Obama's thoughts on vaping
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If he does endorse e-cigs, you'll have a bunch of crackpots wailing and gnashing their teeth, adamantly insisting the government is going to force tobacco farmers to give up their land on the basis of eminent domain; all newly-manufactured e-cigs will come equipped with a GPS tracking device and bioelectronic remote sensors which instantly fubar the user at the first sign of dissidence, and government-run death panels will green light euthanasia for anyone stricken with terminal smoking-related illness; thereafter the corpses will be reanimated with aforementioned bioelectronic circuitry, forming an undead Federal AmeriStasi cyber army of Socialist zombie skullf%*!!@ers.
And if he opposes e-cigs, we'll all vote for Palin in 2012.
And if he opposes e-cigs, we'll all vote for Palin in 2012.
How did you figure the master plan out?
You need to be eliminated. The men in black will be visiting you soon.
Obama has someone to do his thinking for him. He just opens his mouth and says what they tell him to say.
More than likely he won't put forward any opinion about them, and just let the FDA do his dirty work for him.
There was a rumor some weeks ago that he actually vapes, but I don't think it was verified. It would make sense actually. I mean really, does anyone expect, or even WANT, a smoking candidate to quit cold turkey upon entering the whitehouse as the new president?? And he most certainly WAS smoking before being elected. I say give the man his nicotine, or else some poor country is going to be destroyed because it ...... him off! 
Scary thought.
Kurt
Scary thought.
Kurt
Don't let him know, we'll have another government take over and heavy taxation. Keep the private sector alive.
Get serious for a moment: Can anyone imagine the President of the United States using a Chinese metal tube to inhale vapor into his body from unregulated, unknown liquid likewise made in China without known quality control, batch testing, etc., in defiance of the regulatory agency under him, and setting an example of a helpless addict who cannot control even the most rudimentary of behaviors?
The thought is ludicrous.
His example must be one of a person who rose above addiction. Smoking, e or otherwise, ain't cool anymore; that's the only acceptable message a leader can send to a watchful nation. He's smart enough to know that.
The thought is ludicrous.
His example must be one of a person who rose above addiction. Smoking, e or otherwise, ain't cool anymore; that's the only acceptable message a leader can send to a watchful nation. He's smart enough to know that.
Except, he does smoke. And he's also smart enough to read and make an intelligent decision based on the information at hand - its pretty much his job.
Lets look at what you said a different way.
Get serious for a moment: Can anyone imagine the President of the United States using a paper wrapped around cured plant parts with thousands of noxious chemical ingredients to inhale smoke into his body from a method known to be the leading preventable death worldwide causing in excess of 5 million deaths annually, in defiance of the recommendations of the regulatory agency under him, and setting an example of a helpless addict who cannot control even the most rudimentary of behaviors by utilizing one of the most common recreational drugs?
You can make anything sound ridiculous and awful. Ignoring the fact that American companies have been the laboratory source of the (granted, limited) testing done, and the acceptance of vaporizers by other respected nations which we have long-standing relationships with, and the ones who have not accepted vaporizers are basing their judgement on tests completed by only two companies who utilize the most hated of methods for gaining customers, and ignoring the fact that the FDA's only study does not reflect a true scientific report, among numerous other factors..... sure, I could see how ignorance could make the President's use of a vaporizer seem completely ridiculous.
Of course, I prefer to stick to reality. Alot can be said of the positives, and despite these constant claims of potential atrocity with no confirmed basis for any real concern, these are a good thing. A few words of acceptance from the President, if he were to take a good look at them, would go a long way to ending the baseless ranting about the apocalypse that will befall us all from the use of PV's, and instead be able to focus on improvement and enforced quality control with something that obviously works, and is obviously better.
It has nothing to do with Obama, Bush, Palin, MCCain, Democrats or Republicans. If you think our Government is really more concerned about our health and not the money they pull out of our wallets - I have a very nice, long bridge to sell you! Drugs approved by our illustrious FDA have killed people. No one blinks. There will be more. Food from our food supply has killed children. Nothing changes.
Anyone happen to watch 60 minutes about 2 weeks ago - about the coal ash and toxic metals in water supplies? Our illustrious EPA at work for you!
The only one looking out for you is YOU!!!!!
Anyone happen to watch 60 minutes about 2 weeks ago - about the coal ash and toxic metals in water supplies? Our illustrious EPA at work for you!
The only one looking out for you is YOU!!!!!
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Actually, in my brief time here on ECF, I've come to think of the members as being a community that looks out for each other (to the extent an e-community can do that). Sure, there's some conflicting advice given, and some personal biases one way or another, but my guts tell me that this group of people wants everyone to be safer and healthier. As the population of members grows, perhaps we'll actually see some who are in the scientific community and who are in a position to contribute information through testing and R&D.
I'll never trust the government to have my best interests in mind. Political expediency will normally control what a government agency or legislature does. Paternalism is merely the false clothing they put on their efforts to exercise control.
Eric - just to clarify - I do believe we all try to help one another here on ECF.
It is our government that I do not trust to make decisions for me or mine.
It is our government that I do not trust to make decisions for me or mine.
I don't need 60 Minutes to tell me about that, I live in the heart of coal country. The problem is mountaintop removal, aka strip mining. Basically they find where the coal seam is and remove it and everything above it, obviously tainting water supplies, not to mention destroying any wildlife. Seems like something like this would be unquestionably banned, yet it still happens [a lot]. Why? Money. There are nearly 20,000 people working for a mining company in Kentucky alone, mostly in Eastern Ky (Appalachian region) which is an area that is extremely poor (I live here, I know).
The thing is there are ways to mine coal and keep jobs for these people without doing all the damage, deep mining, which is basically what everyone thinks of when they think of mining. Going miles back into a mountain underground with heavy equipment and bringing the coal out that way. I work at a deep mine, and it's not nearly as safe but the people here accept that and take their chances. The only reason strip mining is still around is because they make more money by producing more coal, regardless of the impact on the communities.
Sorry, I realize this is completely off topic and long, I just thought I'd share my knowledge with this problem. Anyways, long story short, I completely agree, it's ridiculous how much more our government cares about money than the health and well-being of it's people.
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