Now the end begins - As the Nations have done to Israel.... (Gen 12:3)

[blondeambition3]

I see a 'connection' between us, the United States pressuring Israel to divide their land with the 'disasters' happening all across the US. NY was struck by devastating Tornadoes just today, which also happened to be 'Yom Kippur'... (the day of atonement)
From the 'spill' in the Gulf, to the 'fires' in California, and so much more of late... this 'trend' of disasters isn't likely to let up soon if we don't 'lay off' pressuring Israel to divide the land.

NOW THE END BEGINS: As The Nations Have Done To Israel

Anyone else see the connection?

 

[Saintscruiser]

After the present administration treated Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu like they did, I made a statement that that was the last nail in America's coffin.

I did write PM Netanyahu a letter, telling him that no other country has the God given right to make them give up any part of their land. I advised him to do what God tells him to do....period. I couldn't find an address to Israel for him, so I mailed it to their embassy in Washington D.C. with a cover letter to the Ambassador. After hillary talked to PM Netanyahu as if to a child, I just kept shaking my head. Hal Lindsey reported it on his show some months ago.

 

[HyOnLyph]

I hope you are wrong about "America's coffin". But I'm concerned you may be right. I'm not an end-times scholar... but from what I've read, the USA appears to be sort of a non-entity during the end-times. And I guess we're headed that direction. I guess our part is to do what we can but to "see that ye be not troubled". Mt 24.

 

[providencewouldhaveit]

Many nations have grown fat turned from God and fallen. Our country is no different. I believe we as a country are seeing some judgement but I believe differently about the people of God and the end times.
Gal 3:16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.
Gal 3:29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
I believe the northern tribes of Israel that were taken captive by the Assyrians never returned to Jerusalem but assimilated into the countries they were sent and became part of the Gentile nations only the Southern tribes of Judah, Levi and 1/2 tribe of Mannasah actually retured to Jerusalem and practiced Judiasim until the time of the Messiah. When Christ came there is no more need for a bloodline to bring forth a Messiah. That scripture is totally fulfilled. We who are of the faith of Abraham are true Israelites.
Jer 3:8 And I saw, when for all the causes whereby backsliding Israel committed adultery I had put her away, and given her a bill of divorce; yet her treacherous sister Judah feared not, but went and played the harlot also.
Jer 3:9 And it came to pass through the lightness of her whoredom, that she defiled the land, and committed adultery with stones and with stocks.
Jer 3:10 And yet for all this her treacherous sister Judah hath not turned unto me with her whole heart, but feignedly, saith the LORD.
Jer 3:11 And the LORD said unto me, The backsliding Israel hath justified herself more than treacherous Judah.
Jer 3:12 Go and proclaim these words toward the north, and say, Return, thou backsliding Israel, saith the LORD; and I will not cause mine anger to fall upon you: for I am merciful, saith the LORD, and I will not keep anger for ever.
Jer 3:13 Only acknowledge thine iniquity, that thou hast transgressed against the LORD thy God, and hast scattered thy ways to the strangers under every green tree, and ye have not obeyed my voice, saith the LORD.
Jer 3:14 Turn, O backsliding children, saith the LORD; for I am married unto you: and I will take you one of a city, and two of a family, and I will bring you to Zion:
Jer 3:15 And I will give you pastors according to mine heart, which shall feed you with knowledge and understanding.
Israel was given a bill of divorce because they departed from God and even though it seemed Judah became even more wicked God did not divorce Judah because he could not divorce himself in that Christ was yet to come from that bloodline. He goes on to reveal the comming of a new covenant not based on the people but on himself and what he will do by the abundance of His grace.
Jer 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
Jer 31:32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:
Jer 31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
Rom 11:1 I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.
Rom 11:2 God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew. Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel, saying,
Rom 11:3 Lord, they have killed thy prophets, and digged down thine altars; and I am left alone, and they seek my life.
Rom 11:4 But what saith the answer of God unto him? I have reserved to myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal.
Rom 11:5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.
Judah as a nation was judged in 70 A.D. and no longer exists as a true nation. The nation of Judah brought forth ou Lord and Savoir Jesus Christ the End.Though the land is still there it is not the same thing.

 

[LisaLisa]

The whole Israel thing still confuses me from a christian standpoint tho. I know that the jews were god's chosen people. I know that the bible says that woe to those that curse Israel. But, why would God be so protective with Israel since they rejected His son? I don't get it.

