OK, can I do anything to strengthen premade juices?

[Junebug79]

No responses in other thread yet.

I have Mt. Baker 70 VG 30 Distilled Water juices that don't have enough flavor for me.

I bought vaping Zone's Super Concentrated flavors.

When I tried adding the VZ to the MB, it separated like oil and water. That's what it looks like.

I followed the advice. Put it in very warm water. Shook like crazy. Did that several times. Waited. Yay! It worked. Then I let it sit to steep.

I went to test it today - it was all separated again.

I don't want to have to go through this with all of my juices. Will it always just separate again?

Is it cheaper to just start over? (Might have to wait a few weeks... bum analogs from someone. vaping with no flavor does not interest me at all.) Or is there a way to fix these juices that doesn't involve regularly putting them in a bath and shaking, etc?

Thanks in advance.

 

[mightymen]

All juice should be shaken before being used. Could also warm it by rolling it in your hand palms for 30 seconds then shake it.

Mt. Baker 70 VG 30 Distilled Water juices

Taken from Vaping Zone's web site.
This is an alcohol based flavoring and is extremely concentrated. Recommended percentage for DIY is 2.5%.

If your useing an eye dropper for mixing it could be off (recommend 20 drops = 1 ml not so I get 40 drops = 1ml)

 

[t8kiteasy]

No responses in other thread yet.

I have Mt. Baker 70 VG 30 Distilled Water juices that don't have enough flavor for me.

I bought Vaping Zone's Super Concentrated flavors.

When I tried adding the VZ to the MB, it separated like oil and water. That's what it looks like.

I followed the advice. Put it in very warm water. Shook like crazy. Did that several times. Waited. Yay! It worked. Then I let it sit to steep.

I went to test it today - it was all separated again.

I don't want to have to go through this with all of my juices. Will it always just separate again?

Is it cheaper to just start over? (Might have to wait a few weeks... bum analogs from someone. Vaping with no flavor does not interest me at all.) Or is there a way to fix these juices that doesn't involve regularly putting them in a bath and shaking, etc?

Thanks in advance.

VZ super concentrated are alcohol based flavors,i do not believe MBV's(flavors or juices) are alcohol based??That might be why they are seperating???


EDIT: disreguard this i did not see/read the reply from OP.

 

[Junebug79]

I don't mind shaking a bit. Of course, I shake all liquids. Warm hands or even warm water doesn't work. Repeated hot water baths and vigorous shaking every few days is a bit much for me.

Since you bolded the alcohol and the distilled water - does that mean those don't mix easily? I'll admit I'm an uber newbie and don't grasp a lot of this, and what I do, I struggle to remember.

I didn't add much of the VZ. The MB fluid is 15 ml. If I can find my camera, I think a picture would be helpful. But I need perfect lighting and macro focus, so my phone wouldn't work. I just poured it into a bigger bottle to get a better look, but the bigger bottle is a bit more opaque. Still, you can tell that there's the bottom more than 2/3rds (4/5, 7/8, i dunno) of one fluid. The top layer something else. Then, suspended in the bottom liquid, circles of something else (I'm guessing the VZ, since there's not much.) When it looked blended it had a milkier appearance, now it's all clear.

 

[BillLouisiana]

I would NEVER add 30% distilled water to a juice. I would rather add vodka or PGA. Water always maakes a juicqe not vape as well, for me.

Edit: Thanks for pointing out my error, Junebug79

 

[Junebug79]

It was an option (in the multiple choice) on Mt Baker's site for juices, I thought it would be best. I'm new. I know that now.

And it's 30% not ml, but I think that's probably what you meant.

 

[mayamason]

Bumping this for you, because I'd like to know the answer as well. (I have several VZ flavorings on the way to DIY, but also plan on using them in a few premade juices that need tweaking.)

I will say that I have added flavoring (TFA and Lorann) to premade juices before, both PG/VG and VG/DW bases, and never had the problem that you mentioned. It does make me wonder if there is oil of some sort in the apricot flavoring that you used.

You bought other VZ flavors, right? Which ones? Do you have a spare bottle? If so, you could try putting one drop of a different flavoring in ~2ml of premixed liquid and see if it mixes better.

 

[Junebug79]

The only other "test" I've done so far - I put some of my "fudge brownie" juice in the tank, added a few drops of VZ chocolate to the tank, then more of the juice - just mixed in the tank. That seemed to work well, but the tank leaked. (Not just condensation - it was brown.) I'm not sure if that caused the tank to leak or if it just happened to be a leaky tank.

I have one unused bottle I'll test with a different flavor today - mix a little in the bottle, see what happens. I'll let you know!

 

[Junebug79]

I just now mixed a bit of Mt Baker 70 VG/30 DW Green Apple with some of VZ's Super Concentrated Green Apple - wasn't quite the same (3 separate fluids) - but it certainly didn't mix well. Not exactly like oil and water but not blending. I expect it to separate back out

 

[Hoosier]

Doesn't make any sense how an alcohol flavoring is separating out. I've been following this, but it makes no sense to me.

 

[Junebug79]

Makes no sense to me either. I sent Mt Baker a message asking them if they know why.

 

[mayamason]

It doesn't make sense to me either. From what you'r describing (the bottom 2/3 being separated, then the drops on top of that) it sound like the separation problem is in the juice itself and may or may not be related to the additional flavoring you're putting in.

