Occasionally frustrated, but hanging in there

[JudeD]

It's been two weeks since I've had an analog and I like vaping a lot better than smoking, but . . . it can be frustrating the same way laptops, cell phones, printers, etc. can be frustrating when they don't do what you want them to do (even when it's user error) and wonderful when they do what you want.

I have a Joye C 1000mah and I use it most of the time, but sometimes the TH is too much for me or I'm working and I want to hold something slim like an analog, so that's when I use my Joye 510 T 280mah. It doesn't produce nearly as much vapor or taste, but I enjoy using it. My problem is--I ordered two packs of five attys for it and only two of them work. How do I know if they are DOA or if they are the wrong attys for this strength battery. What if I ordered LR and they are too much for this battery? What happens when I draw on them is nothing--no LED, no vapor, no sizzle--nothing. Could it be that they aren't touching the battery or are they just dead?

Also, I ordered a bunch of Flux's and I ordered the 2.8-3.0 (because I have no idea what I'm doing here). They are too much for the 280mah. The juice gets burning hot and splashes into my mouth. Not fun. So I'm using them on the 1000mah instead. Is there anything that is like the Stardust, but thin, that will work decently with the 280mah? And I have a Joye 340mah manual battery coming tomorrow. Will the Flux's work with that or is that still not strong enough?
I have Boge cartos, but they are low resistance, so I probably shouldn't use those on the 280mah, should I?

Sorry for the million questions, but I really don't want to get so frustrated by the options and give up on this. I really do love so much about it--the taste, the health benefits, the lack of stink, etc. but it seems like all the vendors assume everyone is an expert at this and they don't spell things out clearly enough for noobs like me. I really wish I could find a vendor that clearly states--This atty/carto/tank/single coil/double coil/whatever should only be used on batteries that are -----mah and above. I'm married to an electrician and I still can't decipher ohms/mah/volts/watts.

One last question (I promise)---sometimes I get a peppery taste when I vape. It's unpleasant. I know nic has a peppery taste. If the juice tastes peppery, do I dilute it with no nic flavorless or let it steep longer so the other flavors mask the nic better? I know it's not because the nic content is too strong because it's a juice that is supposed to be lower than what I normally use (I use 18 and this juice is 12). Do some vendors juices just have a more peppery flavor than others? (Oops, that was another question. Sorry, but I only have a handful more posts before I can't start threads in the noob section. I need to get eja-ma-cated before I get thrown in with the big fish.)

Thanks in advance to any soul who is patient enough to sift through this and share some answers. I promise to do the same for future noobs once I actually have any knowledge to share (that could be a while).

 

[Bwilly]

I get that pepper taste after eating. It doesn't matter what juice I am vaping at that time. I just wait a bit and it goes away. Not real good with the ohms/watts ??. Someone will chime in and answer your ??. Welcome to ECF.

 

[IronAP]

My problem is--I ordered two packs of five attys for it and only two of them work. How do I know if they are DOA or if they are the wrong attys for this strength battery.

You'll need a multimeter to test your carto's like this one. XB-866 Auto Range Digital Multimeter

I have Boge cartos, but they are low resistance, so I probably shouldn't use those on the 280mah, should I?

The resistance is too low for a small battery. It will work well on your 1000 mah batt.

sometimes I get a peppery taste when I vape

the nic level will contribute to a pepper taste/ throat hit but so will the pg- vg ratio.
My best advice to you is keep reading on ecf. There is a wealth of info here which can be overwhelming. Sorry but no one carto-atomizer-tank-voltage-watts-amps- juice-vg-pg-nic combo is a guarantee to be a recipe to your liking.
For example, I like a lr boge on my 5 volt mod with a ry4. The same juice on my ego c a type 1000 mah isn't the same.
I see a vv mod in your future and buy some sample size 6 ml juices with varying pg/vg ratios like this-
Handcrafted E-Liquid and E-Juice

 

[sailorman]

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I have a Joye C 1000mah and I use it most of the time, but sometimes the TH is too much for me or I'm working and I want to hold something slim like an analog, so that's when I use my Joye 510 T 280mah. It doesn't produce nearly as much vapor or taste, but I enjoy using it. My problem is--I ordered two packs of five attys for it and only two of them work. How do I know if they are DOA or if they are the wrong attys for this strength battery.