 

[blondeambition3]

The whole Israel thing still confuses me from a christian standpoint tho. I know that the jews were god's chosen people. I know that the bible says that woe to those that curse Israel. But, why would God be so protective with Israel since they rejected His son? I don't get it.

I understand completely LisaLisa...
It's like this;
God made a 'covenant (verbal contract) with Abraham (the Father of ALL Jews) that he would give Israel as an inheritance to his offspring forever. The operative word is 'forever'... Now God also told Abraham that his Jewish offspring would 'mess up'.. & as a result of their hardheaded, stiff necked & rebellious ways he would 'scatter them over the four corners of the Earth"... and he did, but he assured Abraham he'd restore Israel to them in the 'last days' ... (In 1948 Israel became a nation again).... and yeah, the Jews did (and many still do) reject the Christ that died on the cross for 'their' sins, but God made a verbal contract with Abraham that he can not, did not, nor will he ever, break. For some reason, God 'favors' Israel for some reason.. He calls it the "Apple of His eye - Zec 2:8).. not the people per se;.. but has put His 'favor' on that Land... it's not to be 'defiled' by anyone for any reason. I'm sure He'll reveal this when we arrive in Glory.. (lol).

I've summarized it for you (with Scriptures) below;

God was pleased that Abraham trusted Him and God made some promises to him. “And I will make of thee a great nation, and I will bless, thee, and make thy name great: and thou shall be a blessing: and I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.! Gen. 22:18. Genesis 12:2 and 3, and “All the land which thou seest, to thee will I give it, and to thy seed forever. And I will make thy seed as the dust of the earth.” Genesis 13:15-16. And again in Genesis 17:8: “Also I give to you and your descendants after you the land in which you are a stranger, all the land of Canaan, as an everlasting possession; and I will be their God.” Did you notice that God promised this special land to Abraham and to his children for ever?

God is always 'faithful' and keeps his word, even when we aren't..

 

[Vidi]

Christians have far more in common with Muslims than most Christians want to admit. All three religions ( Judaism, Islam and Christianity ) trace their roots back directly to one man, Abraham. They are all cousin religions. All worshipping the same God. We don't seem to mind the Hebrews calling Him Jehovah, so why must we mind the Muslims calling Him Allah?

And BlondeAmbition youre totally forgetting about Gods other covenant with Hagar

Genesis 21

15And the water was spent in the bottle, and she cast the child under one of the shrubs.

16And she went, and sat her down over against him a good way off, as it were a bow shot: for she said, Let me not see the death of the child. And she sat over against him, and lift up her voice, and wept.

17And God heard the voice of the lad; and the angel of God called to Hagar out of heaven, and said unto her, What aileth thee, Hagar? fear not; for God hath heard the voice of the lad where he is.

18Arise, lift up the lad, and hold him in thine hand; for I will make him a great nation.

19And God opened her eyes, and she saw a well of water; and she went, and filled the bottle with water, and gave the lad drink.

20And God was with the lad; and he grew, and dwelt in the wilderness, and became an archer.

21And he dwelt in the wilderness of Paran: and his mother took him a wife out of the land of Egypt.

According to our own Bible, God made a covenant with Hagar promising that God would look after her son to "make him a great nation"

Hagars son was Ishmael, who was in turn the father of the Arabs, just as Isaac, Ishmaels half brother, is father to the Hebrews. Ishmael was also "of the seed of Abraham" so that makes the Arabs also "of the seed of Abraham" THAT is what Islam teaches them.

The "great nation" isnt a piece of LAND but a nation of people. Of souls! God made His promise twice. And He kept it twice. He built two great nations, the Hebrew and the Arab, cousins, born of two half brother born of the same father, who was the father of all three religions, Abraham.

Now comes the complicated part.

Is the Bible just as it was written? Of course not. How many different translations have there been? What did the Nicean councils add or subtract? We cannot take the Bible literally as we know for certain that it has been guided by the hand of man.

But the story of Abraham is a story that persists through THREE different sacred religious texts ( sacred to each religion that follows it that is ) It is the story of how mankind can relate to God on a personal level AND it tells us WHY Jesus had to come and die to save us. Had it not been for Abrahams obedience to God, his willingness to sacrifice Isaac for God, then would God have been as willing to sacrifice Jesus for us? It also tells us that we CAN convince God to change His mind.

Wilt thou also destroy the righteous with the wicked?

Remember? That is the most important lesson of the Bible. That is WHY the Rapture MUST occur before the Tribulation. Abrahams plea illicits Gods promise

Peradventure there be fifty righteous within the city: wilt thou also destroy and not spare the place for the fifty righteous that are therein?

