Beginner's Ignorance with Sub-Ohm Vaping
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I honestly did not realise that they were that dangerous (although I would have done lots of research before buying any mech mod anyway), but thanks for the post. You have educated me before I get to the point where I want to try mechs and sub ohming.
I don't "blame" them either, but as I've posted before, I really think the ones that wrap a coil and state something along the lines of "I don't need to check this, I know from experience it should be around 0.4 ohms" are being horribly irresponsible and setting a bad example for vapers.
The sad thing is that being safe is so damn easy. Not like you need an advanced degree in electrical engineering to do things right.
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I didn't ask him where he got it or if he made the build himself. I know it wasn't a mech or RBA that this specific vape shop sells. This vape shop has a strict policy of not building coils below 1.0 ohm by the sales staff for customers.
That Samsung ICR battery was often included with certain mods like an Evic or Vamo if purchased online from places like FastTech. I didn't really get into the details on how he happened to be using that battery. It really doesn't matter; its the WRONG BATTERY to be using in any mod, period.
Battery Basics for Mods: IMR or protected ICR?
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Lots of clouds of vapor for one. A side benefit is that the vapor is concentrated in an RBA so that more nicotine/vapor is delivered per puff. One typically can drop down "at least" one level nicotine when sub-ohming. Myself, I had been stuck at 12mg nicotine for over a year. Once I began sub-ohming at 0.6 ohm I have dropped my nic level to either 6mg or 0mg in just a month's time.
I consider myself a "safer" sub-ohm vaper. I use the appropriate high amp battery from a well known manufacturer purchased from a reputable dealer (which is important should you not know that). I know how to use Ohm's Law to know if the batteries I use are capable of powering the coils that I build. I measure my coils on an Ohm meter for resistance BEFORE I even fire it on a mod, and measure them periodically to insure their resistance remains what I built them to. I know how to recognize the symptoms of a hard short in my setup. So, in simpler terms: I know what I am doing and am using the appropriate tools & setup to do sub-ohms safer.
Some changing thoughts on sub-ohm vaping by PBusardo:
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But understand that the huge cloud of vapor comes at a price ($$$$$$)
You will be using at least twice as much liquid, and will go through the 300-500 charge cycles of the battery in 1/4 the time.
So from the stand point of efficiency, sub ohm (high wattage) vaping is the least efficient way to vape that there is.
That's a good point but like me, when i sub-ohming i tend to vape less cause of the nic hit so no problem with liquid[emoji6]
Back to the point, some people just amazed by the amount of vapour that sub ohm produced and some people just too lazy to explain what it takes and their safety measure to produced it. so an advice for all of you sub ohmers out there including myself, take responsibility for your kick a** vapour show and explain it to all that have interest in it[emoji1]
Just my .2$ lol
I'm seeing this exact situation more and more each and every day. I've kind of washed my hands of it. When someone comes in asking about sub-ohming, I politely refer them to anyone other than me.
I hate to be a stick in the mud, but from what I've experienced and seen on a regular, consistent basis, it's going to happen (it being something horrible) -- and I can almost guarantee it will be a young adult. It's not a matter of if, but when.
TJ99959 is also absolutely correct. Going sub-ohm means a TON more juice is being used (so saving money via vaping goes right out the window) and you'll become obsessed with your batteries being charged. I knew a kid who checked on his Orbtronic batteries every ten minutes and would come back cussing a blue streak because they weren't charging fast enough. It's a hobby, that's for sure, and if that is what you want out of vaping, go for it.
I hate to be a stick in the mud, but from what I've experienced and seen on a regular, consistent basis, it's going to happen (it being something horrible) -- and I can almost guarantee it will be a young adult. It's not a matter of if, but when.
TJ99959 is also absolutely correct. Going sub-ohm means a TON more juice is being used (so saving money via vaping goes right out the window) and you'll become obsessed with your batteries being charged. I knew a kid who checked on his Orbtronic batteries every ten minutes and would come back cussing a blue streak because they weren't charging fast enough. It's a hobby, that's for sure, and if that is what you want out of vaping, go for it.
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I drive a full sized car, live in a bigger house than I really need and spend more on groceries than I really need to in order to survive.
At $15 a battery, 300 cycles, 2 charges a day, it will last me 150 days, so $0.70 a week. I was making my own juice since before I started vaping at 30 watts which costs me around $0.10 a ml. I vape around 6 ml a day, so it costs me $4.20 a week. I used to spend $30 a week on smokes and that's gone up since I quit.
You're absolutely right tj, high power vaping is the least efficient way to do this. But if I wanted to cut back on costs, I'm not going to get far trying to save by vaping more efficiently. Now, with the price of gas these days, going to a smaller car OTOH ...