The only way to know if to meter them or try them in a known good battery. You need a multimeter to tell. If they're the wrong attys, they'd still work but the vapor would be poor, or they'd damage your battery.

What if I ordered LR and they are too much for this battery? What happens when I draw on them is nothing--no LED, no vapor, no sizzle--nothing. Could it be that they aren't touching the battery or are they just dead?

It could be either one. If the LED isn't coming on, the battery is dead. At least my 510's will light up with or without a carto attached. If you use 1.5ohm LR cartos in a 280mah battery, it will either kill it instantly or fairly quickly.

Also, I ordered a bunch of Flux's and I ordered the 2.8-3.0 (because I have no idea what I'm doing here). They are too much for the 280mah. The juice gets burning hot and splashes into my mouth. Not fun. So I'm using them on the 1000mah instead. Is there anything that is like the Stardust, but thin, that will work decently with the 280mah? And I have a Joye 340mah manual battery coming tomorrow. Will the Flux's work with that or is that still not strong enough?
I have Boge cartos, but they are low resistance, so I probably shouldn't use those on the 280mah, should I?

Both the 280 or the 340mah are strong enough for a 2.8-3.0ohm Flux. Other than the fact that you shouldn't use resistance lower than 2ohms with a battery under 450mah, it's not the capacity that matters, it's the voltage. A 280mah and a 1000mah battery both put out roughly the same voltage. If it works on a 3.7V 280mah battery, it'll work on a 1000mah 3.7V battery, and vice-versa. But if the ohms are too low, it might kill the 280mah battery.
I don't know what the problem you're having with the Flux. I use them all the time without a problem. The resistance is high enough that you shouldn't have a burning problem. IF anything, it should be a little cool. The 2.4-2.6 is better for 3.7V. Maybe you're puffing too hard??

Sorry for the million questions, but I really don't want to get so frustrated by the options and give up on this. I really do love so much about it--the taste, the health benefits, the lack of stink, etc. but it seems like all the vendors assume everyone is an expert at this and they don't spell things out clearly enough for noobs like me. I really wish I could find a vendor that clearly states--This atty/carto/tank/single coil/double coil/whatever should only be used on batteries that are -----mah and above. I'm married to an electrician and I still can't decipher ohms/mah/volts/watts.

The only main thing you need to worry about now is don't use anything under 2ohms with a battery less than 450mah.
The lower the ohms, the hotter the vapor and the more strain it puts on the battery. Small batteries can't handle the strain. Use 2ohm or 2.5ohm with your 280 and 340 batteries. You can use anything with the 1000mah battery. The same 2 to 2.5ohms will probably give you decent vapor production, but 1.5 or 1.7ohm will be better. Just don't use them on the small batteries. Dual coils shouldn't be used under 450mah either, for the same reason. They really shouldn't be used on a 3.7V battery at all, just because they really need 4 or more volts to work well. What you want is 2 or 2.5ohms single coils for the little batteries, and 1.5 or 1.7ohms for the big one.

Volts X volts / ohms = Watts. Most people like between 6 and 10 watts. Plug your battery voltage and your cartomizer resistance (ohms) into that formula and you'll see how warm your vapor gets as you change ohms. Watts = heat.

One last question (I promise)---sometimes I get a peppery taste when I vape. It's unpleasant. I know nic has a peppery taste. If the juice tastes peppery, do I dilute it with no nic flavorless or let it steep longer so the other flavors mask the nic better? I know it's not because the nic content is too strong because it's a juice that is supposed to be lower than what I normally use (I use 18 and this juice is 12). Do some vendors juices just have a more peppery flavor than others? (Oops, that was another question. Sorry, but I only have a handful more posts before I can't start threads in the noob section. I need to get eja-ma-cated before I get thrown in with the big fish.)

Some vendors use ingredients to increase "throat hit". One of those ingredients is capascin(sp?), or pepper juice. It's possible that your vendor uses pepper juice to maintain throat hit in their low nicotine juice.

Thanks in advance to any soul who is patient enough to sift through this and share some answers. I promise to do the same for future noobs once I actually have any knowledge to share (that could be a while).

