Official update post for PIF

[Drozd]

---------------------not worth the aggrivation to comment

apparently you edited as I was hitting reply....
I want to say that I agree 98% with what you said...

I do see this as a place for co-ops though because it is a place to help each other out...an when ordering from a china supplier splitting the shipping costs and getting a discount helps everyone out that otherwise might not order because they only need 1 or 2 small things...
that being said they also shouldn't be taken advantage of either...

and while the first thread in this group here may have been the simple swap thread it really isn't PIF...it really should be renamed...

other than that yeah it shouldn't be overwealming to anyone or cause headaches to be here or need to be excessively moderated or leave people with hurt feelings...it should be about helping others in need when they need it and having people to support you when you stumble

 

[rosesense]

Wow, such drama. I am not real active in the group but try to send things to others and help when I can even without an official group to do it.

I like what Thy said, I don't have all the answers but it appears to be a fragmented group right now. Some observations from someone who isn't in the 'in crowd' is it appears to be a clique and talk of excluding people will make it more so; Jules worked too hard; too many threads/topics that it is hard to keep track of them; you can't please everyone and you can't control what someone does with the items they receive.

A true 'Pay it forward' is when you do something for someone without expecting anything in return so no expectations on what they will then do with it or for others, just out of the goodness of one's heart.

As for the co-ops, that was the most confusing and stressful thing I have witnessed in awhile. I don't know if I am the only person who hasn't gotten their package but I see people listing what they received or didn't so I am a bit in the dark on that one.

No offense to anyone here, I 'know' many of you and you are the greatest. I would be happy to try to help Blaze but the more mods you have, sometimes the more difficulties and confusion.

 

[muttSRT]

That was me....and sadly no...what the thread has become is not the original concept of PIF...it's become a swap...
as far as PIF on here...jenjen, clumsy, imreality,thelook, myself, jules...it started with threads like I have this and dont need it...tell me your story and why you do and it's yours...never actually having enough for it to actually go to everyone who was deserving of it...
how is I have 6ml of this and 6ml of that and 2 cartos I'll wait til something good comes along and take what those people are offering and put my stuff in.....how is that exactly PIF instead of a swap thread with a shiny feel good name to it?...how is it paying it forward?...how are you giving freely to someone truely in need without doing it to get something back?
as I said keep the thread but change it's name to reflect what it is... it's a good start...

yeah the PIF might have ended up as more of a swap thread, but thats what the core group of PIFer's has made it...Thats the direction it took, and thats the way it should stay... if you remember there was talk of a shut down on it right after the 1307 post and everyone wanted to keep it and let it grow...they wanted the number of posts to become staggering....if the core group of people have turned the main PIF thread into a swap thread...then a swap thread it should stay....THAT is the original thread, THAT is what this group is about...

If you wanna fix it....then close the PIF to anymore new people, weed out the few bad ones, and let the core group keep going....

 

[WhatAClumsyGirl]

Hi everyone...

I suppose everyone is shocked, upset...and wondering what the hell is going on....

I went to work yesterday on a 12 hour shift...came home to panic in the pm's i had going......same thing today.

I dont know what started the problems, but apparently there have been lots of changes today.

SO.....here we are....

When a group becomes a burden, a stress upon your life, a just regular pain in the ... to deal with...then I suppose the best thing to do is just stop for awhile, calm down, leave..or whatever you decide. Thats up to each individual.

This is suppost to be a fun group...lets get back to that.

I don't plan on leaving...but i dont plan on babysitting a group of adults either... You guys are going to have to work out any minor problems amongst yourselves.

I come here to have fun, laugh at people and trade a few things to folks who i think might need it and maybe grab something for myself I would like to try.


I'm sure Blaze will do a fine job as moderator.. I sure hope noone else decides to leave...but if you choose to do so...then I wish you the best. I dont believe in begging someone to stay if they want to go.

I hope I havent offended anyone by this post..but thats the way I feel about it.

Hugs to all
Clumsy

 

[Drozd]

yeah the PIF might have ended up as more of a swap thread, but thats what the core group of PIFer's has made it...Thats the direction it took, and thats the way it should stay... if you remember there was talk of a shut down on it right after the 1307 post and everyone wanted to keep it and let it grow...they wanted the number of posts to become staggering....if the core group of people have turned the main PIF thread into a swap thread...then a swap thread it should stay....THAT is the original thread, THAT is what this group is about...

