Official update post for PIF

[Drozd]

i understand what the concept of PIF is, i am not an idiot....what i am trying to say, is the original thread of the group, which ever direction it takes, THATS the direction the members have taken and thats the direction it should continue to go in...shutting it down at post 3000??? thats just ignorant, need me to link many many threads that are longer than 3k posts??? as far as co-ops being what the PIF is about, a co-op is nothing more than a way to try and save a little money on shipping...if anything, its being cheap, not anything to do with the PIF spirit... do members benefit? yes, is it cheaper?yes is it PIF? not at all...

apparently we both want the PIF to continue, maybe for different reasons, and thats fine...I can live with that...sitting here arguing back in forth is definitly not in the spirit at all...we can both agree on that...

changing the original PIF thread, or closing down the PIF thread will be the downfall of this entire subforum.

well if what it has turned into has caused people to leave, it should really be examined...if it's not in line with the original founding of the subforum than we went wrong somewhere...and we should examine why...I just think PIF should be PIF...and if that thread has become something else then perhaps it should be renamed...it doesnt change what happens in the thread, just fixes perceptions of what it really is..
I suppose I like the co-ops here to tell the truth because well if I'm going to trust people....generally these are the people that I'm gonna trust ...not joe schmoe in the general forum...it's the people that I've spent time with, laughed with, .....ed about suppliers with and got to know enough to feel comfortable enough with to enter some type of transaction with without getting screwed over..

The Pif thread is not really just a swap thread. You are free to take what is offered, and offer what you can. There is no equality considered. If you can only offer 1 carto then so be it. That is why it is PIF,
In a swap thread you are going to have people wishing to get equal value for what they are trading and even posting what they want in return.
We have that on the main board already, I see no need for another one here.
On PIF many times people add to others offers and get nothing in return at all, and are happy to do so. This is not a simple swap thread.
So I disagree with the idea that it is just another trading thread.
As for a name , it is just a name. Not something important really.
I've said my peace on the co-ops.
Thats enough, I wont comment again .
I'm off to bed . Night all

I've added to that thread because there was no true PIF option...but really it's a swap thread with a shiny feel good wrapper on it...doesn't matter if theres equality in the swap or not...you're giving because you got something...

Haven't we had enough upheaval for one day? Our beloved mod left....we got a new mod in a very quick turnaround with no real group input. Isn't that enough for now?

Do we really want to destroy what has already helped so many and totally reconfigure the group??? On day one??? Uh, maybe the ideal would be some attempt at normality for a dang minute until some raw nerves have time to numb. Maybe then the GROUP can decide how to proceed.

Not trying to totally reconfigure...just take a cold hard look at where such a great concept went so wrong to lead to losing that mod and so many others...theres a thin line to walk....if it needs to be examined do you do it when you're feeling it or when times passed and you're numb to it and have accepted it?...As for the mod thing...Jules took it to the other 2...would you prefer that we were without a mod all together...and once that happened how do you think selecting a new mod would have gone...I have trust and faith in both jules and blaze after all she made him mod..

 

[Drozd]

Good idea...I think maybe the group should decide who the other mod's are. I work 12 hour shifts dealing with people who have nothing but problems, I come here for enjoyment, relaxation and to wind down from my grueling day...i honestly only agreed to be a co moderator to help Jules out.

I think both positions should be a group decision. I honestly don't mind not being a moderator...In fact, I'd prefer it. I seem to have more fun as just a regular member.

So...lets vote on who we think should be ?

What ya say people ?


Nominate who you would like to be co moderator

Sensay
Jojogardner
mainker
Vrubin
untamedrose

 

[Blaze]

I'm off to bed. Today has been a very tiring day for me (and alot of others as well). By all means keep posting suggestions/POV/ideas. I'm hoping to be able to see all this with new eyes when I get up

Goodnight all, and please keep it civil

 

[VRubin]

I'm also off to bed. I hope everyone sleeps well and wakes up with a fresh start on all of this. I refuse to let this group die.
Sweet dreams all you lovely people

 

[WhatAClumsyGirl]

These get my vote as well :

Sensay
Vrubin
untamedrose

 

[muttSRT]

I have trust and faith in both jules and blaze after all she made him mod..

she made him MOD because he was the first to step up and the thread was closed soon after. I believe the decision was made in haste, so she could step down quickly... the position of being MOD of the PIF subforum should not be given away to the first to post like it was some contest...the MOD should be able to spend a fair amount of time monitoring the happenings of the subforum... Now i am not 100% against blaze taking over, but i do think that with his work schedule, having a newborn at the house etc, that we might want to consider looking for someone who has the time to spend doing all the crap work of running this subforum.

