Official update post for PIF
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Welcome Rev. Farrier. This will all be worked out shortly and we can get back to our regularly scheduled fun and lighthearted way of doing things. This is such a wonderful place, with an abundance warm and caring people. Have you checked out the PIF thread yet? 
Thank you for the kind welcome. I have looked at the PIF thread a time or two, but there are still a few things that I don't understand (like the posts that start with ::: Does not count::: ) I was planning on studying it a bit more deeply when I found myself with more to offer. All I have at the moment is a single bottle of Apple that I tried and don't dislike, just don't like it either. I was told by someone that even such a meager offering is ok, but I wouldn't feel right accepting a good size offering and then turning around and offering up something like a single bottle, even if it is considered acceptable. I plan on watching and learning a bit more before I join in the fun. (of course if someone offers up a dead 601 pipe bowl, I may have to try to scrape together a better offer and join in a little early )
Again, thank you for the welcome
Rev. R. Farrier
)Again, thank you for the welcome
Rev. R. Farrier
Reverend, You are welcome here. We are normally a fun group (family). We know that offers start small from new members. Someone will jump in and add something to it if noone takes it after a little while. No worries. Before you know it, you will will giving back like everyone else. Have fun. Sending and receiving packages can be addicting!!
Hmmmmmm. You may be fortunate enough to find someone here that has what you need and happens to love apple flavored juice. Ya never know.
The ****Doesn't Count**** notes that you are seeing on PIF means that someone is simply making a comment or perhaps quoting another post. If it ****Doesn't Count**** it is neither an offer or an acceptance. Hope that helps a bit.
The ****Doesn't Count**** notes that you are seeing on PIF means that someone is simply making a comment or perhaps quoting another post. If it ****Doesn't Count**** it is neither an offer or an acceptance. Hope that helps a bit.
I'm so glad to hear that the original PIF thread isn't going anywhere.
I'm trying to see the angle that our PIF thread isn't actually paying it forward and I just can't do it. Vleath brought up a good example that I mentioned before somewhere. One of our local radio stations declared it PIF day. They encouraged everyone to PIF by paying for the person in line behind you somewhere. When you do this, you have no idea if the person is wealthy or broke. You don't do it based on what the person has, you do it to GIVE. You do it with the hopes that you'll affect that person's day positively. And, if the plan works, then that person will pay for the person behind them without knowing their financial status, and so on. This is essentially what we're doing. The only difference is we're getting to pick the offers we take and the person who takes DOES PIF to someone else. But people aren't being greedy and taking every offer. People aren't ONLY going for the big ticket items. Our offers are not of equal value. People are adding to offers without getting anything in return. And people most certainly aren't participating in that thread to benefit themselves.
I'm not trying to turn this into a "look what I've done" post, but I wanted to give you an example of how this thread as affected me. A person posted in a thread here that they wanted to buy some TV samples. I just happened to have those flavors. I PM'd that person and said I'd send them some samples for free. I couldn't see charging for 3ml bottles. The person was VERY grateful and told me if I ever needed anything to let him know. I told him that all I ask is that one day, if he's in the position, give to someone else. I didn't know if that guy NEEDED the samples or his financial situation, nor did I care. I gave because it's in the spirit of this subforum. A subforum that NEVER would've been created if it wasn't for that orginal PIF thread.
I do not see how the meaning of that thread has changed one bit. Is it because a few people have come in and taken advantage of us? Is it because of the rules? Those who have taken advantage will always find a way to take advantage and we'll always weed those people out. Rules have proven to be necessary as we've continued to grow.
We're all adults and the majority of the times we work out our problems on our own. The rules are partly there to help us self police ourselves in case of disagreements. I see nothing wrong with them. (other than the it's ok to sell things you've received from PIF but I digress) Either way, the thread is EXACTLY what it was when Clumsy started it, just more streamlined now.
As for the mod situation, I don't think there should be a single head mod. I think that if we have 3 mods now, which we do, then they're all equal. As individuals, if we have issues that need to be addressed by a mod, we should rotate who we contact. Not something that needs to be kept track of in the forum, just something we can individually try to remember.
Ok, my novel is finished. You can buy it in hard cover at your local Barnes and Noble.
I'm trying to see the angle that our PIF thread isn't actually paying it forward and I just can't do it. Vleath brought up a good example that I mentioned before somewhere. One of our local radio stations declared it PIF day. They encouraged everyone to PIF by paying for the person in line behind you somewhere. When you do this, you have no idea if the person is wealthy or broke. You don't do it based on what the person has, you do it to GIVE. You do it with the hopes that you'll affect that person's day positively. And, if the plan works, then that person will pay for the person behind them without knowing their financial status, and so on. This is essentially what we're doing. The only difference is we're getting to pick the offers we take and the person who takes DOES PIF to someone else. But people aren't being greedy and taking every offer. People aren't ONLY going for the big ticket items. Our offers are not of equal value. People are adding to offers without getting anything in return. And people most certainly aren't participating in that thread to benefit themselves.
