Obama's thoughts on vaping

[emus]

I used to watch 60 minutes and night line a long time ago.
I saw them do a few episodes on topics of which I have expertise.
When I saw how far off the mark they were, I lost my desire to watch those shows.

 

[cliff5550]

It'll take more than that for me to vote for Palin.

 

[Lurkiee]

All suppliers should send complimentary kits to people in public view that smoke (include samples of different flavors, let them see for themselves it's not an enticment for children, but an enjoyable variety for adults). Even go one better. Suppliers could have a petition page where customers could write how e-cigs have helped them find a healthier way to use nicotine. Print out those pages and send them along.

There is nothing in a e-cig that is not already in an analog, but there is plenty in an analog that is not in a e-cig!

(yes, Propylene glycol is already in analogs, as are many different flavorings, as well as all those other chemicals and additives).

A few may say it's not cost fesable, but a ban will be worse.

 

[Lurkiee]

*enticement
*feasible

/cannot spell tonight-argh

 

[Mac]

Once again people making excuses for his inaction regarding a federal agencies flagrantly corrupt and unethical behavior. You will NEVER sell me on the idea that what the FDA is doing is ok. Their job is not to selectively nanny us into oblivion because of political pressure and CLEARLY financial motivations. It is Obama's DUTY to reign in the FDA. I keep hearing "untested" What about New Zealand? What about South Africa? What about the FDA's own tests (that before being spun pretty much prove our point) What planet are you living on where that equates to untested?

Do you always thank your ......? Or only the ...... you voted in?

I am so completely disgusted by this attitude of: Oh well the feds can't be wrong. It's not our job to keep the government in check. ecigs are fringe issue. This isn't important.

Go ahead. Choose the path of least resistance. Keep your heads in the sand and see where that gets you. When we all end up with bar codes tattooed on our foreheads I will be the first person to say "I told you so."

 

[SheerLuckHolmes]

Sorry Mac,
Your bar code does not allow you the freedom of expressing confrontational statements such as, " told you so"

 

[Mac]

Sorry Mac,
Your bar code does not allow you the freedom of expressing confrontational statements such as, " told you so"

(expletive deleted) I forgot about that!

 

[Surf Monkey]

There's a distinct lack of realism going on in this thread. Everyone should go back a page and read TropicalBob's posts. Though we'd all love for the president to take up our personal pet issues, that's just not how the system works. We have more power to effect the attitudes of our local and state governments than we do the White House. Getting angry at the feds seems counter productive when that energy would be better spent lobbying locally.

 

[Webby]

All suppliers should send complimentary kits to people in public view that smoke (include samples of different flavors, let them see for themselves it's not an enticment for children, but an enjoyable variety for adults). Even go one better. Suppliers could have a petition page where customers could write how e-cigs have helped them find a healthier way to use nicotine. Print out those pages and send them along.

There is nothing in a e-cig that is not already in an analog, but there is plenty in an analog that is not in a e-cig!

(yes, Propylene glycol is already in analogs, as are many different flavorings, as well as all those other chemicals and additives).

A few may say it's not cost fesable, but a ban will be worse.

Actually a few of us did send kits to Obama (also the Governator and a few key political figures who could help sway public opinion) Personally, I sent an e-cigar to Arnold and got a nice letter back. The 510 we sent to Obama was accepted and I got a form letter back with some comments about how "gifts are not tax deductible, blah blah blah"

I'm certainly not above donating a few more kits to a similar effort, but I think they should be as part of a concentrated effort by CASAA. We're not going to convice any politician to go against the grain, but swaying public opinion and giving e-cig users a "face" will go a long way toward turning conventional wisdom and changing how the public views e-cigs.

THAT is what will sway politicians - not brow beating and pointing out the obvious fact. If any of this were logical analogs would be banned because we know they cause cancer. they are not, therefore there is a surreal double standard and you have to just accept that and move to plans of attack that transcend the usual intellectual arguments.

This isn't the real world - it's government.

 

[NickJuice]

Don't we have a Lobby agency that works for us? Some people giving them thousands of Dollars?? Why can't they get Press passes and Ask the president questions like this?

 

[ladyraj]

New Zealand a sample of njoy products,
South America a sample of Twisp/Janty products and technically not a study.

We need more research period, not the Twisp marketing campaign, but more in line with the njoy effort. The last e-cig market anaysis guess-timated there were approximately 64 thousand different e-cigs available via the internet. People who count these many variations and rebranding have no clue that very few manufacturers are producing most of these products.