I am not trying to argue or be combative, but I think that the whole subforum, and all of its members should have a say in who is running it. Let blaze have it for a couple days, let him put together a list of people who want the responsibility, let them state why they should run it and then put it to a poll....this is america afterall....so lets do the american thing and vote on it.

as far as the PIF thread, IF anyone really came in, looked at it and left, then more than likely they were just here hoping to get free stuff...there have been plenty of new people who have posted they needed help or they didnt have enough to trade and the older members stepped up...if you sit back and watch the PIF thread, when a new member comes in, and stalls the thread, someone will add to it...and if it is still stalled, someone else will add to it...these are people who are adding to an offer and getting NOTHING in return....now if that aint what the PIF thread is about, i dont know what is.

 

[Drozd]

she made him MOD because he was the first to step up and the thread was closed soon after. I believe the decision was made in haste, so she could step down quickly... the position of being MOD of the PIF subforum should not be given away to the first to post like it was some contest...the MOD should be able to spend a fair amount of time monitoring the happenings of the subforum... Now i am not 100% against blaze taking over, but i do think that with his work schedule, having a newborn at the house etc, that we might want to consider looking for someone who has the time to spend doing all the crap work of running this subforum.

I am not trying to argue or be combative, but I think that the whole subforum, and all of its members should have a say in who is running it. Let blaze have it for a couple days, let him put together a list of people who want the responsibility, let them state why they should run it and then put it to a poll....this is america afterall....so lets do the american thing and vote on it.

as far as the PIF thread, IF anyone really came in, looked at it and left, then more than likely they were just here hoping to get free stuff...there have been plenty of new people who have posted they needed help or they didnt have enough to trade and the older members stepped up...if you sit back and watch the PIF thread, when a new member comes in, and stalls the thread, someone will add to it...and if it is still stalled, someone else will add to it...these are people who are adding to an offer and getting NOTHING in return....now if that aint what the PIF thread is about, i dont know what is.

I guess we're just going to agree to disagree on the PIF thread..

as for mod....i don't think anyone should be allowed to nominate themself...in the true spirit of selflessness and giving...we can see who best embodies and practices PIF and it should be offered to them and see if they want the responsibility

 

[jojogardener]

As awesome of an idea this is, I'll simply not make this one alone. Let me talk to the other mods (if there are any, I've not heard from either yet). I'd also like to know what PIF thinks about this

never mind......my response is no longer valid as it pertained to making rules on who could join the PIF....BUT....that is not what PIF is about...........

 

[Dudeman]

Wow.. A lot went on in the time I was at work.. This is a lot to absorb.

First.. As far as a mod for this group, I have no one in particular in mind. I do however feel that it should be someone impartial to the group. Not necessarily someone who is good friends with everyone. Maybe someone who reads all the threads but isn't so much into all the trading, accepting and offering quite so much.

Second.. I think the PIF thread should remain. Call it what you want and see it how you may, it was clumsy's idea that people liked so leave it at that. If you don't like how it works, don't participate. ( I won't go into how I feel about what that thread has become because it won't be a very positive statement).. PIF is about helping others right? See the next paragraph:

Third.. I think the "what do I want" and "what do I need" threads should be stickied and used more often. I, for one, read those threads the most and have sent things to people who need them or want to simply try something out. I've even posted and got offers in the "want" thread. It also beats waiting around hoping you catch a PIF offer that you need or could really use. These threads are where you can be someones lifesaver or someone could be yours.

This is all participant/buyer/trader beware. Simple as that. As are the classifieds. We ALL have to remember people can be needy, greedy, generous, thiefs, etc and it's a risk you take if you want to participate in the group.

 

[mendnwngs]

Oof..

I just read this thread *after* sending Blaze a PM offering to help out.

I have no creds here, I am a total noob on ECF, and therefor untrustworthy..

All I know is I would just *really* hate to see this go away.

To speak on my behalf; The higher ups thought enough of me to make me a Chanop (moderator) for our live chat.

