Now that we own GM

[TDM]

Made i the usa on a label doesn't mean anything. I have drove truck for 20 years. I have seen alot of things. I love going into warehouses to pick up freight, Walk on the dock and see chinese workers unloading containers of product. Pull items made in china and taiwan out of crates. Slap made in USA Stickers and tags on it, repackage it and ship it out. Made in USA doesn't mean anything anymore.

Just like Harley Davidson used to advertise Made in the USA!! Not anymore they are just assembled in the USA

 

[Kate51]

Union fanboys are the ones that get laid off most frequently.

I could work steadily if I wanted to but I choose to work as a union shop steward because I am such a fanboy. As a shop steward that means when a job ends I get laid off and have to wait my turn for the next job.

IMHO it is a small sacrifice to make to be privileged to actually be one of the guys that gets to help 'do what we can' for the workers. It gives me personal satisfaction to be able to stand up for workers that would otherwise be taken advantage of. The kind of satisfaction that can not be bought with money.

DW

Well, you got that right, they do get laid off. When they're laid off, what do they live on??? When my work gets slow, I make nothing! Interesting.
You got your health insurance? I haven't had any at all for 3 years now, because the Teamsters thought I should pay $450 + and hundred a year markup for what was supposed to be $50 a month when my husband retired seven years ago. I guess things change. Sure do. Our pension doesn't go up, but the insurance almost broke us till I got so close to a nervous breakdown trying to pay it every month. So I just said, this is NUTS, getting sick over paying for insurance??? That is pretty nuts! I have cousins who used to work at the Janesville,Wi plant...it's closed now. But they used to LOVE the lay-off time. Or strike time. Whoo! Seemed like they lived pretty good otherwise. Forgot to save some money for retirement, though. Aw, it's not Unions fault, they have done GOOD things, I just wish Union label meant something besides how many millions of dollars went into "So-and-So's" campaign funds. This is where the rubber should meet the road, that's all I'm saying. WHAT, campaign reform? HA

 

[playerags]

Don't even try to tell me that the Unions are 100% innocent. Every new car that rolls off the lot, $1500 of that car goes to the retired workers health insurance fund. Guess medicare is only good enough for everyone but them. And that is just the tip of the iceburg. Paying uneducated people $30 bucks an hour to turn screws. I am not saying or did I ever blame it on the unions. But they are not innocent bystanders either. I am a subcontractor who works on union jobs. And you can definately tell who the union guys are.
The union has done great things for this country. Very great things. Just not in the last 50 years.

 

[gashin]

Yep. Unions have only been a burden on companies and the job market in recent decades,

Don't even try to tell me that the Unions are 100% innocent. Every new car that rolls off the lot, $1500 of that car goes to the retired workers health insurance fund. Guess medicare is only good enough for everyone but them. And that is just the tip of the iceburg. Paying uneducated people $30 bucks an hour to turn screws. I am not saying or did I ever blame it on the unions. But they are not innocent bystanders either. I am a subcontractor who works on union jobs. And you can definately tell who the union guys are.
The union has done great things for this country. Very great things. Just not in the last 50 years.

 

[Doc]

I am 100% against the bailouts and powergrabs of these used to be private companies. Now we own GM. I have driven GM vehicles my whole life. My question is:
If I protest the bailout of General Motors by never again buying a GM made vehicle, does that make me unamerican? or
Is it unamerican for the government to spend our tax dollars buying up failed businesses.

Great question! I believe it is American to buy the best product/service at the best price from the company that operates under the closest moral/ethical code that you hold or value. If that happens to be a Japanese car and you buy it, that is pro American. Nothing is gained by purchasing an inferior product from an American company that is inferior in what it makes or how it operates. I wish to see American companies be the best in the world. Purchasing a non American product if it is better allows the inferior American companies to fail or improve as they should. GM did not deserve a bailout with my money. No failed companies or industries deserve it and the government has no place in private industry. If we are to compete in a world economy, does anyone really believe that a US GOV owned car company has a chance?

 

[dumwaldo]

Live better, Work Union.

 

[TDM]

Live better, Work Union.

Help all jobs go to japan by making companies go bankrupt because of OVER paid UNDER worked inion labor!! GET RID OF THE UNIONS BEFORE THEY DESTROY AMERICA!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[gashin]

I agree. How can we honestly believe that we can continue to overpay our workers on borrowed money? It doesn't work - as evidenced by the collapse of our economy. But we everyone deserves the American dream right?! Even if they don't deserve it.... now the Chinese and South Koreans are going to have even better futures than us because their workers actually get paid what they deserve.