25That be far from thee to do after this manner, to slay the righteous with the wicked: and that the righteous should be as the wicked, that be far from thee: Shall not the Judge of all the earth do right?

26And the LORD said, If I find in Sodom fifty righteous within the city, then I will spare all the place for their sakes.

27And Abraham answered and said, Behold now, I have taken upon me to speak unto the LORD, which am but dust and ashes:

28Peradventure there shall lack five of the fifty righteous: wilt thou destroy all the city for lack of five? And he said, If I find there forty and five, I will not destroy it.

29And he spake unto him yet again, and said, Peradventure there shall be forty found there. And he said, I will not do it for forty's sake.

30And he said unto him, Oh let not the LORD be angry, and I will speak: Peradventure there shall thirty be found there. And he said, I will not do it, if I find thirty there.

31And he said, Behold now, I have taken upon me to speak unto the LORD: Peradventure there shall be twenty found there. And he said, I will not destroy it for twenty's sake.

32And he said, Oh let not the LORD be angry, and I will speak yet but this once: Peradventure ten shall be found there. And he said, I will not destroy it for ten's sake.

33And the LORD went his way, as soon as he had left communing with Abraham: and Abraham returned unto his place.

The story of Abraham is the story of man and his relationship with God, but it should also teach us that we are all of the same family. That the hatred is the work of someone other than God.

And let us not forget, the anti-christ comes to power when he stands in the rebuilt temple. The temple, not a mosque. Who exactly would rebuild the temple of Solomon? What human would deny children the chance to grow up and have children of their own? To experience the joys of the life God has given to us? None. Only one being wants the temple rebuilt, because he thinks he may actually win the final battle. The end times will come ONLY when Humanity allows it to come. And we will do so when we have fallen. As long as there are righteous, the world will continue.

And that is why no one knows when the time will come. Because so many stand and declare their righteousness while following the path to Hell.

 

[LisaLisa]

I understand completely LisaLisa...
It's like this;
God made a 'covenant (verbal contract) with Abraham (the Father of ALL Jews) that he would give Israel as an inheritance to his offspring forever. The operative word is 'forever'... Now God also told Abraham that his Jewish offspring would 'mess up'.. & as a result of their hardheaded, stiff necked & rebellious ways he would 'scatter them over the four corners of the Earth"... and he did, but he assured Abraham he'd restore Israel to them in the 'last days' ... (In 1948 Israel became a nation again).... and yeah, the Jews did (and many still do) reject the Christ that died on the cross for 'their' sins, but God made a verbal contract with Abraham that he can not, did not, nor will he ever, break. For some reason, God 'favors' Israel for some reason.. He calls it the "Apple of His eye - Zec 2:8).. not the people per se;.. but has put His 'favor' on that Land... it's not to be 'defiled' by anyone for any reason. I'm sure He'll reveal this when we arrive in Glory.. (lol).

I've summarized it for you (with Scriptures) below;

God was pleased that Abraham trusted Him and God made some promises to him. “And I will make of thee a great nation, and I will bless, thee, and make thy name great: and thou shall be a blessing: and I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.! Gen. 22:18. Genesis 12:2 and 3, and “All the land which thou seest, to thee will I give it, and to thy seed forever. And I will make thy seed as the dust of the earth.” Genesis 13:15-16. And again in Genesis 17:8: “Also I give to you and your descendants after you the land in which you are a stranger, all the land of Canaan, as an everlasting possession; and I will be their God.” Did you notice that God promised this special land to Abraham and to his children for ever?

God is always 'faithful' and keeps his word, even when we aren't..

Thanks for the explanation Blonde, that was a good one that I actually do understand!

 

[providencewouldhaveit]

The whole Israel thing still confuses me from a christian standpoint tho. I know that the jews were god's chosen people. I know that the bible says that woe to those that curse Israel. But, why would God be so protective with Israel since they rejected His son? I don't get it.

I think the woe to those who curse Israel applies to new covenant Christians. God loves His redeemed children and has blessed them above all measure who can curse what God has blessed? The old covenant people where a physical picture of the spiritual realities of the new covenant.

 

[providencewouldhaveit]

Christians have far more in common with Muslims than most Christians want to admit. All three religions ( Judaism, Islam and Christianity ) trace their roots back directly to one man, Abraham. They are all cousin religions. All worshipping the same God. We don't seem to mind the Hebrews calling Him Jehovah, so why must we mind the Muslims calling Him Allah?

