Ok, Here is My 2012 Theory!

[guitardedmark]

I was not intending to chastize you but rather to challenge the MEANS in which you were try to help this man. If he wants to become a christian, he will become one. There are enough resources available for him to educate himself on christianity. Damning somone and using fear to coherse them to Christ is not effective. I also did not intend on giving you a "guilt trip". If you are really concerned with trying to show somebody the power of christ you might want to consider the way you are approaching non-christians. For the record, I am a christian and I find it curious that you respond to my challenge of your method with an assumption that I oppose christianity. I am also well aware of what the bible says. All I'm saying is your approach to "saving" your fellow man has proven non-effective and actually very deconstructive. If you truly trying to help your fellow, maybe you should concern yourself less with threats and scare tactics and more with this:

1 Corinthians 13:1-13 - Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It is not rude it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres. Love never fails.

 

[LisaLisa]

amein, dear sister in christ! Preach it! I'm giving you a standing ovation.....you can't see me because i'm hiding behind my hand.... Actually it didn't really work because my face is much bigger than my hand!

lol!!!!!

 

[LisaLisa]

I was not intending to chastize you but rather to challenge the MEANS in which you were try to help this man. If he wants to become a christian, he will become one. There are enough resources available for him to educate himself on christianity. Damning somone and using fear to coherse them to Christ is not effective. I also did not intend on giving you a "guilt trip". If you are really concerned with trying to show somebody the power of christ you might want to consider the way you are approaching non-christians. For the record, I am a christian and I find it curious that you respond to my challenge of your method with an assumption that I oppose christianity. I am also well aware of what the bible says. All I'm saying is your approach to "saving" your fellow man has proven non-effective and actually very deconstructive. If you truly trying to help your fellow, maybe you should concern yourself less with threats and scare tactics and more with this:

1 Corinthians 13:1-13 - Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It is not rude it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres. Love never fails.

That's one of my favorite scriptures, thanks for posting it. But it's a little difficult to actually consider anything else that you say while looking at your avatar of a baby flipping the bird

 

[guitardedmark]

To be honest it has been difficult for me to maintain a positive relationship with fellow christians because of this type of negativity and "damning". My faith in god is concrete. My faith in fellow Christians has wained and frankly at times it disgusts me. I treat people that have other belief systems with respect and love. I don't damn them. I live a very positive and happy life and I do my best to spread love and joy to others. What your spreading is fear, threats and "justice" because it makes you feel like your doing what's right. Your not trying to help that man, otherwise your approach would be helpful. Do you honestly think he would say "yes I appreciate the help provided and the thought of Christianity is more attractive"?

This negativity, more than anything else is what has distanced me from the congregation. If you want to spread the word of God, please consider my perspective.

 

[guitardedmark]

That's one of my favorite scriptures, thanks for posting it. But it's a little difficult to actually consider anything else that you say while looking at your avatar of a baby flipping the bird

LOL its humorous and cute I surely hope a profile pic doesn't hinder the ability to consider my words.

 

[guitardedmark]

For the record Lisalisa I absolutely LOVE your avatar

 

[Saintscruiser]

That's one of my favorite scriptures, thanks for posting it. But it's a little difficult to actually consider anything else that you say while looking at your avatar of a baby flipping the bird

I noticed that but was already on this guys bad list, so WTG, LisaLisa! Exploiting an innocent baby. "Suffer the little children unto me." How sad.

 

[guitardedmark]

I noticed that but was already on this guys bad list, so WTG, LisaLisa! Exploiting an innocent baby. "Suffer the little children unto me." How sad.

You have got to be kidding me...

 

[guitardedmark]

Obviously there is no productive communication here. To go out on a good note, I also LOVE your avatar Saints I sent it to my girlfriend and I think she shed a tear its so cute! Have a great weekend and happy vaping =D

 

[thorn]

Much knowledge disappeared with the ancient Egyptians who knew as much or more than we do now. Sadly, it was not documented as some of it is with the Mayans. Perhaps there were other "children" and visits from God that were never documented as well. If you can believe it once, who is to say that it did not happen twice or more? Who is to say what details were known that the Catholics have hidden from publication? I think it is a safe bet that if 2012 does come and go, nobody will ever believe another end of the world date ever again until it actually happens. Not even if they revert back to the ancient calendar.