I just got my VZ flavors in today. I mixed up (10) 3ml bottles, 50PG/50VG. Then put 4 drops of flavor in each bottle. They did have that oil/water appearance to them at first, even after an initial shake. I triple-ziploc-bagged them and placed them in a bowl of hot (~30 seconds after it stopped boiling) water. I let them hang out there until the water felt like room temperature (45-60 minutes? I lost track), then took them out of all but the final ziploc bag and just walked around the house shaking the devil out of the bag. That was 3 hours ago and nothing has separated from itself (visibly) since then.

To try & replicate your situation, I just put 3ml of straight VG and ~1ml of water in another bottle (just tap water, I don't have distilled water here). Same thing - looks like oil/water at first. No heating, just shook the crap out of it for ~30 seconds. Looked nice & blended. Added 2 drops of VZ flavoring and shook another 10 seconds. No separation as of yet, but that was only 15 minutes ago. I'll report back if it changes.

How many drops are you putting in? (Although it doesn't seem like it should matter as far as visible blending goes.) I think I read that you soaked it in warm water also, and as of right now I can't understand why that wouldn't have worked.

 

[daveymist]

Just to put my in the way I understand it is from another point of view. Gasoline(oil) and Ethanol(alc) is blended together for your car to burn. Now from my experience working in a gas station as a mgr if enough water leaked into your tanks holding the fuel it separates all three. So if one of your flavorings isn't water solvable and was mixed with PGA and the other was mixed with H2O it will separate. I could be just totally wrong and just sound like a idiot but that is the way I understand it.

 

[Junebug79]

Interesting davey... I wonder...

maya - let it sit for a few days, see if it separates back out. (Mine blended after hot water bath and crazy shaking, too, but then separated out again - and doing that much shake and bake to for a day or two of a vapeable flavor seems silly.) I'm very curious to see if yours will do the same thing! I don't remember how many drops I put in. I know I need to keep track of that when I'm doing DIY in order to replicate... in better light tomorrow maybe the Apricot will have separated out enough so that I can count the drops

 

[Junebug79]

"Mt Baker Vapor - Electronic Cigarettes Said:

It most likely has to do with the water in the mix. I do not know where you got your flavors from but are they water soluble?

Please let me know if you have any other questions, comments, or concerns."

 

[mayamason]

"Mt Baker Vapor - Electronic Cigarettes Said:

It most likely has to do with the water in the mix. I do not know where you got your flavors from but are they water soluble?

Please let me know if you have any other questions, comments, or concerns."

^Hmm. It sounds like they might be saying the DI water doesn't stay completely mixed with the VG over a period of time. I wouldn't worry about that part, it's typically a good idea to shake a bottle of juice before filling up anything. So even if it temporarily mixes that should still work.

BUT that still doesn't explain the VZ separating back out, especially since it appeared mixed after a warm bath and a shake. I'm stumped.

I have some premixed VG juice (which I'm going to assume also has DI water in it) that I'd planned on adding a couple of VZ drops to, to strengthen the flavor. Only problem is the juice itself is medium-darkish, so I don't know how well I'll be able to see if any separation is going on.

 

[Junebug79]

Searching for answers - I put a few drops of chocolate VZ into a clear plastic cup of well tap water - after stirring lightly, it disappeared completely. So I'm going to say that the VZ is water soluble and that's not the issue here, but I'm not certain...

 

[Junebug79]

So I replied to Mt Baker, said the VZ completely mixed with water, the reply was

"I have no clue then. Have never used their flavorings before.

-James Thompson"



How's your experiment looking, maya?

 

[purelyscientific]

Huh, weird.

I've never had that happen.

Lets think about this from a logical prospective-

If the juice is separating into 2 clearly distinct layers then that means it is composed of 2 things that have substantially different densities.
This is very noticeable when 2 things -such as water and oil, which have a good bit of difference between their densities- are mixed together.

That being said, I could not tell you what the substances are. I can only assume that they have substantially different enough densities to separate into 2 distinct layers.

I know that some flavorings are made of oil. Perhaps Mt. Baker uses them.

I know that VG, PG, and alcohol mix together nicely and do not form distinct layers, so whatever is forming the layer is not any of them.

I do not vape oil based flavorings. Excess oil in the lungs can cause pneumonia.

Rule of thumb- when in doubt about what the substance you want to ingest is, throw it out.

Even if the flavorings you are putting in are *not* water soluble then they should dissolve into the PG/VG in the mix.

Keep in mind that vendors don't *have* to tell you the truth.
I'm not out right accusing Mt.Baker a liar, I'm just saying take the word of someone you do not know with a grain of salt.

 

[mayamason]

How's your experiment looking, maya?

None of my original mixes separated. (VZ drops @ 3-6% with 50/50, and also with VG/water)

I still haven't had a chance to try the VZ straight into juice, although that is on today's to-do list. I have some I'm going to add VZ drops to that I know is 100% VG/water (Velvet Cloud Vapor), and some which I am not positive but pretty sure it is high VG, if not 100% (AiV). I'll post back after I do.

I can't remember if you mentioned this or not, but were the MBV juices separated initially before you started adding extra flavor? If so, maybe ask in the General Liquid forum if anyone else has had that issue with VG/water liquids.