Muslims koran is not the same as the bible and there is no redeemer provided for them in it. The God of the Christians is far more merciful. Hagars children were offered covenant promises and I'm sure some have obtained them through Jesus Christ the redeemer to all who believe.

 

[Quikijiki]

The "End" begins every turn of the century or decade. Never really came, did it?

 

[Vidi]

there is no redeemer provided for them in it

Not true. The redeemer is Allah, God. It is through good works that they can gain passage into heaven. Now one must ask at that point if the Trinity is a viable concept. If it is, then they follow as Christians do only under a different name. If one does not believe in the Trinity, AND one believes that the path is Christ to God, then in that persons belief system Muslims may be seem as not true followers.

BUT ( and notice the big BUT there ) Are Catholics christians? Methodists? Lutherans? Do Southern Baptists have its right? Assembly of God? Each little sect has a different pathway to God.

The God of the Christians is far more merciful.

Have you ever read Exodus?

And the LORD said unto Moses, Go in unto Pharaoh: for I have hardened his heart, and the heart of his servants, that I might shew these my signs before him:

Pharaoh wasn't just stubborn on his own. GOD hardened his heart so that he could should signs. Those signs were plagues, which included KILLING the first born son of every Egyptian house.

Now look at Numbers:

And [when] the people complained, it displeased the LORD: and the LORD heard [it]; and his anger was kindled; and the fire of the LORD burnt among them, and consumed [them that were] in the uttermost parts of the camp.

And while the flesh [was] yet between their teeth, ere it was chewed, the wrath of the LORD was kindled against the people, and the LORD smote the people with a very great plague.

I will smite them with the pestilence, and disinherit them, and will make of thee a greater nation and mightier than they ( which He didn't do thanks to the pleading of Moses but READ that pleading. Moses doesn;t plead for the lives of the people but how God will seem to His enemies. )

Separate yourselves from among this congregation, that I may consume them in a moment...And the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed them up, and their houses, and all the men that [appertained] unto Korah, and all [their] goods...And there came out a fire from the LORD, and consumed the two hundred and fifty men that offered incense...Now they that died in the plague were fourteen thousand and seven hundred, beside them that died about the matter of Korah.

And the LORD said unto Moses, Take all the heads of the people, and hang them up before the LORD against the sun, that the fierce anger of the LORD may be turned away from Israel.

And he went after the man of Israel into the tent, and thrust both of them through, the man of Israel, and the woman through her belly. So the plague was stayed from the children of Israel.




I am a christian. But I am not blind to the fact that our God is not a merciful God. He is a vengeful wrathful God. He demands sacrifice. A blood sacrifice at that. His book demands it. The final sacrifice was the blood sacrifice of Jesus, his only begotten son, who God loved, to save us. As it is His blood that saves us. To save us from what? From the wrath of God Himself and the wages of sin which is death. And not some earthly death, but from the spiritual death of being separated from the Glory of God for eternity. He who is not righteous will burn away in the presence of the Lord. The suffering we experience in this earthly realm purifies us, tempers us if you will, so that we may stand before our powerful God and not be burned away in His mere presence.

But, those that say THEY are the only chosen of God. Those that claim only THEY know the true path to God. Those are those that follow Korah. Well, we all know what happened to him.


PS I do so enjoy discussing theology. Thank you for the opportunity

 

[blondeambition3]

