Now is the Time To Act! I am Serious! **updated**
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I nominate "Letzin Hale" (Alan) as official copy writer for press releases!
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That was a PM, I assume to all suppliers. I don't see anything private about it.
I think everyone here is looking for full disclosure and this message looks official with new information that everyone here should be aware of. I'm not passing judgment, just posting info. I do not post PMs but in this case, after some consideration and reading all the posts about ECA, I made the call to post this. I may get banned, I don't know - but at least disclosure and transparency will get served. I think that's part of the ECA mission anyway.
I think everyone here is looking for full disclosure and this message looks official with new information that everyone here should be aware of. I'm not passing judgment, just posting info. I do not post PMs but in this case, after some consideration and reading all the posts about ECA, I made the call to post this. I may get banned, I don't know - but at least disclosure and transparency will get served. I think that's part of the ECA mission anyway.
Interesting article I happened upon while searching for the actual text of the Waxman bill: "Waxman’s anti-smoking bill may do more harm than good." From the article: "Perhaps the notion that members don’t read the legislation they vote on is an outside-the-Beltway myth. But if you were asked to vote on tobacco legislation without having the opportunity to read it — knowing only that the bill was supported by Altria (Philip Morris) and opposed by the head of the Food and Drug Administration (FDA), how would you vote?" (The bill is supported by Altria and opposed by the FDA.)
Good ammo to use in contacting our legislators!
Vape on,
~~Cheryl
Good ammo to use in contacting our legislators!
Vape on,
~~Cheryl
thank you kate,
i didnt realise that was the explanation of the "ECA" urgent rally for help!
There seems to be a bit of a disconnect between what they are, what they think they are, what they're saying and what is possible from their perspective.
I hope they get sorted out, I'd really like to see traders co-operate to encourage (not enforce) good standards.
I hope they get sorted out, I'd really like to see traders co-operate to encourage (not enforce) good standards.
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Following is the latest news on the FDA tobacco legislative situation in the US Senate. Not sure if the full Senate will consider Waxman's bill or if the Senate will act on Kennedy's not-yet-introduced bill (which likely would have to go through the HELP Cmte before reaching the full Senate).
Although I gave Jim Carroll the heads up and urged him to write this article, he chose not to even mention our opposition to the Waxman/Kennedy legislation and our efforts to amend it in the Senate (with smokefree tobacco/nicotine product provisions).
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Senate set to speed up tobacco measure
Bill would allow federal regulation of all products
By James R. Carroll
jcarroll@courier-journal.com
Louisville Courier-Journal
April 26, 2009
Senate set to speed up tobacco measure | courier-journal.com | The Courier-Journal
WASHINGTON -- The Senate plans to expedite legislation that would give the federal government the power to regulate tobacco products.
Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., has told supporters of the legislation, which passed the House on April 2 on a 298-112 vote, that the matter will be taken up before the end of May.
Bipartisan backing for the bill is strong in the Senate, so the measure is likely to pass and be signed into law by President Barack Obama, who also supports it.
The legislation would give the federal Food and Drug Administration the authority to regulate the manufacturing, marketing and sales of tobacco products. Congressional deliberations are being closely watched in tobacco-growing states such as Kentucky, the second-leading producer of the leaf.
Reid met with representatives of the American Heart Association in his Capitol office last week.
"He was quite straightforward in saying that he knew, of course, the bill had passed the House and he hoped to do it in the next five weeks," said Derek Scholes, a lobbyist with the association.
Jim Manley, spokesman for Reid, confirmed that Senate action is slated for next month.
Bill ready for vote
The only question is whether the House-passed bill, sponsored by Rep. Henry Waxman, D-Calif., will be taken up by the Senate or whether a separate and basically identical Senate measure will be voted on instead.
Reid has invoked a Senate rule that allows the Waxman bill to be considered on the Senate floor without first being approved by the Senate Health, Education, Labor and Pensions Committee, whose chairman is Sen. Edward Kennedy, D-Mass.
Kennedy spokeswoman Melissa Wagoner said last week that the senator still intends to introduce his own measure, as he did last year.
It was essentially the same as Waxman's plan.
While the House approved Waxman's bill last year, the Senate ran out of time and never took up Kennedy's bill.
Manley said no final decision has been made on the legislative procedures in the Senate for considering the tobacco bill.
Scholes said his association and Reid "didn't get too much into the weeds on that." But he added that "we're very excited we may finally see the bill go through this Senate."
Stepping up pressure
As a sign of intensifying lobbying for the measure, supporters have begun running ads in Washington-based publications to urge senators to act.
In one ad, a girl looks into the camera, standing next to these words: "You have the power to protect me from America's #1 cause of preventable death. Senators, it's time for FDA regulation of tobacco."
The ad is sponsored by the American Heart Association, American Lung Association, the Campaign for Tobacco-Free Kids, the Cancer Action Network of the American Cancer Society and the Robert Wood Johnson Foundation.
Another ad shows rows of schoolhouses and says: "7,000 kids have smoked their first cigarette since yesterday."