Y.W. PIF

 

[occultangle]

Volts X volts / ohms = Watts. Most people like between 6 and 10 watts. Plug your battery voltage and your cartomizer resistance (ohms) into that formula and you'll see how warm your vapor gets as you change ohms. Watts = heat.

Y.W. PIF

Hello, been lurking here for a while and was wondering about watts myself. Where does the second volts come from in the equation? I understand the volts of my battery and the ohms of my atty, but where does a second voltage come from?

 

[moishesmom]

Sounds like you've already gotten some expert answers.....my only advice for the peppery taste is to dilute w/a few drops of vg; it'll cut the sharp taste or burn you're getting - I do it all the time.

 

[sailorman]

Hello, been lurking here for a while and was wondering about watts myself. Where does the second volts come from in the equation? I understand the volts of my battery and the ohms of my atty, but where does a second voltage come from?

Both volts are the battery voltage. IOW, Volts squared, divided by the ohms equals the watts.
I wasn't sure about the symbol for "squared". I think it's Volts^2/ohms=Watts.

 

[occultangle]

Both volts are the battery voltage. IOW, Volts squared, divided by the ohms equals the watts.
I wasn't sure about the symbol for "squared". I think it's Volts^2/ohms=Watts.

No, sorry, it's my fault. I'm just stupid at math. So in other words, if you have a 3.4 volt, ego battery with the regular 2.2 ohm atomizer, you would have 5.25 watts. Awesome, now I finally understand that. Thank you.

 

[gimmieshelter31]

Bookmark THIS ohms law calculator. Easy to use.

 

[JudeD]

Wow. Thanks for the great answers!

So the mah is just how long the battery will last and the power of the battery is the voltage? Learn something new every day.
I also thought I had to avoid higher ohms, not lower, with the smaller battery. How embarrassing to be married to an electrical contractor and be so utterly clueless about all this. Thirty years and I haven't learned a darn thing.

Sailorman, I've tested the batteries and they were charged. They work with other attys and cartomizers, just not the new attys which say 510-T right on them. They aren't cartomizers, just attys that work with separate tank cartridges. Unlike my ego-C, my ego T is automatic so no light comes on unless I draw on it with a working atty. My husband has lots of different meters for work. I'm sure he has something that will test them, but if he doesn't, I'll order one of my own. Besides the larger battery for the ego t, I also have an ego C twist battery coming tomorrow so I'll be able to play around with vv and see if that improves things for me. My math teachers in high school always told me I would need to know how to use formulas later in life, but I didn't believe them. I hate when math teachers are right.

I'll also try the flux's on the 280mah again. I probably just panicked and thought I was doing something wrong.

I have juice from several different vendors. I'm going to take note of when I get that peppery taste to see if only happens with a particular vendor's juice. If so, I won't order from them again and I'll dilute the juice I already have from them. Most likely normal people wouldn't even notice it, but I'm a wimp when it comes to anything spicy.

I blanked when I saw PIF, so I search engined it. My mouth dropped open when I saw that it is slang for something we aren't allowed to talk about on here. I thought, "Why would Sailorman put that at the bottom of his reply to me?" Then I searched further and saw it can also mean Pay It Forward. Thank you, Sailorman. I will once I have something worth forwarding.

 

[sailorman]

Yep, you can think of mah sort of like a gas tank. It represents how much energy the battery is storing.
If you get ahold of a meter, check the resistance of the atomizer that came with the 510-T. That will at least tell you what the factory thinks you should use.

I didn't know PIF had another meaning. Now I'm curious. Hmmm...

 

[elfstone]

I blanked when I saw PIF, so I search engined it. My mouth dropped open when I saw that it is slang for something we aren't allowed to talk about on here.

Well... search engines nowadays give the results based on users' search histories

J/K

 

[JudeD]

Yep, you can think of mah sort of like a gas tank. It represents how much energy the battery is storing.
If you get ahold of a meter, check the resistance of the atomizer that came with the 510-T. That will at least tell you what the factory thinks you should use.

I didn't know PIF had another meaning. Now I'm curious. Hmmm...

