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NotYingYang

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Hey E-cig Buddies!

So the last post I made for this forum must have been at least a year or two ago. I am not caught up on the new trends - I'm sure many new e-cigs have come out in the last couple of years.

I've been vaping on a DSE901 for almost a couple of years now. I had originally bought it (and continued buying it) because of its inexpensive price. However, I've become quite dissatisfied with its quality. The batteries and atomizers seem unreliable and break down often. Also, I want a lot more vapor and throat hit. Also, I would like something more reliable and with a LONGER-LASTING battery!

(Also, I like dripping with e-juice... but I heard a rumor that there is another way to drip or something that is easier? :?: Is there an easier way of dripping now without taking the cartridge out and making a mess?)

Any recommendations? Please tell me what model, from where you purchased the e-cig, and why you prefer the particular model over other e-cigs. Hope to hear from you all soon! And thanks for the help! :)
 
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Check out the Kaji Ali or Journeyman ant rnrmanufacturing. Self juicers. They are way cool. There is also the reo. I'm pretty sure they perform about the same, so getting either one is going to be a win imo. I'd post a link for the reo, but I forget where it comes from. Someone will chime in and let you know. As far as batteries go, they can hold an 18650, for 3.7, or two rcr123(protected only please) for 6v. May not be what you are looking for, but worth a look. Good luck!
 

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Hi and welcome back. The hot machine these days is the eGo/Riva. It's a 510 based 650mah batt or larger. I've got the Mega eGo's at 900mah and they'll give me about 12 hours of vaping on a single charge. You can find them at most places but the best price right now is at Electronic Cigarette - Starter Kits - Riva 510, $37.49. There's a discount code available that brings it down to around $30. Someone who knows it will post I'm sure.
For dripping just get a drip tip. It replaces the cart and has a big hole in the tip so you don't have to remove it to drip. Most places have those also. There's plastic, aluminum, and stainless steel available. There's also short ones, and long ones. Just give one of the cheap ones a try to see if you like it. They're only $1.99 at Mods - Drip Tips.
Although the eGo and Riva are popular, I quit using mine when I got a mod. It's not that they're bad because they aren't, I just found something I like better. But mods are a whole different ball game. You'll probably get the most recommendations for the eGo/Riva, and for good reason. They're cheap, reliable, give a good vaping experience, and are easy to maintain.
 

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Hey NotYingYang! Nice to meet ya. Since you have the 901 attys already check out this "lil puppy. Electronic Cigarette - Starter Kits - Riva 901
A good 6 to 8 hour charge life ( for me) and will take kr808 D-1 cartomizers too. I have a couple of these kits. It's the same as the eGo but has a 901 fitting instead of a 510.
 

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Don't be scared when you see pictures of the Ego/Riva/Tornado/Inferno because they are only the size of a small cigar.
They just look a lot bigger in the pictures.

As for dripping, there are drip tips now as others have mentioned, and there are also juice fed mods as previously noted.
And then there is an Auto-feed system like the GGTS with AVS you might want to check out.
And there is also a thing called the Vapemate that is becoming more popular.

As for recommendations, where to start?
There are literally hundreds of models and mods now.

Another thing that is becoming hugely popular is variable voltage mods.
Pretty soon all mods will have variable voltage most likely.

If the idea of a mod interests you, check this out...
Best e-Cig Mod List | e-Cig Mods Database
 

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Any recommendations? Please tell me what model, from where you purchased the e-cig, and why you prefer the particular model over other e-cigs. Hope to hear from you all soon! And thanks for the help! :)

I am using the Prodigy V3.1 from puresmoker and I love it. Can be used at 3.7 and 6volt and can fit any atty with the supplied adapters. My 3.7v batteries can last me a couple of days and provide large amounts of vapor and with the right ejuice very strong throat hit if that is your thing. I have tried some cartomizers from various makers as of late and I still find straight dripping the best way. I will save a cartomizer or 2 for when I am driving.
I see that you had mentioned dripping but as it is known now, using a cartridge is not dripping. Dripping is dripping the ejuice straight into the atty itself. I think you get better flavor out of straight dripping. 510 atty are very popular on this site but I would suggest not just looking at those. I have used a lot of different atty but I find the 801 to fit me the best.
It is a larger atty but I find it easier to drip with also.
I also have an eGo and I see why people use them but I still find my V3 to out perform it in every way except for size.
 

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I vaped 510s for most of the past year but switched to dripping with the eGo a couple of months back and find that completely satisfactory. Plenty of vapor and throat hit and much longer/more reliable battery life.

Why did you switch from 510s to eGos? What are the differences between the two?
 

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Nice to meet you, too, mistinthewoods! So what is the difference between Riva 901 and Riva 510? And what are kr808 D-1 cartomizers (I'm seeing numbers everywhere on this post, and I have no idea what they mean)? What is the difference between cartomizers and atomizers, and how long do cartomizers last? Thanks! :)
 
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As for dripping, there are drip tips now as others have mentioned, and there are also juice fed mods as previously noted.
And then there is an Auto-feed system like the GGTS with AVS you might want to check out.
And there is also a thing called the Vapemate that is becoming more popular.

