Oily flavorings from TFA... HELP!

[tsunami987]

Hello! Sorry to post another question thread, but in some need of help. Grabbed a bunch of flavors from wizard labs a while ago, two of which have seemed to give me problems. Both graham cracker crust (graham cracker of TPA site?) and Cinnamon seem to be very oily. If not oily, I'm having other issues with them. After going over a certain percentage on both, the liquid seems to get oil accumulation. With cinnamon, I mixed it with menthol. Worked fine up to 3%, where it seemed to cloud the liquid and overly sweeten it, and gave a dullness to normally crystal clear shining droplets (best way I can describe em). After getting that nasty candle wax taste burnt into my atty from (i would imagine) oily flavorings, I dumped it into a shotglass and added PGA till it turned clear. There were also small drops of flavor floating on top of the liquid. Didn't try to vape it, mainly because the glass wasn't that clean. Also didn't measure, as this was jsut to see if it would work.

Graham cracker crust was added to lemon lime 8% and irish cream 2%, both very nice clear flavorings. The graham cracker crust is very dark so I expected some issues with clouding inherently, but I added tpa in with a 1ml syringe drop by drop. Added around .6ml to a 10ml mixture, and while it took some of that weird dullness away from the droplets, theres still some on em. Once again, pretty sure that would be a sign of an oily flavor. Not sure what else could make normally nice and clear liquid kinda weird and uniformly dull like that.

Maraschino cherry has another problem alltogether, and that is it separates. Once again, pretty sure it's oily flavors separating from well dissolved flavors.

I guess my question would be two parted. First off, has anyone had experience with these flavors similar to mine or might this be an issue from Wiz Labs samples? Secondly, in this situation, is adding pga the right solution? The GCC and cinn may not be that oily, and it could be some other type of contamination. If adding PGA is the correct solution, how much? And should I be diluting flavors such as these? Mixed limitless samples and havent encountered this before with any other tpa, fa, vz conc, or really any others.

 

[Str8V8ping]

Those two flavors have been very perfumey tasting to me too. Tpa has some good flavors but those two werent one of the good flavors to me anyway. For graham cracker capellas has one of the best .FW graham cracker is not bad either. FOr cinnamon i recomend a few .Capella cinnamon danish, DIYFS cinnamon roll , Lorann cinnamon roll are all good bakery/sweet type cinnamons. TPA cinnamon danish is not bad either.It tastes like cinnamon graham cracker. TPAs regular cinnamon was pretty horrible imo though.

Also PGA usually leaves a bad taste in a juice as well imo . Try mixing without it if possible. PGA is not needed and not many people use it .When they do use it they only really use a few drop to try to enhance throat hit. All you need is PG(propylene glycol or VG(vegatable glycerin). It sounds like you may have PGA and PG mixed up.

WHen mixing almost all tpa flavors you dont really need to go over 15-20%

 

[tsunami987]

In all honesty, I love both of them. The graham cracker crust smells just like, well, what it says. It makes a great citrus pie flavor. Cinnamon is a good mixer under two percent but over, like I said, it gets oily. And no, I don't have pg and pga mixed up. I use an 70/30 vg/pg mix, and in this situation I am trying to clear the juices of what I think is an oily clouding.

For example... The cinnamon menthol mix got cloudy with some oil precipitation on top after 3% cinnamon and a days steep. While dripping the mix, I noticed a dull, waxy look to the mixture. I added everclear and swirled until it literally turned, well, clear.

I noticed this in my citrus pie mixture as well, sans the oil precipitation. It was very cloudy with 5% graham crust. It is a great flavor, so tonight i made more.
5% gcc
8% lemon lime
2% Irish cream

10ml total. Once mixed I added everclear in at .05ml per graduation, mixing thoroughly each time. It cleared up the mix a bit, to about .8ml. Didn't add anymore since 8% pga is a bit much. It tastes delicious, not much different than last time, even with all that everclear.

Common denominator between these two juices is cloudiness (reminescent of trying to dilute TA in 40% vodka), a waxy look to the drops once mixed, and a taste once an atty runs dry similar to the smoke from a recently blown out candle. They taste fine until burnt, and I'm just trying to find out how to deal with these two oily flavors.

Sorry for the second long post, just wanted to give a better example of what I'm talking about.

 

[tsunami987]

Not to bump my own thread, but had similar incident with another batch. Smooth menthol recipe from this forum. Feels like my tongue is freezing, but that's beside the point. Spearmint at 5% clouded the mixture, and gave it the same waxy look whilst dripping. I'm beginning to think that either A. Theres some contaminant in my syringes, or B. Something may have happened at wiz labs causing something weird to happen to the flavors once mixed. I really don't know, and would love some input.

 

[Smokin'Sandy]

I received a bottle of their nic base Saturday and it's pretty bad. The other two bottles I have ordered from them before have been fine but this one has an oily/diesel fuel type of smell and a sour taste to it. I haven't noticed it being oily itself, but the smell is horrible. Did you get your nic base from there as well? If not, then I really don't know. I have a 15ml bottle of gcc from TPA at home and don't notice any oily residue with it.



EditJohn from WL is going to replace my nic base.

 

[tsunami987]

Yeah, I did notice a funky smell from their base, but I've made some decent flavors with it. Maybe I'll shoot him an email.

 

[ToweKnee]

Have you contacted John at Wizard Labs about this? I know John would take care of this and answer any question you have as well. Like STr8 said some of TFA flavorings will have that perfumey chemical taste. Its just what it is and through trial and error you will find out what flavorings work for you and ones that dont. You might also want to back off on the flavor levels as well. Sometime too much defeats the purpose and doesnt taste right.