No Mr. Grimme, (respectfully), I haven't forgotten God's covenant with Hagar & Abraham's offspring concerning Ishmael, but I was explaining His covenant with Abraham re Issaic.. which was the promise of the Nation of Israel forever. God did not make this same promise to Ishmael or his descendents, however Israel would/could be his if he would dwell peaceably with His half brother Issaic, which he won't.. due to his 'wild ...' ways and because of Islam. My ex-husband was a Muslim and I was with him for 16 years... I know Islam and I've read the Qua'ran.. (I've even been to Lebanon and attended Mosque)... and while all three religions declare the same God... only Judaism & Christianity truthfully do so. The God (Allah) of Islam is deceptive, (Christ only appeared to be crucified in the Oua'ran, note! it only appeared that way. He (Christ) was actually 'caught up' to be with God.. To me, that's a form of deception, which is a form of lying... our God is not a Man that he can lie).... The Qua'ran also states that Christ is NOT the Son of God, only one of many blessed prophets.. no more. The Christian Faith hinges solely on Christ's sacrificial death on the Cross as the ONLY Salvation for Mankind.. and heralded in a new 'covenant' of Grace by which we're saved. This is not so with the Jews who believe the Christ that was crucified was also NOT the Messiah and the non-messianic tribes of Israel are still waiting for Him to come... so as you can see, there are MAJOR differences in Judaic, Islamic & Christian theologies and they make all the difference in the World, and this is WHY it's so important 'what' we believe... especially in this day & age when everyone claims to have the 'real' truth.. when in fact, only the GOD of Christianity can make this statement. The Bible, in my humble opinion, is the PERFECT, unwavering, indisputable word of God... He has preserved it and maintained it's purity from the beginning and I question it never. God is the supreme Author of Biblical Scripture. 2 Timothy 3:16-17 states: “All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.” The 'Holy Spirit' guided the hands of all the Men who originally wrote and then later translated it diligently. I'll just summarize my stance on the Bible with this; "If you don't stand for something, you'll fall for anything"... I stand for the cause of the Christ and on the Holy Bible as infallible, pure & written word of God. I wish we wouldn't begin 'debates' over issues the Lord has already established in His Word... if this is a Forum for ALL religions and debates over theological differences and doctrines, then we'll do nothing but argue those differences. I pray we come together to lift one another up, encourage, pray & support one another in these perilous 'end-times' which lie ahead.... share prophetic views, dreams.. things of that nature... may we do that please? None of us can possibly ever address a biblical viewpoint with the longitude it deserves in a forum atmosphere such as this, so sometimes 'brevity' makes for an 'incomplete' view... but an incomplete view just that.. incomplete.

 

[blondeambition3]

The "End" begins every turn of the century or decade. Never really came, did it?

Eventually this will be 'true' Quikijiki.. will it not? (lol)

The Bible also states this;

"Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers" - 2 Peter 3:3 - "saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation." - 2 Peter 3:4

"So ye in like manner, when ye shall see these things come to pass, know that it is nigh, even at the doors" - Mark 13:29

<<Mark 13>>
Things to Come

1 As He was going out of the temple, one of His disciples said to Him, “Teacher, behold what wonderful stones and what wonderful buildings!” 2 And Jesus said to him, “Do you see these great buildings? Not one stone will be left upon another which will not be torn down.”
3 As He was sitting on the Mount of Olives opposite the temple, Peter and James and John and Andrew were questioning Him privately, 4 “Tell us, when will these things be, and what will be the sign when all these things are going to be fulfilled?” 5 And Jesus began to say to them, “See to it that no one misleads you. 6 “Many will come in My name, saying, ‘I am He!’ and will mislead many. 7 “When you hear of wars and rumors of wars, do not be frightened; those things must take place; but that is not yet the end. 8 “For nation will rise up against nation, and kingdom against kingdom; there will be earthquakes in various places; there will also be famines. These things are merely the beginning of birth pangs.
9 “But be on your guard; for they will deliver you to the courts, and you will be flogged in the synagogues, and you will stand before governors and kings for My sake, as a testimony to them. 10 “The gospel must first be preached to all the nations. 11 “When they arrest you and hand you over, do not worry beforehand about what you are to say, but say whatever is given you in that hour; for it is not you who speak, but it is the Holy Spirit. 12 “Brother will betray brother to death, and a father his child; and children will rise up against parents and have them put to death. 13 “You will be hated by all because of My name, but the one who endures to the end, he will be saved.
14 “But when you see the ABOMINATION OF DESOLATION standing where it should not be (let the reader understand), then those who are in Judea must flee to the mountains. 15 “The one who is on the housetop must not go down, or go in to get anything out of his house; 16 and the one who is in the field must not turn back to get his coat. 17 “But woe to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing babies in those days! 18 “But pray that it may not happen in the winter. 19 “For those days will be a time of tribulation such as has not occurred since the beginning of the creation which God created until now, and never will. 20 “Unless the Lord had shortened those days, no life would have been saved; but for the sake of the elect, whom He chose, He shortened the days. 21 “And then if anyone says to you, ‘Behold, here is the Christ’; or, ‘Behold, He is there’; do not believe him; 22 for false Christs and false prophets will arise, and will show signs and wonders, in order to lead astray, if possible, the elect. 23 “But take heed; behold, I have told you everything in advance.