 

[LisaLisa]

To be honest it has been difficult for me to maintain a positive relationship with fellow christians because of this type of negativity and "damning". My faith in god is concrete. My faith in fellow Christians has wained and frankly at times it disgusts me. I treat people that have other belief systems with respect and love. I don't damn them. I live a very positive and happy life and I do my best to spread love and joy to others. What your spreading is fear, threats and "justice" because it makes you feel like your doing what's right. Your not trying to help that man, otherwise your approach would be helpful. Do you honestly think he would say "yes I appreciate the help provided and the thought of Christianity is more attractive"?

This negativity, more than anything else is what has distanced me from the congregation. If you want to spread the word of God, please consider my perspective.

Well, I can understand that sometimes, but just like you look at others, you need to look at yourself too. None of us are perfect humans, Jesus was the only one and He was the perfect example of how we should treat others. We all fall short of that mark.

But, I would ask you Mark.........where is your positive spirit? Where is your encouraging spirit? Have you posted anything here that would be considered uplifting and upbuilding, or just condemning and negative twords others here? Aren't you doing the same thing you're accusing us of doing?

Maybe you have some wonderful things to share with us. Maybe we can learn something from you, and you can learn something from us. But, that takes positive participation, not a bulldozer.........kinda like you pointed out.........just that applies to you as well. Know what I'm sayin?

 

[Saintscruiser]

To be honest it has been difficult for me to maintain a positive relationship with fellow christians because of this type of negativity and "damning". My faith in god is concrete. My faith in fellow Christians has wained and frankly at times it disgusts me. I treat people that have other belief systems with respect and love. I don't damn them. I live a very positive and happy life and I do my best to spread love and joy to others. What your spreading is fear, threats and "justice" because it makes you feel like your doing what's right. Your not trying to help that man, otherwise your approach would be helpful. Do you honestly think he would say "yes I appreciate the help provided and the thought of Christianity is more attractive"?

This negativity, more than anything else is what has distanced me from the congregation. If you want to spread the word of God, please consider my perspective.

In this day and age, Christians are felt to be worse than lepers. Smokers are higher up the food chain than we are. We are made fun of, we are told how wrong our thinking is, can't even pray silently to one's self at school.....the chastisement of nativity scenes at Christmas in the work place, the many 'churches' that teach everything but salvation through Jesus, the hatred from other religions, thinking that we are the enemy, the white satan, 'happy holidays' instead of Merry Christmas......I could go on.

I was respectful to that man. Did I call him bad names? Of course not. I could have, but that is not Jesus' way. Even Jesus called out the non-believers. Lets not forget what He did to the money changers, and rightfully so. And please notice He never touched one person with His whip. I urged Bigham to get saved, because I know what awaits him if he doesn't. Do I want that for him? NO! I want it for no one! And yes, I prayed for him. And, now I'm explaining myself to someone who didn't even take the time to do it himself. Posts on a forum lack the tone in one's voice or head. Do you think I really don't want this man to be saved, because I was straight forward and didn't play footsies with him? Then you don't know Christians at all.

 

[LisaLisa]

In this day and age, Christians are felt to be worse than lepers. Smokers are higher up the food chain than we are. We are made fun of, we are told how wrong our thinking is, can't even pray silently to one's self at school.....the chastisement of nativity scenes at Christmas in the work place, the many 'churches' that teach everything but salvation through Jesus, the hatred from other religions, thinking that we are the enemy, the white satan, 'happy holidays' instead of Merry Christmas......I could go on.

This is the truth and really rang a bell in my head when I just read it. We are hated for sure, and that's because Satan hates us and we know that this world is controlled by satan, so we have to expect that. Jesus Himself told us to expect that too. The world loves it own, and we do not belong to this world, we belong to God

 

[guitardedmark]

Well, I can understand that sometimes, but just like you look at others, you need to look at yourself too. None of us are perfect humans, Jesus was the only one and He was the perfect example of how we should treat others. We all fall short of that mark.

But, I would ask you Mark.........where is your positive spirit? Where is your encouraging spirit? Have you posted anything here that would be considered uplifting and upbuilding, or just condemning and negative twords others here? Aren't you doing the same thing you're accusing us of doing?

Maybe you have some wonderful things to share with us. Maybe we can learn something from you, and you can learn something from us. But, that takes positive participation, not a bulldozer.........kinda like you pointed out.........just that applies to you as well. Know what I'm sayin?