If you wanna fix it....then close the PIF to anymore new people, weed out the few bad ones, and let the core group keep going....

This is the concept of PIF: http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/pay-forward/94838-who-needs-why.html

not this:http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/pay-forward/85629-pay-forward.html
and that shouldn't be called PIF...what I'm suggesting is closing it at the 3,000 post mark as is ecf tradition and if it's restarted doing so under a different thread title that more accurately reflects what it has become...
And a group that is called PIF should be based on the concept of PIF....otherwise might as well just close down the whole thing and start a group called swaps or something....

 

[Blaze]

As for right now, Clumsy is staying on to help mod (I'm pretty sure). GoodDog has apparently left (I've not heard from her, so I can neither confirm or deny this), so in order to replace her and have 3 mods, I'll going to have to find someone to fill that mod spot.

As for the co-ops, that was the most confusing and stressful thing I have witnessed in awhile. I don't know if I am the only person who hasn't gotten their package but I see people listing what they received or didn't so I am a bit in the dark on that one.

Yes, it was very confusing. Which is why I'm of the impression to eliminate co-ops altogether. But that's not my decision to make alone. I'm not going to tell everyone what to do. This is OUR group, so we need to decide amongst ourselves what should happen. Which is why I want input on what everyone thinks about the issue.

ironic...no?

Mick, if you have a problem with me or I've done something to offend you, I'm going to ask that you take it up with me via PM. It's already a confusing and stressful time without anyone rabble rousing.

 

[Blaze]

This is the concept of PIF: http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/pay-forward/94838-who-needs-why.html

not this:http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/pay-forward/85629-pay-forward.html
and that shouldn't be called PIF...what I'm suggesting is closing it at the 3,000 post mark as is ecf tradition and if it's restarted doing so under a different thread title that more accurately reflects what it has become...
And a group that is called PIF should be based on the concept of PIF....otherwise might as well just close down the whole thing and start a group called swaps or something....

Ok, so if I'm understanding correctly, you just want to rename the PIF thread to "swaps" or something to that effect? I don't see why that can't be done. Anyone else have any input/suggestions on this?

As far as the group itself, I think it should stay named/called/is PIF. I've witnessed more generosity and kindness in the short time this group has been here than I have my whole life. That's just my

 

[mick11]

I have politely made a request (not a demand) I have nothing further to discuss with you in PM.......I just ask that it be honored

 

[Blaze]

I have politely made a request (not a demand) I have nothing further to discuss with you in PM.......I just ask that it be honored

And it has been, so I'll consider this issue finished then, no?

 

[sensay]

My sweet friends! I have grown so close to many of you and I have cried many tears tonight~ I love you all . I want to say I am going to take break for a couple of days to wrap my head around all that is happening. So much good has happened in this group. And I have made so many cherished friends~ If this is turned into a swap thread I am not interested! It has no meaning to me. But I still love you all and hope pay it forward will find a way to make it through

 

[muttSRT]

This is the concept of PIF: http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/pay-forward/94838-who-needs-why.html

not this:http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/pay-forward/85629-pay-forward.html
and that shouldn't be called PIF...what I'm suggesting is closing it at the 3,000 post mark as is ecf tradition and if it's restarted doing so under a different thread title that more accurately reflects what it has become...
And a group that is called PIF should be based on the concept of PIF....otherwise might as well just close down the whole thing and start a group called swaps or something....

i understand what the concept of PIF is, i am not an idiot....what i am trying to say, is the original thread of the group, which ever direction it takes, THATS the direction the members have taken and thats the direction it should continue to go in...shutting it down at post 3000??? thats just ignorant, need me to link many many threads that are longer than 3k posts??? as far as co-ops being what the PIF is about, a co-op is nothing more than a way to try and save a little money on shipping...if anything, its being cheap, not anything to do with the PIF spirit... do members benefit? yes, is it cheaper?yes is it PIF? not at all...

apparently we both want the PIF to continue, maybe for different reasons, and thats fine...I can live with that...sitting here arguing back in forth is definitly not in the spirit at all...we can both agree on that...

changing the original PIF thread, or closing down the PIF thread will be the downfall of this entire subforum.