My husband and I are the perfect pair. He can't spell to save his life and I hate anything to do with math. I had a really mean (REALLY MEAN) Algebra teacher in ninth grade and ever since then, I break into a cold sweat when anyone starts speaking algebraic to me. My daughters are all excellent at math (the oldest one is an aerospace engineer, for pete's sake) and when they would ask me questions about their math homework, it was like Charlie Brown's teacher was speaking---all I heard was, "Wont, wont wont, wont, wont wont wont." But it's okay because my husband gets the same deer-in-headlights look when they need help with literature or spelling. We balance each other out.

find that other definition yet??

 

[elfstone]

If it works on a 3.7V 280mah battery, it'll work on a 1000mah 3.7V battery, and vice-versa. But if the ohms are too low, it might kill the 280mah battery.
I don't know what the problem you're having with the Flux. I use them all the time without a problem. The resistance is high enough that you shouldn't have a burning problem. IF anything, it should be a little cool. The 2.4-2.6 is better for 3.7V. Maybe you're puffing too hard??

Jude, isn't your 1000 mAh an eGo-C? That's what I thought....

Because then it makes sense. eGo is regulated at ~3.3V and the 510 is probably unregulated and may start as high as 4.1 V fresh off the charger - that's why the vape is hotter, maybe.

Fluxes do tend to vape hot because the coil is very close to the mouthpiece. That's one of the reasons I had to let them go...

 

[JudeD]

Well... search engines nowadays give the results based on users' search histories

J/K

Which is why when I searched it, the first few answers were--Perfectly Innocent Female. I had to really dig through the pages to find the shocking definition.

 

[sailorman]

I dunno. This is all I can find. Sounds like Google has your number.

PIF Program Information File (file extension)
PIF Pay It Forward (movie)
PIF Pooled Income Fund
PIF Paid In Full
PIF Pacific Islands Forum
PIF Public Investment Fund
PIF Proteolysis Inducing Factor (tumor product)
PIF Policies-In-Force (insurance)
PIF Picture Interchange Format
PIF Productivity Investment Fund
PIF Professional Investor Fund
PIF Prolactin Release-Inhibiting Factor
PIF Participant Information Form
PIF Plan Individuel de Formation (French: Individual Training Plan; various locations)
PIF Private Interest Foundation (legal entity)
PIF Public Information Film (UK)
PIF Property Investment Fund
PIF Prototype Integration Facility
PIF Project Initiation Form (various locations)
PIF Policy Investment Framework
PIF Personnel Information File
PIF Productivity Improvement Fund
PIF Pilot Information File
PIF Payload Integration Facility (NASA)
PIF Project Information File (design document)
PIF Peace Implementation Force
PIF Productivity Improvement Factor
PIF Packet Input FIFO (Cisco)
PIF Physics Is Fun (school program)
PIF Personal Info Form
PIF Performance Influencing Factor
PIF Procurement Information Form (Canada)
PIF Price Increase Factor
PIF Peripheral Interchange Format
PIF Phase Interface Fading
PIF Personnel Identification Feature
PIF Pressure Injected Footing
PIF Physical Integration Filter
PIF Poke-International Forums
PIF Process Information Form
PIF Production Integration Facility
PIF Production Information Form
PIF Pay Information File
PIF Provisions of Industrial Facilities
PIF Place In Inactive File/Folder
PIF Portsmouth Interfaith Forum (UK)
PIF Partners International Foundation (various locations)

 

[sailorman]

Ohhhh.. KKKKK... I found it. Seems there are a couple of definitions that can't be spoken of around here.
Jeeezze... I must be getting old, I thought I knew everything about one of those errr.. fields of interest. I'll let you guess which one.

 

[elfstone]

Yeah, you are definitely getting older. Tip: when you search for unallowed stuff skip google, go to straigh urban dictionary, and I'm pretty sure she meant

 

[JudeD]

Jude, isn't your 1000 mAh an eGo-C? That's what I thought....

Because then it makes sense. eGo is regulated at ~3.3V and the 510 is probably unregulated and may start as high as 4.1 V fresh off the charger - that's why the vape is hotter, maybe.

Fluxes do tend to vape hot because the coil is very close to the mouthpiece. That's one of the reasons I had to let them go...

Yes, my 1000mah is an eGo-C and my 280mah is a Joye 510-T.

 

[JudeD]

Yeah, you are definitely getting older. Tip: when you search for unallowed stuff skip google, go to straigh urban dictionary, and I'm pretty sure she meant

Ding, ding, ding--we have a winner.