Help all jobs go to japan by making companies go bankrupt because of OVER paid UNDER worked inion labor!! GET RID OF THE UNIONS BEFORE THEY DESTROY AMERICA!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[TDM]

I've worked in alot of union shops in my years!! IMHO the worst scum there is has to be the shop stoogewarts!! They get paid even more to do even less. Their main concern in a plant is to be a snitch to the union

 

[dumwaldo]

The worker makes $30 an hour and the bosses up at GM make around $1,500 an hour.

GM top executive salaries return to normal | Motortrend News & Auto Blog - Wide Open Throttle

Yeah its the union labor that is the problem.

DW

BTW
I make $79.36 an hour and I am getting a raise at the end of the month.

 

[playerags]

I've worked in alot of union shops in my years!! IMHO the worst scum there is has to be the shop stoogewarts!! They get paid even more to do even less. Their main concern in a plant is to be a snitch to the union

I worked for about three months at a shipbuilding company that was union. I actually got yelled at for working too hard. They said I was working myself out of a job! Nice, huh?

UNION YES!
ummm.....no

 

[TDM]

The worker makes $30 an hour and the bosses up at GM make around $1,500 an hour.

GM top executive salaries return to normal | Motortrend News & Auto Blog - Wide Open Throttle

Yeah its the union labor that is the problem.

DW

BTW
I make $79.36 an hour and I am getting a raise at the end of the month.

Like I said unde worked over paid union workers!!

 

[dumwaldo]

Did I mention I also get $445 per week from New York State when I am not working?

DW

What a bunch of haters... sorry if your jobs suck. Don't hate the playa, hate the game.

Living free of a** kissing for 16 years strong.

 

[BARENETTED]

Gashin, TDM & Playerags - You are all sooo right on target!
The Unions are the ruination of all manufacturing in this country.
They have forced our factories overseas.
Their greed will come back to bite them in the ....

BTW - my job does not suck. It is interesting and challenging. I have a great boss, my own office, lots of friends. I went to college at night while working full time during the day. I earn what I deserve and I earn a good living.

 

[TDM]

Especially at GM!! The union workers are gonna get a RUDE AWAKENING when they try to retire!! There OWN UNION screwed them!!!

 

[Flitzanu]

i just wanted to chime in...that i love my Acura

2000 integra, 120k miles and runs like new. my 97 monte carlo with 130k miles, well...it runs ok.

just sayin

(ps, no it isn't tricked out and stupid with a giant spoiler or wheels or anything)

 

[taz3cat]

This whole economic mess was caused by Corporate Greed and the greed F***s at the top of the food chain. Every American worker deserve a decent paycheck every week for their labor.

Well educated people are at the top of the food chain and sit on their buts all day. I know because I went to Collage at 40 so I could sit on my but all day. I got tried and wore out actually doing physical work. If you don't have an education you have to do physical work to make a living. I know there are some exceptions.

Blaming the Unions for this mess is really strange, when the Unions didn't make the mess. There are not any Union bank employees that I know of, so who's fault is that the big banks had to have a bail out?

It was the Government who failed to oversee the laws governing the bank etc. that is who's fault it is. It is not a Dem or Rep fault it is both party's.

 

[dumwaldo]

YouTube - Your New Job

good luck in that job market.

Ignorance must TRULY be bliss.

DW

 

[BARENETTED]

Just for the record, I have never driven anything but a GM car since I was 17. I always took care of my cars and they served me well. I actually love GM and am angry about what is going on. Years ago, my Dad owned a Buick dealership.

Yes, the execs are overpaid. They are overpaid in all big business and GM is no different. I am not saying it is right, but there are a lot more 'worker bees' than execs. It is the refusal of the UAW to come in line with the salaries of foreign automaker employees in the US that has driven GM to this.

 

[BARENETTED]

This whole economic mess was caused by Corporate Greed and the greed F***s at the top of the food chain. Every American worker deserve a decent paycheck every week for their labor.

Well educated people are at the top of the food chain and sit on their buts all day. I know because I went to Collage at 40 so I could sit on my but all day. I got tried and wore out actually doing physical work. If you don't have an education you have to do physical work to make a living. I know there are some exceptions.

Blaming the Unions for this mess is really strange, when the Unions didn't make the mess. There are not any Union bank employees that I know of, so who's fault is that the big banks had to have a bail out?

It was the Government who failed to oversee the laws governing the bank etc. that is who's fault it is. It is not a Dem or Rep fault it is both party's.

Taz - you can't even spell 'college'. How in the hell did you get in?
BTW - when referring to your backside - it is spelled B U T T.