 

[mini_art]

The Pif thread is not really just a swap thread. You are free to take what is offered, and offer what you can. There is no equality considered. If you can only offer 1 carto then so be it. That is why it is PIF,
In a swap thread you are going to have people wishing to get equal value for what they are trading and even posting what they want in return.
We have that on the main board already, I see no need for another one here.
On PIF many times people add to others offers and get nothing in return at all, and are happy to do so. This is not a simple swap thread.
So I disagree with the idea that it is just another trading thread.
As for a name , it is just a name. Not something important really.
I've said my peace on the co-ops.
Thats enough, I wont comment again .
I'm off to bed . Night all

 

[mick11]

Haven't we had enough upheaval for one day? Our beloved mod left....we got a new mod in a very quick turnaround with no real group input. Isn't that enough for now?

Do we really want to destroy what has already helped so many and totally reconfigure the group??? On day one??? Uh, maybe the ideal would be some attempt at normality for a dang minute until some raw nerves have time to numb. Maybe then the GROUP can decide how to proceed.

 

[WhatAClumsyGirl]

Haven't we had enough upheaval for one day? Our beloved mod left....we got a new mod in a very quick turnaround with no real group input. Isn't that enough for now?

Do we really want to destroy what has already helped so many and totally reconfigure the group??? On day one??? Uh, maybe the ideal would be some attempt at normality for a dang minute until some raw nerves have time to numb. Maybe then the GROUP can decide how to proceed.

Valid point Mick....

Maybe we all need to sleep on the happenings..time to wrap our heads around everything...and maybe the group needs to be involved in the major changes.

 

[mick11]

Thank you Clumsy

 

[Drozd]

Ok, so if I'm understanding correctly, you just want to rename the PIF thread to "swaps" or something to that effect? I don't see why that can't be done. Anyone else have any input/suggestions on this?

As far as the group itself, I think it should stay named/called/is PIF. I've witnessed more generosity and kindness in the short time this group has been here than I have my whole life. That's just my

yes that's it exactly....if we're trying to get back to the spirit of PIF then lets bring it back round to the concept and practice of PIF and not half-a$@ it...so renaming the PIF thread would help clear that confusion (and I've seen people leave because they came expecting PIF and the swap thread wasn't)
I see no reason why we can have the need, want threads...the slow swap thread....the fast moving "running" swap....like I said adding maybe a group donation thread, and a hardship/ dire need thread (where others post for others) and those needs be taken care of from the group donated thread (and that thread would serve as a running inventory) (granted we'd need someone we trust to hold donations on behalf of the group)....
I like the co-ops as long as we don't go crazy with them (keep them smallish)...and some ironclad rules are set, and a transperancy of things is fully available, and updates are given and respected..

 

[muttSRT]

The Pif thread is not really just a swap thread. You are free to take what is offered, and offer what you can. There is no equality considered. If you can only offer 1 carto then so be it. That is why it is PIF,
In a swap thread you are going to have people wishing to get equal value for what they are trading and even posting what they want in return.
We have that on the main board already, I see no need for another one here.
On PIF many times people add to others offers and get nothing in return at all, and are happy to do so. This is not a simple swap thread.
So I disagree with the idea that it is just another trading thread.
As for a name , it is just a name. Not something important really.
I've said my peace on the co-ops.
Thats enough, I wont comment again .
I'm off to bed . Night all

perfectly said...its not a "swap" thread...its our PIF thread...period

 

[Blaze]

perfectly said...its not a "swap" thread...its our PIF thread...period

Ok, so how do we get it back to PIF?

I need ideas people

It was suggested to me to ask, and I think it's a good suggestion, so we'll start here:

Who would YOU like to see as another co-mod?

 

[VRubin]

You'd be a great mod, VRubin!

Why thank you

 

[WhatAClumsyGirl]

Ok, so how do we get it back to PIF?

I need ideas people

It was suggested to me to ask, and I think it's a good suggestion, so we'll start here:

Who would YOU like to see as another co-mod?

Good idea...I think maybe the group should decide who the other mod's are. I work 12 hour shifts dealing with people who have nothing but problems, I come here for enjoyment, relaxation and to wind down from my grueling day...i honestly only agreed to be a co moderator to help Jules out.

I think both positions should be a group decision. I honestly don't mind not being a moderator...In fact, I'd prefer it. I seem to have more fun as just a regular member.

So...lets vote on who we think should be ?

What ya say people ?


Nominate who you would like to be co moderator