Matthew Myers, president of the Campaign for Tobacco-Free Kids, said that the bill has been debated in the Senate for years and that now is the time to act.
"Congress has a lot on its plate this year," Myers said. "The goal of our advertising campaign is to ensure that the tobacco bill gets the attention it deserves."
How it would work
If passed, the legislation would empower the FDA to restrict tobacco advertising and marketing -- particularly any that it determines to be targeting children.
The FDA also would have the authority to require larger and more graphic warnings on cigarette packs and demand disclosure of tobacco product ingredients.
The agency would not regulate tobacco farmers and would not be allowed to ban tobacco.
The cost of the regulation would be covered by fees imposed on the tobacco manufacturers and importers.
Reporter James R. Carroll can be reached at (202) 906-8141
Although I gave Jim Carroll the heads up and urged him to write this article, he chose not to even mention our opposition to the Waxman/Kennedy legislation and our efforts to amend it in the Senate (with smokefree tobacco/nicotine product provisions).
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Senate set to speed up tobacco measure
Bill would allow federal regulation of all products
By James R. Carroll
jcarroll@courier-journal.com
Louisville Courier-Journal
April 26, 2009
Senate set to speed up tobacco measure | courier-journal.com | The Courier-Journal
WASHINGTON -- The Senate plans to expedite legislation that would give the federal government the power to regulate tobacco products.
Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., has told supporters of the legislation, which passed the House on April 2 on a 298-112 vote, that the matter will be taken up before the end of May.
Bipartisan backing for the bill is strong in the Senate, so the measure is likely to pass and be signed into law by President Barack Obama, who also supports it.
The legislation would give the federal Food and Drug Administration the authority to regulate the manufacturing, marketing and sales of tobacco products. Congressional deliberations are being closely watched in tobacco-growing states such as Kentucky, the second-leading producer of the leaf.
Reid met with representatives of the American Heart Association in his Capitol office last week.
"He was quite straightforward in saying that he knew, of course, the bill had passed the House and he hoped to do it in the next five weeks," said Derek Scholes, a lobbyist with the association.
Jim Manley, spokesman for Reid, confirmed that Senate action is slated for next month.
Bill ready for vote
The only question is whether the House-passed bill, sponsored by Rep. Henry Waxman, D-Calif., will be taken up by the Senate or whether a separate and basically identical Senate measure will be voted on instead.
Reid has invoked a Senate rule that allows the Waxman bill to be considered on the Senate floor without first being approved by the Senate Health, Education, Labor and Pensions Committee, whose chairman is Sen. Edward Kennedy, D-Mass.
Kennedy spokeswoman Melissa Wagoner said last week that the senator still intends to introduce his own measure, as he did last year.
It was essentially the same as Waxman's plan.
While the House approved Waxman's bill last year, the Senate ran out of time and never took up Kennedy's bill.
Manley said no final decision has been made on the legislative procedures in the Senate for considering the tobacco bill.
Scholes said his association and Reid "didn't get too much into the weeds on that." But he added that "we're very excited we may finally see the bill go through this Senate."
Stepping up pressure
As a sign of intensifying lobbying for the measure, supporters have begun running ads in Washington-based publications to urge senators to act.
In one ad, a girl looks into the camera, standing next to these words: "You have the power to protect me from America's #1 cause of preventable death. Senators, it's time for FDA regulation of tobacco."
The ad is sponsored by the American Heart Association, American Lung Association, the Campaign for Tobacco-Free Kids, the Cancer Action Network of the American Cancer Society and the Robert Wood Johnson Foundation.
Another ad shows rows of schoolhouses and says: "7,000 kids have smoked their first cigarette since yesterday."
Matthew Myers, president of the Campaign for Tobacco-Free Kids, said that the bill has been debated in the Senate for years and that now is the time to act.
"Congress has a lot on its plate this year," Myers said. "The goal of our advertising campaign is to ensure that the tobacco bill gets the attention it deserves."
How it would work
If passed, the legislation would empower the FDA to restrict tobacco advertising and marketing -- particularly any that it determines to be targeting children.
The FDA also would have the authority to require larger and more graphic warnings on cigarette packs and demand disclosure of tobacco product ingredients.
The agency would not regulate tobacco farmers and would not be allowed to ban tobacco.
The cost of the regulation would be covered by fees imposed on the tobacco manufacturers and importers.
Reporter James R. Carroll can be reached at (202) 906-8141
I've posted a diary on Dailykos and ask anyone who might have accounts there to feel free to come over and support.
Daily Kos: Waxman’s gift to Marlboro
Bear in mind this is a liberal blog so ideally we'll want people to comment in a liberal frame of reference. I'm looking to gain support from liberals not turn them against e-cigs.
I don't see this as a left/right issue obviously there are supporters of E-cigs on both sides of the political spectrum and there are arguments to be made from either political stance against them. Just remember arguments that are effective when discussing the issue with Republican's or Libertarians will not be effective when dealing with Democrats and other liberals who are automatically suspicious of certain right wing framing.