I'm not trying to turn this into a "look what I've done" post, but I wanted to give you an example of how this thread as affected me. A person posted in a thread here that they wanted to buy some TV samples. I just happened to have those flavors. I PM'd that person and said I'd send them some samples for free. I couldn't see charging for 3ml bottles. The person was VERY grateful and told me if I ever needed anything to let him know. I told him that all I ask is that one day, if he's in the position, give to someone else. I didn't know if that guy NEEDED the samples or his financial situation, nor did I care. I gave because it's in the spirit of this subforum. A subforum that NEVER would've been created if it wasn't for that orginal PIF thread.
I do not see how the meaning of that thread has changed one bit. Is it because a few people have come in and taken advantage of us? Is it because of the rules? Those who have taken advantage will always find a way to take advantage and we'll always weed those people out. Rules have proven to be necessary as we've continued to grow.
We're all adults and the majority of the times we work out our problems on our own. The rules are partly there to help us self police ourselves in case of disagreements. I see nothing wrong with them. (other than the it's ok to sell things you've received from PIF but I digress) Either way, the thread is EXACTLY what it was when Clumsy started it, just more streamlined now.
As for the mod situation, I don't think there should be a single head mod. I think that if we have 3 mods now, which we do, then they're all equal. As individuals, if we have issues that need to be addressed by a mod, we should rotate who we contact. Not something that needs to be kept track of in the forum, just something we can individually try to remember.
Ok, my novel is finished. You can buy it in hard cover at your local Barnes and Noble.
Ok...this is it...last I'm explaining myself...if you want to take it up with me you can pm me...
I said in a perfect situation...we're simply not going to have that...and it would take avery responsible person with the time to handle that mess...I certainly wouldn't want to be that person..
that right there is the crux of my argument....that is not PIF
As for killing it...no again you miss my point...not killing it but calling it what it truely is...
And this is the way it should be...very nicely done and I applaud you for that...but that is the true spirit of things..and what the true heart of this group should be about...
that's was my point and message....so many heartbroken when jules left....and others upset that others had left too...but why did it happen...what changed....it's something that we as a group did or failed to do...and that bears introspection and a true look in at our own motivations and whether it meets the true spirit of the namesake of this group...and if not a realization that you may have been part of the problem...some may treat the PIF thread truely...for others it's a glorified swap wrapped in a shiny feel good wrapper...unfortunately I see more of the second than the first in it..
And that's all I have to say here about that...you may choose to disagree and that's your right...but that's how I see it and there's yet to be an argument yet to prove to me otherwise
Mick11...I'm not saying there is some sort of threshold where it becomes need...but yeah you've got 1 device...now compare that to the swaping of those that have stockplies and 100s and 100ml of juice....do they really need that 6ml of this and 6ml of that...
I said in a perfect situation...we're simply not going to have that...and it would take avery responsible person with the time to handle that mess...I certainly wouldn't want to be that person..
that right there is the crux of my argument....that is not PIF
but again the concept is different...here you can hold what you have until you see something you want and then jump on it and you have 10 minutes to make an offer...
I hope you see my point that it's sharing without reguard to what you get out of it..or expecting anything at all...
no not every post, there were some about how something must have gone very wrong with the original intent to cause several of the original people in the group to leave it...
As for killing it...no again you miss my point...not killing it but calling it what it truely is...
yeah they encourage you to pay for someone else somewhere at some point...and it's giving before you get....this is quite the reverse of that...it's getting and then giving and you can pick what you want...and then have 10 minutes to give something...it's not selfless giving or acts of random kindness...it's giving because you got and with a time constraint to top it off...
And this is the way it should be...very nicely done and I applaud you for that...but that is the true spirit of things..and what the true heart of this group should be about...
that's was my point and message....so many heartbroken when jules left....and others upset that others had left too...but why did it happen...what changed....it's something that we as a group did or failed to do...and that bears introspection and a true look in at our own motivations and whether it meets the true spirit of the namesake of this group...and if not a realization that you may have been part of the problem...some may treat the PIF thread truely...for others it's a glorified swap wrapped in a shiny feel good wrapper...unfortunately I see more of the second than the first in it..
And that's all I have to say here about that...you may choose to disagree and that's your right...but that's how I see it and there's yet to be an argument yet to prove to me otherwise
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Drozd: If it's any consolation, I agree with 99% of what you've said in all these posts. That's also why I mostly watch the "needs" and "want" thread. I'm not looking to get something in order to offer something someone may want or need. I'm not saying there's anything wrong with how PIF has been, but it IS more like a trading thread IMO as well.
