ny wants to ban ecigs?

[ad356]

i read the topic in another thread, but since im new here im am not allowed to post there. anyways im getting really fed up with ny state. i have lived in ny my whole life so i have plenty of understanding on how corrupt this state is. we have probably the highest cigarette tax in the entire nation. cigarettes now cost nearly 10 bucks a pack. most people that i know that smoke go to the indian reservation for cigarettes, and ny has repeatedly tried to go after the natives for it. the only motive ny state would have to ban e cigarettes is to force people to smoke that simply cannot quit, myself included. im highly addicted to nicotine and cant wait to recieve my e cig that i recently ordered. im not enjoying the side effects of smoking anymore. im sick and tired of not being able to breath (smoking makes my ashma worse), im also tired of not having any energy anymore. i enjoy my cigarettes but DO NOT enjoy the side effects. i cant wait to get my 510, and as long as i can order e cigs on the internet i will do so regardless of a ban in ny state. people also need to know the facts of vaping vs. smoking.

im also tired of the lies in the miserable state. they claim that they raise the price of cigarettes in atempt to get people to quit. this is a big fat lie, people that are addicted to cigarettes often times cannot quit and will pay any price. ny simply doesnt want you quit anyways because they dont want to loose money, its the same reason why they continue to bother the natives. im starting to believe that tradition NRT's are legal because they are ineffective compared to vaping. they DO NOT want you to quit.

message to ny if your listening:

-stop trying to ban e cigs, face it they are much muchsafer
-stop trying to attack the natives
-lower cigarette tax, its not helping only makes the poor poorer
-start a responsible budget policy, raising the price of things only further pisses people off. taxes are plenty high, use what you have and balance the check book. we as citizens all have to do it on sometimes low paying jobs
- stop giving my money to the "wellfare mamas". its not my problem they dont know what birth control is. i have not sympathy for them NONE
- forcing everyone to buy new plates for their cars every few years is a joke as well
the more this state takes the more it wants. more money, more control over the population. im sick and tired of it. if any of us acted this way we would be bankrupt

 

[whiskey]

Good post Ad356...You covered quite a lot of hot issues.....

 

[Little Girl]

First of all, welcome to E-Cigarette Forum!

i read the topic in another thread, but since im new here im am not allowed to post there. anyways im getting really fed up with ny state.

You're not alone, and when you have enough posts, come join us in http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...-take-action-now-prevent-e-cigarette-ban.html

im highly addicted to nicotine and cant wait to recieve my e cig that i recently ordered. im not enjoying the side effects of smoking anymore. im sick and tired of not being able to breath (smoking makes my ashma worse), im also tired of not having any energy anymore. i enjoy my cigarettes but DO NOT enjoy the side effects.

Then you're a perfect candidate for electronic cigarettes, and I have a feeling you'll really enjoy how much better you feel when using them.

i cant wait to get my 510, and as long as i can order e cigs on the internet i will do so regardless of a ban in ny state. people also need to know the facts of vaping vs. smoking.

I hope you get your 510 soon (I use the 510 and love it). As far as ordering online if there's a ban, that probably won't be possible since it would be illegal for vendors to sell to us, so please help us by doing everything you can to raise awareness with New York legislators, businesses, agencies, and people in your community. And you might want to stock up just in case.

 

[ad356]

so let me get this straight? if they succesfully ban e cigs on the state level then it still doesnt mean that you cannot buy them from another state? hopefully it will never become illegal on a national level. hopefully there is something we can do about it. i dont think the goverment should have the right to decide what i feel is right for me. if i want to go smoke a joint then im going to do it. if i want to use an e cig instead of toxic chemicals im going to do it, and if i choose not to consume alcohol(another potentailly deadly and addictive substance) them im not going to do it. i will live my life the way i see fit. right now i feel the best thing for me is to put down the cigarettes which is surely causing me harm and trade it for something with allot less harm, if any being done.

we need to stop allowing the government to decide what is right for us. the goverment and big tobacco should not be allow to ban something like this. big tobacco should loose all control of any decesions unless they want to be part of the solution.

 

[redrobin347]

Not from New York but feel like posting

The state hasn't figured out a way to tax them yet. That is probably the problem. It is time for the people to stand up for their rights and stop allowing the government to control our lifes. Sadly it has all come down the $$$.

 

[Sandi Penn]

I agree with redrobin347. Its all a money thing. There really isnt a good reason to ban the E-cig in NY. If they were getting a cut they would hand them out at the door.