Another thing that is becoming hugely popular is variable voltage mods.
Pretty soon all mods will have variable voltage most likely.

Ok, so what I thought was dripping was incorrect. I guess my version of dripping was just refilling cartridges with ejuice. What are drip tips and juice fed mods (can you post link/description/picture, please)? Can you also explain what auto-feed systems like GGTS with AVS are? What are variable voltage models? Sorry, obviously not as experienced as many people are in this forum! :(
 

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Dripping is when you put the juice directly into the atomizer. Drip tips make it easy because they have a big hole to accomodate the drops so you don't even take it off, just drip 3 drops through the hole and vape.
A juice fed mod holds juice so you don't have to drip yourself. There's manual ones where you squeeze the bottle to push juice into the atomizer, and a couple of auto units that do it for you.
Variable voltage lets you tailor the battery output to suit your needs. If you want to vape at 3v just turn a knob, want 6v turn it the other way. It changes the flavor of the juice to match your preferences.
Here's a link to the GGTS and AVS The Golden Greek.
Here's a link to RnR Manufacturing Welcome to R&R Manufacturing - Handcrafted Battery Box Mods.
It doesn't sound to me like you're after a mod, just a good unit that works consistently. Am I correct?
 

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Dripping is when you put the juice directly into the atomizer. Drip tips make it easy because they have a big hole to accomodate the drops so you don't even take it off, just drip 3 drops through the hole and vape.
A juice fed mod holds juice so you don't have to drip yourself. There's manual ones where you squeeze the bottle to push juice into the atomizer, and a couple of auto units that do it for you.
Variable voltage lets you tailor the battery output to suit your needs. If you want to vape at 3v just turn a knob, want 6v turn it the other way. It changes the flavor of the juice to match your preferences.
Here's a link to the GGTS and AVS The Golden Greek.
Here's a link to RnR Manufacturing Welcome to R&R Manufacturing - Handcrafted Battery Box Mods.
It doesn't sound to me like you're after a mod, just a good unit that works consistently. Am I correct?

It looks like the GG e-cig is a bit too advanced (and expensive) for me. What is a "mod"? Yes, I am looking for just a good unit that is better, longer-lasting (both battery life and atomizer), and creates more vapor and throat hit than a DSE901. But I don't know what a "mod" is... what else is there besides a "mod"? Thanks, cskent!
 

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Hi and welcome back. The hot machine these days is the eGo/Riva. It's a 510 based 650mah batt or larger. I've got the Mega eGo's at 900mah and they'll give me about 12 hours of vaping on a single charge. You can find them at most places but the best price right now is at Electronic Cigarette - Starter Kits - Riva 510, $37.49. There's a discount code available that brings it down to around $30. Someone who knows it will post I'm sure.
For dripping just get a drip tip. It replaces the cart and has a big hole in the tip so you don't have to remove it to drip. Most places have those also. There's plastic, aluminum, and stainless steel available. There's also short ones, and long ones. Just give one of the cheap ones a try to see if you like it. They're only $1.99 at Mods - Drip Tips.
Although the eGo and Riva are popular, I quit using mine when I got a mod. It's not that they're bad because they aren't, I just found something I like better. But mods are a whole different ball game. You'll probably get the most recommendations for the eGo/Riva, and for good reason. They're cheap, reliable, give a good vaping experience, and are easy to maintain.

Why do you like the "mod" better? And why aren't eGos and Rivas considered "mods"? Is the DSE901 a "mod"? I am seriously considering getting the Riva or eGo from Liberty-Flights as you suggested just because they are the least expensive.

However, I don't know which eGo or Rivas to get. Mistinthewoods (below) said the Riva 901 is "the same as the eGo but has a 901 fitting instead of a 510." So Rivas and eGos are the same? Or different (if so, how)? Mistinthewoods suggested the 901 simply because I already have DSE901 atomizers. But I want something better. Is the 510 better? I really appreciate all your help, cskent! :)
 

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If you really want more vapor and throat hit then you should switch to a 510 instead of a 901 model.
The reason, if you want to know about it, is that the 510 atomizer has lower resistance.

Whenever you want you can start learning about the relationship between power, voltage, and resistance of the atomizer.
Or not, and you can just get a Riva 901 model, which is the same thing as an Ego/Tornado/Inferno, but not sure they make 901 models.

But then again, you can get pretty much ANY model, and an adapter to make ANY atomizer work on it.
You've been away far too long, and there is 100x more to learn than you could have imagined.
:)

Oh, and a mod is basically a holder for a bigger, longer lasting, cheaper battery.
And there are hundreds of them, in tons and tons of flavors.

And in my opinion, the Ego/Riva/Tornado/Inferno are basically like mods, in that they are just a bigger battery.
But they are not mods because they use proprietary batteries, not standard batteries you can buy anywhere.
 