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Other than what's already been said, you can consider it the "extreme" version of vaping. It's no different than kids hotrodding their cars or doing x-sports.
Also, something else I've noticed. I see close to a hundred vapers every day I work, and statistical observation shows that almost 99% of sub-ohmers are young men. I very rarely see ladies or young women interested in sub-ohming. The female sub-ohmers on ECF are an exception, but we all know ECFers represent a minute fraction of vapers. Since the sub-ohm craze hit big, I've met two -- two -- women IRL who sub-ohm. Go figure.
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I was mostly concerned with the idea that there might be a shop suggesting a setup like this to someone new to such things. I know I've seen 2 people here using similar setups that they got at a local shop.. That greatly concerns me when I think that they couldn't be the only ones that were pointed toward a mech with ICR batteries (blue chinese cheap pieces of... ) and in both of their cases cheap _____fire chargers.
If the person you encountered went to fasttech for their gear then it's on them, if they went to another b&m and were talked into getting that gear then there would be a problem that might need to be addressed.
twas the only reason I asked.
Anyone who wants to get into sub-ohm should have to look at that pic of exploding mod. Wooo, that really puts the whole issue in perspective.
Believe me, I've had RC batteries blow up in packs I built back in the day, FAR away from my person, and that was enough of a primer on what could happen by sticking them (essentially) into my mouth.Anyone who wants to get into sub-ohm should have to look at that pic of exploding mod. Wooo, that really puts the whole issue in perspective.
It made me fear for our public education system...even more. As an ex-math nerd, I was appalled.
Is there a safer battery then the vtc4?
Of course if being used with
the correct set us
Of course if being used with
the correct set us
I've been researching a lot lately and the reason I haven't pulled the trigger on any mech or RDA, is because I don't know how to crunch the numbers on ohms/voltage output/battery drainage. I've seen enough information to know that I'm just scared.
I'm super excited to learn how to sub-ohm vape and I'm hoping to eventually get to a level of knowledge where I would feel comfortable actually starting, but that might not be for another month or two (or more). Every time I look at the shopping cart wish list and hold out my vape budget hands, I start saying things in my head like:
-I could shave a few bucks by not getting a voltage output meter (this site says the current drop is X the particular mod I want)
-I have an ohm meter on my provari (even though if money wasn't an option I would want a dedicated ohm reader for several reasons)
-This battery would probably be fine because the description says "Sub-ohmers dream" (But I have no idea how to check and compare concrete numbers and come to that conclusion on my own)
Sub-Ohm'ing seems so enticing, but as soon as I hear myself short-cutting or trying to justify that it's okay that I don't know the correct answer, I know I'm not ready and proceed to close the wish list that is open on my browser.
Some days I'm super pumped, and other days I feel like if I bought one now, it would be like buying bomb and holding it to my head every day, praying it doesn't go off.
Other days there's that little voice in my head that goes, you'll be smart and careful and if it was so unsafe, how could so many people be doing it.
One day I will be able to know all the facts and precautions back to front, but I don't see that being for a while.
Maybe I'm being to cautious about this, but for the meantime, I'll be vaping my provari and taking baby steps by learning to build standard resistance coils for my protank.
I'm super excited to learn how to sub-ohm vape and I'm hoping to eventually get to a level of knowledge where I would feel comfortable actually starting, but that might not be for another month or two (or more). Every time I look at the shopping cart wish list and hold out my vape budget hands, I start saying things in my head like:
-I could shave a few bucks by not getting a voltage output meter (this site says the current drop is X the particular mod I want)
-I have an ohm meter on my provari (even though if money wasn't an option I would want a dedicated ohm reader for several reasons)
-This battery would probably be fine because the description says "Sub-ohmers dream" (But I have no idea how to check and compare concrete numbers and come to that conclusion on my own)
Sub-Ohm'ing seems so enticing, but as soon as I hear myself short-cutting or trying to justify that it's okay that I don't know the correct answer, I know I'm not ready and proceed to close the wish list that is open on my browser.
Some days I'm super pumped, and other days I feel like if I bought one now, it would be like buying bomb and holding it to my head every day, praying it doesn't go off.
Other days there's that little voice in my head that goes, you'll be smart and careful and if it was so unsafe, how could so many people be doing it.
One day I will be able to know all the facts and precautions back to front, but I don't see that being for a while.
Maybe I'm being to cautious about this, but for the meantime, I'll be vaping my provari and taking baby steps by learning to build standard resistance coils for my protank.
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Hilarious, in the worst kind of way.
Is that what our nation's public schools are putting out?
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