 

[ad356]

no new taxes should be required. flush goverment employes that do not have a good work record down the toliet. reduce wellfare spending, im tired of paying for someone that doesnt want to work. i have to work my self to death in a hot factory so someone else can sit on their behind, its wrong. i dont mind working but they should have to as well. no more "free money".

it also doesnt make sense to tax e cigs to the level of traditional cigarettes. they are a harm reduction device. that would make little or no sense. some tax.... yes but not to the level of analogs, 10 bucks a pack(isnt that crazy)

 

[rhantson]

I agree with redrobin347... the issue with NY is probably more with the potential loss in tax revenue from the loss of all the analog smokers to the eCig... I do not believe, nor have I ever believed, that the added tax on cigerettes has EVER had anything to do with trying to get people to cut back, quit, or turn to a healthier lifestyle - if that was the case, then every state would be embracing eCigs like those who have joined the vaping community have.

Education is going to be really key in this. One of the things that I am on a quest for (and only been vaping for 19 days now) is to be educated to all the aspects of vaping. I want to know as much as I can about every health aspect (both good and if there is any, bad) and be able to properly discuss vaping with non-vapers.

It is so easy to purchase a product (both high quality and bad) and still not be satisfied with it. And that can actually hurt this effort more than help it. Sure you can turn a thousand people to vaping, but the key is ensure that they are representing the product properly and knowledgeably. There are way too many people out there forming opinions about the product (on both sides of the "To Vape or Not to Vape" issue) without really knowing all of the facts.

NY is one of those states that seems to jump on things without EVER doing research into the real effects of whatever bandwagon they are jumping on in the first place. A classic example is the overly misrepresented facts within the FDA report of a few years ago.

Sites like this one, are helping to work on that, but we also need to be careful about what we read (even here) about the product, and how we talk to people about it. You can't just say its 100% Completely Safe Smoking, because - well - the long term testing has never been done... not even REAL AUTHENTIC short term testing... We KNOW that its SAFER - that's a given just by turning away from even just a small handful of the 4000+ known chemicals in an analog... but as long as we educate ourselves as much as we can, there is no doubt we'll be able to turn this around.

Vaping is NEW... and you know how NEW can scare the living daylights out of ANYONE...

 

[Little Girl]

so let me get this straight? if they succesfully ban e cigs on the state level then it still doesnt mean that you cannot buy them from another state?

This is the New York Assembly unanimously voting to ban e-cigarettes:
YouTube - NY Assembly A9529 = Banning Electronic Cigarettes
Pay specific attention to the misinformation they made this decision on. It's mind-boggling.

This is the law the Senate almost voted on and may very well try to put through in the Fall. Since it prohibits distribution or sale, it most likely would be illegal to send e-cigarette products to New Yorkers. I'm not a lawyer, though, so I may be reading or interpreting it wrong.

hopefully it will never become illegal on a national level.

If we don't all stick together and actively fight to prevent it, it could very well happen. If a ban takes effect in one state, it will encourage other states to follow suit. New York is a "trend setter" when it comes to laws, so it's especially crucial not to let New York get away with banning them, because quite a few other states would very quickly follow suit if it did.

hopefully there is something we can do about it.

There is. We can do as much research as possible and educate as many people as we can so that the current misinformation no longer has its power. Let's all get together and "smartenize" a bunch of folks, because knowledge is power.

 

[AvalonMyst]

I defected from NY a long time ago (1984). Even as a young girl (17 when I left) I was a smoker and the prices even then were staggering. Anyone remember when a pack was 55 cents? I used to hear my parents complain about the taxes, rents, and a whole bunch of stuff that took all their money and left us with barely enough to eat. We moved to Florida and things just got better. My dad got a job making the same amount as he was in NY and we lived a good middle class life with no worries as to if we were going to have enough money to buy food. NY needs an extreme makeover.

Live Long and Vape Y'all

 

[t9c]

LIAR ALERT!!

Thanks LG for that video. I wonder if Rosenthal & Titone now KNOW that they are LIARS? (carcinogens statements from both) Of course WE all know that our elected representatives are all LIARS at some point or more, but since YouTube has become so popular, the whole world can see just who is a LIAR and who is not at any time. It's the new accountability factor.

If there were carcinogens in e-cigs, we would not be using them...WTF!

 

[dknightd]

Thanks for bringing this to my attention. I guess I have to call and write to try and prevent them from passing a stupid law. Under 21 I can understand, but not everybody!
I hope I can have influence without wining, dining, and contributing to their campaign funds. Aarg!

 

[LynGBH]

I think Penn & Teller: Bull....! needs to do an episode about this silliness.

I mean, 'fercripes sake! Isn't propylene glycol an additive for humidifiers? People are already inhaling the stuff, not to mention eating it and rubbing it on their skin.

Even if PG is "considered" dangerous, there's always VG. Why throw the baby out with the bathwater? Why should the device itself be banned because of an additive?

Stoopit, if you're asking me.

