the propensity for niccotine level regulation and the end result of an addict consuming higher levels of carbon monoxide and tar to receive the same level of niccotine. Maybe we send some (still well written) press releases about the possible conspiratory nature of the bill (see above, addict buys twice the cigarettes and the general public actually feels safer while having to smoke twice as many cigarettes, and what do you know Altria actually supports this legislation. Isn't Tropical Bob a reporter? Anyone else a writer here, too?
On an aside, I had a thought about the siezures at customs. If this bill is defeated, and the siezures stop, let's take a lesson from Margaret Sanger. (I'm certainly no fan of her values, just her method in this instance.) Why not use this new alliance you've created, and bring in a big order or devices and liiquid from a watched supplier that's clearly labelled "ELECTRONIC CIGARETTES FOR RESALE," and sue the FDA for stopping it, and get this all over with once and for all!
The location of the manufacturing of these products keeps coming up as if that has some bearing on their ability for an NDA submission. Most of the drugs for sale in this country come India, Israel, etc. This has no bearing on anything at all. Neither does the location of the corporation. Many approved drugs are imported from foreign facilities by foreign companies. I don't understand what the point is that is supposed to being made by pointing out that these products are produced in China. ????
Looked back over this, and maybe I see what you're saying, but you can get an NDA without being the original manufacturer - many of the drugs out there today are contract manufactured. I used to work for a generic pharmaceutical company that didn't own a manufacturing facility anywhere, but we were listed in the Orange Book. This makes no difference either.
Our current average NDA approval time is now around 12 months, six if it's expedited (Jonesing smokers is not cause for expediation....) The FDA doesn't publish submissions for NDAs until they're approved. How do you know no one has an application right now. On the right to vape site, someone located an RJ reynolds patent that appears to describe an electornic cigarette, Ruyan supposedly has lawyers on staff that specialize in dealings with the FDA - how do we know that there are no applications in right now. My money's on RJ Reynolds, but seriosuly, anyone could, and it really doesn't matter if they're a US based company or not.
I can't help but wonder what the formation of the ECA will mean to we the consumers in regard to the price of e-products.
persoanll i am waiting to see if the ECa will actually do us any good or hurt us with respects to actual control vs approval. right now i am with holding judgement
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Following several news stories stating that Kennedy would introduce his own FDA tobacco bill in the US Senate today, it now appears that the Senate will act on the Waxman bill (H.R. 1256) instead (that passed the House last month), as Majority Leader Harry Reid just invoked Rule 14 for H.R. 1256 so it bypasses the Senate HELP Committee and goes directly to the floor of the Senate.
Seems like supporters of the Waxman/Kennedy legislation (Kennedy's bill would likely have been 90% the same as Waxman's bill) were concerned that there weren't enough votes in the HELP Cmte to prevent harm reduction amendments from being passed.
Will post more when info becomes available.
Seems like supporters of the Waxman/Kennedy legislation (Kennedy's bill would likely have been 90% the same as Waxman's bill) were concerned that there weren't enough votes in the HELP Cmte to prevent harm reduction amendments from being passed.
Will post more when info becomes available.
Do you not view passage of this bill as very bad news for harm reduction products?
TBob, did you see this post by Bill?
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...ll-godshall-tobaccofree-org-4.html#post207509
It sounds to me like he thinks the Burr/Hagan bill (or amendments incorporating its thrust) is necessary to further harm reduction strategies, but that Waxman, if passed unamended would indeed be very bad news.
Edit: TBob, I have to correct my mistake - Godshall does talk about the Burr/Hagan bill in the post I referred you to, but I was mistakenly confusing it with the defeated Buyer bill, which did have good harm reduction proposals.
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...ll-godshall-tobaccofree-org-4.html#post207509
It sounds to me like he thinks the Burr/Hagan bill (or amendments incorporating its thrust) is necessary to further harm reduction strategies, but that Waxman, if passed unamended would indeed be very bad news.
Edit: TBob, I have to correct my mistake - Godshall does talk about the Burr/Hagan bill in the post I referred you to, but I was mistakenly confusing it with the defeated Buyer bill, which did have good harm reduction proposals.
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I did see the other post, thanks. I know Buyer got shot down in the House, but surely hope the Burr amendment can stall the stampede to Senate passage of the Waxman bill. I was hoping Bill could shed more light on the ramifications of passage in the present form.
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