"So ye in like manner, when ye shall see these things come to pass, know that it is nigh, even at the doors" - Mark 13:29

 

[blondeambition3]

MrGrimme, You made this statement: BUT ( and notice the big BUT there ) Are Catholics christians? Methodists? Lutherans? Do Southern Baptists have its right? Assembly of God? Each little sect has a different pathway to God. No particular Christian religion or sect has a pathway to God.. not one! Only each Individual who has a personal RELATIONSHIP with God (in Christ) has that pathway... not according to me or anyone else. Christ himself declares this. "Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me" - John 14:6
No Church affiliation, Religious Sect or denomination or good works can save us, if this were so, Christ died on the Cross in vain and the Grace of God is for naught. Either God accomplished everything for our salvation on that Cross through Christ or we all still dead in our sins as there is NOTHING we can do to make us HOLY enough to stand before a perfect & righteous God on the day of Judgment. Trust the Bible as the Holy Word of God, it proclaimed Israel would again be a restored Nation unto the Jews, and in 1948 it was. It spoke of Sodom & Gomorrah, and Archaeological findings conclude this city existed & indeed was destroyed by brimstone & earthquakes... the Ark has been discovered on Mt. Ararat in Turkey as the Bible states and just recently Scientist's have found ample evidence of a World wide flood. Christianity is NOT a religion, a sect, or a Church.. it is a People who have a relationship with God through the Living Christ who purchased their Salvation by His blood on the Cross of Calvary... and that allows us to boldly approach the throne of God crying "Abba! Father"...

 

[blondeambition3]

double post.... sorry!

 

[providencewouldhaveit]

Amen, sister blondeambition3. Jesus is THE way, THE truth and THE life. Any salvation no matter what you claim the God is has to be totally by grace and not by works. What kind of works could a worm do to please you and yet we are less than a worm in the sight of an infinate God who created us and all the vast universe for His glory. Works innuls redemption. You were either blood bought or under the dilution that you are earning your way to heaven. I only want to wear the righteousness of Christ when I stand before the throne of God because I can't imagine what possible good thing I could have to offer His Great and Awesome Majesty.

 

[Vidi]

No particular Christian religion or sect has a pathway to God.. not one!

My point is we are all of us indoctrinated into a religion. As children, we are exposed to the religion ( or lack thereof ) of our parents. Each of these sects believes differently. Some say once saved always saved, some pray to saints and the virgin mother, others pray to the Bible, yes, the BIBLE ( saw it on TV last year. I was shocked and horrified )

Our book, the New testament, says Jesus is the ONLY way. But, the Hebrews don't believe that. "Muslims believe, that Jesus was one of the mightiest messengers of God that he was the Christ, that he was born miraculously without any male intervention, that he gave life to the dead by God's permission and that he healed those born blind and the lepers by god's permission. In fact, no Muslim is a Muslim if he or she does not believe in Jesus!"( link)

Hebrews, on the other hand, believe that Jesus was just one of many false messiahs. ( link )

This is not to say," Hate one. Love another." But it should shed light on how our perceptions are completely skewed to hate. By denying Islam as a viable belief system, we deny ourselves the love that Jesus proclaimed we must have for all. Neither Hebrew or Muslim believes as Christians do that He is the Messiah. To deny the possibility that perhaps, we, christians, are not the ONLY people getting to Heaven, is a certainty that, in my opinion, leads to Crusades and Jihads. Far too much certainty for us little less than worms, in my opinion.

 

[providencewouldhaveit]

A lot of religions believe in Jesus as a good man a prophet or whatever. Lets add a couple more Jehovah Witness and Jews. Jesus was either the God that he proclaimed to be and was attested to by the God of heaven at His resurrection or he could not have been a good man or a prophet. Yes, I am certain of it.

Mat 16:13 When Jesus came into the coasts of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, saying, Whom do men say that I the Son of man am?
Mat 16:14 And they said, Some say that thou art John the Baptist: some, Elias; and others, Jeremias, or one of the prophets.
Mat 16:15 He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am?
Mat 16:16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.
Mat 16:17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.
Mat 16:18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
Mat 16:19 And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.

 

[Southern Gent]

Judah as a nation was judged in 70 A.D. and no longer exists as a true nation. The nation of Judah brought forth ou Lord and Savoir Jesus Christ the End.Though the land is still there it is not the same thing.

Correct. Theologically speaking, the Israel of today means nothing as far as end time prophecy. Who is Israel? Paul said in Galatians that it is every person who is in Christ.


And edit: If anyone is depending on their tradition or denomination to get them to heaven they will fail. There is only one way and it is really not a way...it is a who.