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A mod is short for modification. eGo's and Rivas are kind of like production mods. They have a large battery capacity compared to the standard 510. The basic 650mah (milliamp hour) battery of the eGo will last most users 8 hours between charges, so 2 batteries will get you through the day. Just charge them at night and they're ready in the morning. I have the 900mah eGo's and I was getting 12 to 14 hours on a single battery. The Riva is basically a different brand of eGo but it has a 750mah batt. Any of the units in that class are going to give decent performance. They're kind of the standard these days.
Back to mods for a minute, most mods offer longer battery life than a standard 510 or Kr808. They don't necessarily have to be expensive, I've got some simple box mods that cost less than a Riva. One of the benefits of most mods is that they run at a slightly higher voltage. An eGo is around 3.2 volts, most mods run at 3.7 volts but you can get them all the way up to 7.4v if you want. What the extra voltage does is let the atomizer get hotter and do so more quickly. This gives more vapor, more throat hit, and the vapor is a bit warmer. The higher the voltage, the more pronounced this is. One of the reasons I quit using my eGo's is that my mod, a Maxi Roughstack, can be used at different voltages. It also has 3000mah batteries which will last for a couple of days each if I want to go that long. It's also built of machined aluminum with no electronic circuit board so I don't have to worry about dropping it. But it is heavy compared to an eGo. Another nice thing about mods is that batteries are cheaper. Those 3000mah batteries cost $9.99 each. A replacement eGo battery is around $15 and they're about 1/3 the capacity.
As far as atomizers, the 510 is kind of becoming the standard, for better or worse. It's a good unit, but some people like other types and there's nothing wrong with the 901. 510's come in many options from low resistance to extra high resistance. You match the resistance level to the battery you have and your preferences. For a Riva or eGo you can go from 1.5 ohms resistance to around 3 ohms. The resistance level works similar to changing battery voltages. An LR at 1.7 ohms will heat up quicker and get hotter, giving more vapor than a 3 ohm one. It will also drain your battery quicker in the process. LR's have been giving problems to some eGo/Riva users in that the battery, actually the circuit board inside it, is not designed for the load an LR puts on it. Around 2.2 ohms seems to be safe, lower and you might have a problem especially if you take long draws. You can get a range of resistance levels in the 901 too, so you can customize your vaping experience using that connector as well. If you have a bunch of 901 parts on hand that might be the way to go since you could use them on the Riva 901. You can always get an adapter for a few dollars that will allow you to use them anyway though.
The basic differences between the eGo and Riva are the mah rating, the button, and price. eGo's start at 650mah and Riva's at 750mah. You can go up from there all the way to the 1300mah eGo. The higher the mah rating the bigger the battery gets though. The buttons are slightly different and some people like the softer, rounder button of the Riva over the hard plastic eGo button. Not a big deal for me. Riva's start out a bit cheaper in price, usually around $5 less for a kit. So basically they're the same, or close to it, but until you look at them both you probably won't be able to see the difference. So don't worry too much about it.
Since you're looking for more vapor and throat hit in an inexpensive unit, either the Riva or eGo will probably do well for you. I'd suggest using a 2.2 or 2.5 ohm atomizer to give it a little boost. If you're looking for even more battery life, check into one of the larger battery units like the Mega eGo.
I hope that answers most of your questions. Keep in mind that these are my opinions and others have theirs, but it's good to get as many as possible. There's lots of knowledgeable people here on ECF so just get all the information you need to make an informed decision. If you have any more questions just ask.
 

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Why did you switch from 510s to eGos? What are the differences between the two?

Only diffference is the battery life, EGOS/RIVA/T-REX they all 650Mah or you can get 1000mah battery. Also they all comparteble with 510 gear ( attys, cartos etc.). Another featture of them is that you can get mega cartomizers or mega automizers which only work with mega cartriges. Other than that its the same 510 unit only a lil bigger.
 

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From left to right - a Precise 10440 from Super-T manufacturing (510 connection, uses one 10440 battery), a KR808D-1 from Vapor4Life with an XL battery, a WetBox (a bottom feed juicer for cartomizers, uses a 14500 battery), the REO Mini from reosmods.com (510 connector, uses a 14500 battery) and the REO Grand from reosmods.com (uses either an 18650 battery for 3.7 volt or 2 CR123's for 6-volt). I highly recommend the REO's - read more about them in the Reviews section or follow the threads in the Forum Suppliers section.

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Hey There! Good to hear you are still vaping after 2 years, I'm just now coming up on my first year. I used a 901 for my first 6 months and then switched to a 510 Riva. There are a couple of differences in the 901 and the 510 mechanically, they are not interchangeable without an adaptor. The difference IMHO between the two is that the 901 is a cooler (as in heat) vape providing greater flavor, but without that strong throat hit. The difference in the batteries is night and day. The dse 901 batteries would last me a little over an hour, where the Riva lasts 4-5 hrs and will charge in just a couple of hours. I think you'd be happy with the 510 Riva and with it under $30 right now you can hardly loose.
 
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