Well said Lisa! I agree with you completely. This obviously hit a nerve for me and I obviously didn't maintain my positive spirit very well For the record though, I wasn't accusing you. My comments were directed towards Saintscruiser. I clearly didn't know how to communicate my point without negativity. I really am not trying to offend anyone and was really trying to promote understanding. My own personal experience diluted my words with negativity but I hope the positive things I said weren't overlooked.

 

[guitardedmark]

In this day and age, Christians are felt to be worse than lepers. Smokers are higher up the food chain than we are. We are made fun of, we are told how wrong our thinking is, can't even pray silently to one's self at school.....the chastisement of nativity scenes at Christmas in the work place, the many 'churches' that teach everything but salvation through Jesus, the hatred from other religions, thinking that we are the enemy, the white satan, 'happy holidays' instead of Merry Christmas......I could go on.

I was respectful to that man. Did I call him bad names? Of course not. I could have, but that is not Jesus' way. Even Jesus called out the non-believers. Lets not forget what He did to the money changers, and rightfully so. And please notice He never touched one person with His whip. I urged Bigham to get saved, because I know what awaits him if he doesn't. Do I want that for him? NO! I want it for no one! And yes, I prayed for him. And, now I'm explaining myself to someone who didn't even take the time to do it himself. Posts on a forum lack the tone in one's voice or head. Do you think I really don't want this man to be saved, because I was straight forward and didn't play footsies with him? Then you don't know Christians at all.

Actually you did call him names. You called him a wolf in sheeps clothing. I would consider that a very disrespectful statement. I'm really not here to argue with you. You clearly are very angry and resentful and I personally have no time for that. Peace.

 

[LisaLisa]

You know, it's funny because I wonder sometimes what God must think when He looks down at His children bickering with eachother. It's a good thing He is so patient, or we would all be in big trouble!

 

[Xanax]

 

[Saintscruiser]

You know, it's funny because I wonder sometimes what God must think when He looks down at His children bickering with eachother. It's a good thing He is so patient, or we would all be in big trouble!

That was Scripture, Mark. Jesus taught us to engage satan and his crew with Scripture. I wasn't speaking to the man. You may/may not have studied much on Spiritual Warfare. I have, and I let this guy know that the influence not only embarrassed him, but exposed him as well. How did Jesus speak to satan in the desert? In Scriptures. The reason for that is satan knows he can't battle the truth. satan left Him alone, too. I'm done. Fini

 

[Bigham1]

The age of aquarius???!!!!! Sir, you're talking new age garbage. Zodiac????? Remember Dangers of the Rainbow, Lisa Lisa? I believe in astronomy, not astrology. Sir, instead of looking to the stars for your answers, look to the One who made those stars! You are a wolf in sheep's clothing and have been discovered. I will pray for you, and I mean that in true earnest. Come to Jesus before it's too late. Please, sir......for your own sake.

First off sweet heart you I feel sorry for you that you do not have any thoughts inside your head. Other than attacking people behind a vail of Jesus to make yourself appear better than everyone esle. You speak of Jesus as if you know him but you know nothing of him or his ways. You have attacked me in another thread for your missunderstandings. Now you are attacking me once again here. I am sure you attack others as well.

Some fine example of a TRUE Christian you are! Oh I understand now! You are the returning Jesus!!! You must be, you judge everyone like you are. What ever happened to love thy neighbor? Or let he is without sin cast the first stone. I will pray that you will get back on the correct path. I bet if you had a few stones you would be throwing them at me.

I didn't make up astrology!!! I was giving an opinion on 2012. As the thread title suggests. Just because someone might have a different opinion from you does not mean that they are wrong. You believe in Astronomy and that is what astrology is based on the formation and actions of the stars.

Why don't you do this. Just ignore my posts! I will ignore you while I am here on earth. Because when I am in heaven you will not be there.

 

[LisaLisa]

Ok, hold up everybody! What would Jesus do??????? Let's remain calm and try and learn something positive from this. How would Jesus handle a conflict between a brother and a sister? We all have conflict with somebody from time to time in our lives, let's learn how to handle it better, in the spirit of God. We can learn together as we all deal with this issue sometimes!

Myself included too, there have been times on other forums where I wanted to reach through the screen and slap someone upside the head! And don't even get me started about debating with atheists and others, that's just too intense and it takes everything I have to remain patient and loving. But when it comes to our own brothers and sisters, when we have conflict, how can we resolve it while still being loving to eachother?

Thoughts anyone???