My suggestion when dealing with us liberals is to point out the big tobacco/big pharma angle we tend to be very distrustful of large corporations, Also bear in mind that many of us have high oppinions of people like Waxman and attacking him is likely to produce a negative reaction.
Sourcing matters. No liberal takes anything from sources like NewsCorp (Fox News) or CATO on face value we have a long experience with these organizations distorting issues we're familiar with.
Also if you happen to be of a more liberal mindset please join the Progressive Vapors social group I've created here on ECF as a place to coordinate campaining from a more liberal perspective.
Daily Kos: Waxman’s gift to Marlboro
Bear in mind this is a liberal blog so ideally we'll want people to comment in a liberal frame of reference. I'm looking to gain support from liberals not turn them against e-cigs.
I don't see this as a left/right issue obviously there are supporters of E-cigs on both sides of the political spectrum and there are arguments to be made from either political stance against them. Just remember arguments that are effective when discussing the issue with Republican's or Libertarians will not be effective when dealing with Democrats and other liberals who are automatically suspicious of certain right wing framing.
My suggestion when dealing with us liberals is to point out the big tobacco/big pharma angle we tend to be very distrustful of large corporations, Also bear in mind that many of us have high oppinions of people like Waxman and attacking him is likely to produce a negative reaction.
Sourcing matters. No liberal takes anything from sources like NewsCorp (Fox News) or CATO on face value we have a long experience with these organizations distorting issues we're familiar with.
Also if you happen to be of a more liberal mindset please join the Progressive Vapors social group I've created here on ECF as a place to coordinate campaining from a more liberal perspective.
Please read this article about the banning of the e-cig Safe E-Cigarette to Be Banned in Favour of Regular Cigarettes - Associated Content
I could not agree more!
And just to let you know how serious the FDA is, here is my latest shipment of e-liquid:
PHILADELPHIA,
PA, US 04/15/2009 9:41 A.M.
UPS IS PROCESSING SHIPMENT FOR FUTURE SUBMISSION TO THE FOOD/DRUG ADMIN AND/OR DEPT OF AG PPQ 04/15/2009 9:25 A.M. UPS IS PROCESSING SHIPMENT FOR FUTURE SUBMISSION TO THE FOOD/DRUG ADMIN AND/OR DEPT OF AG PPQ 04/15/2009 9:11 A.M. SHIPMENT PENDING RELEASE FROM CLEARANCE AGENCY / BROKERAGE RELEASED SHIPMENT. SHIPMENT IS SUBMITTED TO CLEARING AGENCY FOR FURTHER CLEARANCE PHILADELPHIA,
PA, US 04/11/2009 6:04 P.M. SHIPMENT PENDING RELEASE FROM CLEARANCE AGENCY 04/11/2009 6:03 P.M. SHIPMENT PENDING RELEASE FROM CLEARANCE AGENCY 04/11/2009 4:37 P.M. IMPORT SCAN
Yes, they are serious! I received an email today stating,
" These items are on hold until such a time as the FDA/Dept of Agriculture Investigates"
So pay attention people.
It is getting bad.
Sincerely,
P.C.
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Nope,
My purchases come to my LLC Name, which has nothing to do with e-cigs.
And, my new site is:
Healthy Flavorings
At least it will be shortly.
Nope, they were held under a company name that has nothing to indicate what it is. The only thing that may have caused the investigation is listing the items a Vaporizer Refills. But under US Customs Law, you must be somewhat honest about what is inside unless you want to go to the big house.
Oh, and a note to suppliers. Someone is out to get us that much is certain!
In the last 2 weeks I have received 2 threats from Phillip Morris for using anything (Including abbreviations) resembling their products!
I like it! It is fresh, clean... not out there and "super healthy"... Once you start adding products, giving it a bit of weight, it will be a good looking site. Congrats! Are you going to change your tag line from "The Healthier Way to Smoke"?
They came after us about a year and a half ago or so... just do as they ask and they will leave you be.
But... don't forget they have the right to do that, so you can't really get mad at them for defending their territory.
Some are using variations of their names and I have seen variations of logos used as well. Now is the time to go through your sites and give them a good scrub down. Times are a changing!
Thanks & yes I did what they asked.
The new site will have nothing on there to do with e-smoking.
My thoughts for now are to offer a line of simply just that, flavorings.
Nicotine may be an option, but I am not sure yet.
If I can attract enough people (Seems to be some) who want to be done
with nicotine but still enjoy the flavor of vaping, then I have simply no worries, as everything on there will be FDA approved ingredients.
What you do with them is up to you, of course.
I stumbled on this today! Even my hope of there really being a e-liquid supplier in the USA was smashed today!?
E-liquid, electronic cigarette, accessories, mini E-cigar Manufacturer exporting direct from Hong Kong
Oh, well. Figures!
Hey... I am one of them. I have been eSmoking no nicotine for almost a month now. It is all about the action for me! If it weren't, I would have succeeded on the patch, the gum, cold turkey, etc. Too bad I love to smoke
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