That's my
and I'll go back to checking the other 2 threads.
That's my
and I'll go back to checking the other 2 threads. 
Drozd, you can't make people learn by forcing them, you do it by guiding them.
The group has not failed it just has some growing pains and they are being worked out. No one expected the turn of events and all it did was set us back a little. Truth be told it had nothing to do with the Pay-it-Forward thread, someone selling stuff they got on PIF or any of that and it is being handled behind the scenes as it should be.
The group has not failed it just has some growing pains and they are being worked out. No one expected the turn of events and all it did was set us back a little. Truth be told it had nothing to do with the Pay-it-Forward thread, someone selling stuff they got on PIF or any of that and it is being handled behind the scenes as it should be.
As a side note...
I'm totally against you as the main subforum Mod... words such as truth have very little meaning to me coming from you...
it's only a shame that it's against the forum rules to share PMs...else I'd have a lot more to say to drag into the harsh light of day for all to see...
Alluding to PMs, IMO, should be against the rules as well. Are you trying to start a fight? Because that's what I'm seeing from your posts.
If you have this much of a problem with what is going on-why are you staying? Just an honest question, because I don't get it. If I had as much problem as you seem to with this group, I would leave it.
Because lilith... unfortunately I'm someone that actually gives a damn and cares and have a nasty character flaw of standing up for what is right and what the truth is...
And what the group was intended is not what it's become...
the reason Jules left...yeah for the reasons I stated in an earlier post...and well because GD helped push her out...
we talk about making a push for power and control of this group...and I believe that that is what GD is doing....sacrificed jules to do it...
Are our words uplifting or putting down. Can we look back on our goodness when we lay on our death bed. Because that is the true test of our actions: will we regret them or applaud them later...
Can I point out that Good Dog was offer to be the main Mod here...and flat out refused it Then Blaze took over.
Besides it's a moderator position on subform online, we are talking about here.....what 'power'?
Edit: right here...Jules says she offered it to CL and then to GD both declined....if your pushing someone out and making a grab for a position. Would you turn down the position? http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/pay-forward/95593-new-leader.html
Besides it's a moderator position on subform online, we are talking about here.....what 'power'?
Edit: right here...Jules says she offered it to CL and then to GD both declined....if your pushing someone out and making a grab for a position. Would you turn down the position? http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/pay-forward/95593-new-leader.html
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I'm confused.. If Blaze is the main mod of this group now, why does his name not appear as one. and what about this excerpt from the main PIF group page?
Pay It Forward
Group Maintained by GoodDog
What I see, at the bottom of the forum page, is this:
Moderators
Moderators : 16
Jules22871, WhatAClumsyGirl, GoodDog, Timtam, Elapid, ZambucaLu, Reign, Misty, j0ker, Elendil, Fedor, lightgeoduck, Raven_Blackblade, stubear62, ejoker, Sun Vaporer
Moderators
Moderators : 16
Jules22871, WhatAClumsyGirl, GoodDog, Timtam, Elapid, ZambucaLu, Reign, Misty, j0ker, Elendil, Fedor, lightgeoduck, Raven_Blackblade, stubear62, ejoker, Sun Vaporer
That IDK, I do know that one of the main forum mods would have been the one to edit it.
and that the understanding was that Blaze is the main sub mod here, with GD and CL as submods. See the very first page of this thread.
and that the understanding was that Blaze is the main sub mod here, with GD and CL as submods. See the very first page of this thread.
The group is going through changes and I am in a temporary position as moderator. Like I have said on several occasions I do not want to be the moderator of this group. I came back with nephilim to help save it from the changes we felt could harm the intent of the group.
Drozd, you are obviously hearing one side of the story and making assumptions based on that information.
Drozd, you are obviously hearing one side of the story and making assumptions based on that information.
He's not apparently.... GD is...several pointed out his RL comitments and didnt want him to run the review thread while being the main subforum mod...so he passed it off at the urging of others..
subforum (PIF) mods...ecf mods
I know this...the founder of the group left (and is taking a break from ECF all together because of it)...I know she told me why she left.....and I know the other person at the heart of it is being quiet about it all...
I posted what I saw go down earlier....you told me I was way off and I responded that if you cared to correct any of it I'd welcome the correction and retract what was wrong...I heard nothing....in the meantime I heard from her that what I had written was spot on
So we have you left standing as subforum mod after all this drama fallout...and the founder gone....
I maintain that perhaps you're not the best person to head this group if you're the one standing at the center of the drama
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