So the perception is: via the internet a glut of potentially hazardous devices are being brought ashore with little or no supervision from fly by night, off-shore entities, who are more than willing to make a quick buck off the American people.

That it isn't true never seems to be addressed. If the manufacturer initiated the appropriate studies each supplier could rely and refer to the manufacturer's investment in research. Only one has attempted to resolve this issue.

 

[robbiehatfield]

Get serious for a moment: Can anyone imagine the President of the United States using a Chinese metal tube to inhale vapor into his body from unregulated, unknown liquid likewise made in China without known quality control, batch testing, etc., in defiance of the regulatory agency under him, and setting an example of a helpless addict who cannot control even the most rudimentary of behaviors?

The thought is ludicrous.

His example must be one of a person who rose above addiction. Smoking, e or otherwise, ain't cool anymore; that's the only acceptable message a leader can send to a watchful nation. He's smart enough to know that.

Well said, but you're kind of a wet blanket at times..

Robbie

 

[frankie1]

T - I mean really, does anyone expect, or even WANT, a smoking candidate to quit cold turkey upon entering the whitehouse as the new president?? And he most certainly WAS smoking before being elected. I say give the man his nicotine, or else some poor country is going to be destroyed because it ...... him off!

Scary thought.

Kurt

A truer statement was never made! Don't piss off the man with the finger on the button!

 

[Sebastian]

Tropical,
Not ALL liquids are made in China.....

 

[Michelle M]

I guarantee you that President Obama continues to smoke covertly. Actual cigarettes. In private and with trusted friends.

President Obama still smokes. Don't kid yourselves. But's he's "95 percent cured." Kinda like being a little bit pregnant. But don't look for him to do anything to help vapers or smokers. He's far too hypocritical for that. He'll continue to be a closet smoker instead while talking (exhaling) out the other side of his mouth and gaining what political advantage is to be had from it.

 

[beatlebandaide]

There was a rumor some weeks ago that he actually vapes, but I don't think it was verified. It would make sense actually. I mean really, does anyone expect, or even WANT, a smoking candidate to quit cold turkey upon entering the whitehouse as the new president?? And he most certainly WAS smoking before being elected. I say give the man his nicotine, or else some poor country is going to be destroyed because it ...... him off!

Scary thought.

Kurt

LOL I'm sure he HAS to have nicotine with the way he always seems calm. lol

 

[PlanetScribbles]

Believe it or not, the title 'President' is only that. A title. You don't shift into an alternate universe governed by alternate laws of being after being inaugorated as President of the USA. President Obama is just the same as all the other flawed human beings he governs. He is entitled to be a smoker too. Or even a vaper. If he chooses to be. Or if addiction dictates.

 

[sbphotog]

I don't know how Obama feels about vaping, but he's the one who signed the flavored tobacco ban into new law and once the FDA is granted authority over e-cigs they'll ban flavored juices too. I guess we, as adults, aren't allowed to enjoy sweet and fruity flavors.
It's BS...This county is not free, our rights are being taken away one by one. We are ceasing to be "the land of the free" and becoming "communist America", being told what we can legally enjoy by the FDA Nazi's.

 

[Mister]

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=643910

Get serious for a moment: Can anyone imagine the President of the United States using a Chinese metal tube to inhale vapor into his body from unregulated, unknown liquid likewise made in China without known quality control, batch testing, etc., in defiance of the regulatory agency under him, and setting an example of a helpless addict who cannot control even the most rudimentary of behaviors?

The thought is ludicrous.

His example must be one of a person who rose above addiction. Smoking, e or otherwise, ain't cool anymore; that's the only acceptable message a leader can send to a watchful nation. He's smart enough to know that.

Can anyone imagine a President of the United States using a Cuban cigar to inhale smoke into his body flavored with unregulated (albeit domestic) juice without known quality control, batch testing, etc., in defiance of the vows made to his partner, and setting an example of a helpless addict who cannot control even the most rudimentary of behaviors?

Seriously though, I think you're right TB, I don't see President Obama going there.

 

[umop apisdn]

There's a distinct lack of realism going on in this thread. Everyone should go back a page and read TropicalBob's posts. Though we'd all love for the president to take up our personal pet issues, that's just not how the system works. We have more power to effect the attitudes of our local and state governments than we do the White House. Getting angry at the feds seems counter productive when that energy would be better spent lobbying locally.

Which is why California is the closest state to legalizing marijuana. They get the work done by petitioning their reps that are closer to them than The White House.