So, for total transparency, I feel obliged (now that I read this thread) to tell you I did contact Blaze about this, so I guess Im nominating myself.

It sounds horrible (nominating myself), but after reading the last dozen or so posts in here, its not fair to Blaze to offer my help without your input.

So, there it is.. Fire away

-Jason

 

[Bageone]

Well I have only participated in one PIF and it turned out well and it really brightened my day to see such a positive community exchange.. So sorry that good people have been hurt and will no longer be here... Very sad

 

[redgirl]

Well I have only participated in one PIF and it turned out well and it really brightened my day to see such a positive community exchange.. So sorry that good people have been hurt and will no longer be here... Very sad

Same here.

I don't know what happened, I guess I'm not "in the loop".

 

[tiburonfirst]

This is a valid point, and very well may be considered.

Edit: if we do continue doing co-ops (past the 510 co-op already in progress), maybe we should appoint ONE person to run them all? And at that rate, who would be willing to do so? And who would we like to/trust to do them?

blaze, i had gotten jules' ok to do the trueman coop in the near future and i really want to do it but that would be the only one i'm interested in
hope this still stands

 

[Chiqa]

Goodmorning everyone: I am off for a busy day helping a friend out . I hope sleep and a bit of time have helped all find a healthy perspective on things. Above all remember this is for fun nothing here should bring tears to anyone. When I get home this evening I will read up on the day just as I do any other day. Take care of yourselves and each other just a bit if you can

 

[MacArthurBug]

I'm Staying involved and the same amount of absent minded active as I have been. However, my family is moving to an Air Force base in Germany in September. After that I'll be able to send things out- but it'll take longer so I'll be doing less trades and such unless the person I'm trading with is cool with having to wait an extra week or whatever for international shipping, and doesn't mind the slight diff. $ wise in shipping to a mil. base. However I'd miss my PIF family if I quit all together so I'll check the boards etc.

 

[blueeyekelly]

Shipping is not that much different to APO's then anywhere else...

 

[vleath]

That was me....and sadly no...what the thread has become is not the original concept of PIF...it's become a swap...
as far as PIF on here...jenjen, clumsy, imreality,thelook, myself, jules...it started with threads like I have this and dont need it...tell me your story and why you do and it's yours...never actually having enough for it to actually go to everyone who was deserving of it...
how is I have 6ml of this and 6ml of that and 2 cartos I'll wait til something good comes along and take what those people are offering and put my stuff in.....how is that exactly PIF instead of a swap thread with a shiny feel good name to it?...how is it paying it forward?...how are you giving freely to someone truely in need without doing it to get something back?
as I said keep the thread but change it's name to reflect what it is... it's a good start...

Ok so I am not truely in need most of the time but it is great to be new and have so much money into ecigs and find a place like this where you can try things that you might have never thought of and offer something back in return. I always try and put up something of the same value I add to my offer if I think it needs it I try to group like flavors and I dont put up bunk stuff. Do some people do the same as me, no they dont but maybe it is all they have. I am not here to judge. But if we went to a truely need thread most of us are too proud to say they need something and well to me it would ruin the concept. I dont remember Jules saying anything about changing PIF so why do it now. Just keep an eye on the bad apples and get them out of here

 

[MacArthurBug]

Shipping is not that much different to APO's then anywhere else...

I know hun, it's more making people wait to receive goodies I'm worried about. I feel bad when I wait a few days to go to the PO with packages.

Like I said, I promise to try. I just don't want to let anyone down. So I'll first figure out how long it takes to send and receive stuff.

 

[Gut]

WOW I don't know what to say. I am completely at a loss for words. Jules is quitting PIF completely!!!??? Talk of changing PIF!!!??? What the hell happened!!!???

 

[warlike36]

i and whoever said getting rid of the PIF thread altogether...WTF? THATS the original thread, thats what the whole PIF group is about...if we get rid of anything the co-ops and other BS should go FIRST...getting rid of the PIF is like taking the orgasms out of sex...you could still do it, but whats the point.

This is what I agree a 1000% with !! PIF started it all and IMHO was running beautifully !! All the others,especially having more than one CO-OP at once was when the "issues" started. Granted I have not participated in about a week,but only because I dont have anything.

I will catch back up though,and I really hope PIF is still around.