 

[cjf1961]

It burns my ... to have to pay tax on every little thing every time I turn around in this state. I remember when they were 50 cents a pack and the brand I smoked now are $10.83 a pack before tax. Unfreaking believable, I really want to know where the hay all this money is going, because apparently the budget is in such a mess it's obviously not going there. Instead of reacting like a bunch of immature babies with no understanding of what they are talking about, how about spending some of that money on research, because once they ban it, if they do, chances are there's no going back because that would mean they'd have to admit to being wrong. For those of us who have tried all the government approved methods for quitting without success and are now doing reasonably well with this should certainly say something to these people that maybe it might be worth taking a more serious look at it and getting more information before making a decision that could cost some their lives if they ban ecigs, which is what cigarettes are doing anyway and there's no doubt about that. All I can do is make enough noise to be heard and hope that everyone on this forum does the same thing and they take it in and take another look at this legislation and listen to the people like we were originally set up to do. Just my thoughts. Not sure what I will do if they ban them, got enough to get me through for almost a year, but then what. Would really rather not have to think about it.

 

[dknightd]

luckily NY is disfunctional. Once they pass a budget they'll all go home, and do their real job - try to get re-elected. The only danger for this year is if they can't get a budget done, then they will pass anything they think might get them a vote. I doubt it will get out of committee this year - but will come back to haunt us next year. Write and call. It can't hurt, and might help. If you email (which is better than nothing) include your name and address - otherwise it gets tossed in the does not matter pile.

 

[ad356]

i watched it on youtube and read the coments. unbelievable. the ellected officials make stupid comments that just dont make any sense. no mention is given to the FACT that cigarettes and other tobacco products contain FAR FAR more cancer causing contents than an e cig possibly could. a cigarette is an engineered cocktail of dangerous substances designed to addict and kill the user, and these clowns cant see past that. an e cig contains very few ingredients and none will cause cancer. the FDA found traces of SOME of the contents found in tobacco. really? what a surprise since the ingredients are extracted from tobacco. as i said a trace of what is found in tobacco.

i hate these people and they should be forced out of office right now for doing the public a dis-service. they should just come out and tell the truth that they are attempting to make this device illegal in an effort to protect their awful $10 per pack prices on cigarettes, so then we can call them traitors(they are supposed to serve the taxpayer not the tobacco lobby) and send out the lynch mobs. they simply dont want people to quit they want people to die, painfully. a death cause by cigarettes is not one that simply puts you to sleep. it causes pain and sufering, cancer, shortness of breath(which im experiancing at the age of 29).


since ny has gone to a 10 per pack price, i have not bought a single pack. i have been going to the native reservation and smoking those nasty seneca cigs. i wouldnt buy very many cigs at 5 or 7 bucks a pack either. i have been going to the reservation for years.


i am quite angry by all of this and i havent even recieved my e cig in the mail yet. i about to try a good qaulity e cig, im looking at getting off cigarettes without being a nasty, miserable person. these people are not serving the taxpayers interests, they need to be removed from office and put in jail



IM SO PLEASED THEY WANT US DEAD OR SUFERING. NOT


SCREW YOU NY

 

[CaptJay]

Dont email - write a letter - they dont put as much onus on an email as a written letter. I dont know why but its like that in all areas of Govt.
Youre right though - they aren't bothered about your health (or mine) they want your money and if you have to die to give it to them, (smokers, Im looking at YOU) so be it.

 

[Little Girl]

i watched it on youtube and read the coments. unbelievable.

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since ny has gone to a 10 per pack price, i have not bought a single pack. i have been going to the native reservation and smoking those nasty seneca cigs.

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i am quite angry by all of this and i havent even recieved my e cig in the mail yet. i about to try a good qaulity e cig, im looking at getting off cigarettes without being a nasty, miserable person. these people are not serving the taxpayers interests, they need to be removed from office and put in jail

First of all, I hope you've received your e-cigarette in the mail now and are enjoying it. Second of all, I totally agree with you on your anger toward how the state is handling tobacco and the introduction of electronic cigarettes. I hope you'll join the rest of us who are actively speaking up in as many places as possible to spread the word that research can allay the fears of those who buy into the unfounded gossip/hysteria that's being promoted by those who are against vaping.

 

[Spills]

I would like to believe the the reason this is a problem is because they (our reps of NY) honestly have a concern about minors. I would like to think they really are concerned about unknown additives and the welfare of our people. However one look at the video and its apparent if anyone with even a layman knowledge of the Ecig could easily trip up all those in the room and this is a pity. Do these people get paid? MONEY>>>MONEY>>>>MONEY lets be honest the rest is a SMOKE It is and always will be about money. Call me a pessimist but honestly no amount of emails etc is going to stop this from happening if those in power deem it so! NEW YORK IS YOUR PIMP AND THEY WANT A CUT!

 

[Little Girl]

If they want a cut, then they'd better regulate them so we can buy them at the corner store. If they ban them, we'll go merrily on getting our stuff by hook or by crook, and they won't get even a sliver of the pie.