Off topic posts relating to the FDA comment submissions thread

[CheeMiss]

But it isn't helpful to post notes on this forum calling the FDA Nazis or claiming that its a waste of time to send the FDA comments. That is totally counterproductive.

Since when is telling the TRUTH about an organization using THUG TACTICS to prevent futuristic products not allowed???

There have been and still are MANY inventors suffering FDA THUG TATICS to this day. Whether YOU want to admit it or not.

Here is a perfect case for my comments. Click on this link and read ALL THE WAY TO THE BOTTOM for the THUG TATICS I speak of. I bought my Bio-Tuner from the manufacturer in Canada, where they are no longer allowed to post any of the healing results that people have experienced with their product.

Read the horror story that the Alpha-Stim creator and his family were subjected to by the FDA. And also read the section of what they had to do and who they had to involve to stop them.

I promise NOT to post any more comments about the FDA, as I see now that people really do live in fantasy land when it comes to them.


Remember to read all the way to the bottom for the FDA story.

*** here is the link: Alpha-Stim

here is another link to yet another company that also was chased by Health Canada THUGS, who are now, since the Supreme Court ruling, working with the True Hope.com people.

Make sure you click on the NEWS ROOM TAB and then click on the videos marked Part 1 thru Part 5.

*** Truehope: Take control of your nutrition and mental health

here is another person, who I personally met at the Health Expo. A whistle blower who was fired by Health Canada, for trying to protect us.
Dr. Shiv Chopra. Google search his fight against the corruption.

*** here is his web site: Shiv Chopra

My point, after you investigate those links, is that it is an effort in futility communicating with either of the two countries regulatory systems....BECAUSE THEY JUST WON'T LISTEN.

The above people had to look outside of these two regulatory bodies to realize any help or justice. And these are just a few of them out of the many.

And on that note, I wish you well in your endeavor.

 

[CheeMiss]

Sending letters to the FDA is like asking the Nazi police to spare your life. lolololol Your pleas will go unnoticed! And you all know that.

Originally Posted by Bill Godshall
But it isn't helpful to post notes on this forum calling the FDA Nazis or claiming that its a waste of time to send the FDA comments. That is totally counterproductive.

To Bill Godshall......where in my above post do you read that I called the FDA Nazis???? IF YOU ARE GOING TO QUOTE SOMEONE THEN QUOTE THEM AND NOT TWIST THEIR WORDING AROUND TO ACHIEVE YOUR GOAL.

Having said that.....please by all means, write all the letters you want to the FDA. It is your God Given Right! But don't cry when you see that they couldn't care less, and that perhaps you should have taken a totally different road and got the attention of the people in power that CAN make a difference in the FDA policy.

 

[JoeMcPlumber]

If even half of the people who have posted messages on this forum simply sends a comment to the FDA urging reasonable and responsible regulations for e-cigarettes (instead of FDA's current policy of misrepresenting health risks, harassing e-cigarette vendors, and blocking shipments into the US), e-cigarettes will remain legally accessible and affordable for many years to come.

How do you reckon?

I don't see how our comments can possibly make any difference at all
unless they are received by intelligent people who are truly concerned
with public health, harm reduction, and the truth.
Right in your post you indicate otherwise
when you acknowledge their current policy.

So do you think it likely their minds will be changed
by the sheer number of us submitting comments?
Or do you think maybe they'd use our own words
to fit their predetermined agenda?

As skydragon pointed out, it's all in the terminology, the semantic presentation,
and i think that people should be VERY careful about what they say.

This Request for Comments is asking for specific things,
in re the implementation of the Family Smoking Prevention and tobacco Control Act.
Amongst the things they want to hear,
in fact the primary thing that they (say that) they want to hear,
is public input on harm reduction.

They specified that they'd like to hear comments under the category
"Products with "reduced harm/risk'' claims",
and i think that might in fact be a deliberate opening for us.
Especially since someone thought to enclose the key phrase in skeptical quotation marks.

So what i'm getting at here is context...
i don't think that e-cigarettes should be considered in the context of implementation of this law AT ALL,
except as the very best possibility for harm reduction, ever.
And that possibility should be considered as a separate matter
at a later time.

Meanwhile i would refrain from asking for regulation
under either category of product you cited.
If the FDA is truly interested in public health,
then we should urge them only to keep their hands off
while the process of careful consideration and research is conducted.
I can't advocate cramming it into a category in which it very clearly doesn't belong,
nor into a category which might justify taking the products off the market
until they are fully vetted.

And personally i can't ask that my kitchen be turned into a toxic laboratory
in order to appease the more hysterical folks.
I had to buy e-liquid because the carts were prohibitively expensive,
but i don't like handling the stuff and the inability to purchase pre-flavored liquid
would mean i'd have all that much more handling to do.
Not to mention it would put some folks out of business altogether.

- joe

EDIT: I am failing to understand in what manner this post is "off-topic".
In fact it seems to me entirely on topic,
speaking, as it does, to careful choosing of language in postings to an official agency.
I certainly don't see anywhere implied or expressed
that i consider this endeavor a "waste of time".

I call foul,
especially in the context of posts which remain undisturbed.