I had all the same problems, and after about six weeks I then had cravings for a cigarette so bad that I couldn't understand. In addition to the physical symptoms, I also thought I was losing my mind with the mood problems. Found some threads about WTA (Whole tobacco Alkaloids). I bought some from wholecigs.com, vaped it exclusively for a solid week, and everything is fine now. It's expensive though, but I have found that now that I am back to normal, I can just vape it only in the mornings, then switch back to my other liquids for the rest of the day, and it seems to be enough.
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I had all the same problems, and after about six weeks I then had cravings for a cigarette so bad that I couldn't understand. In addition to the physical symptoms, I also thought I was losing my mind with the mood problems. Found some threads about WTA (Whole tobacco Alkaloids). I bought some from wholecigs.com, vaped it exclusively for a solid week, and everything is fine now. It's expensive though, but I have found that now that I am back to normal, I can just vape it only in the mornings, then switch back to my other liquids for the rest of the day, and it seems to be enough.
8-12mg for someone who smoked 2PAD is very low. I would have suggested you start at 24mg and if that felt too strong, to try 18mg. Many people with that much of a habit start at 36mg. Moodiness, short-tempered, aggressive - I would guess not enough nicotine.
Fatigue, feeling tired, stomach upset: There are lots of chemicals in cigarettes besides nicotine. You're going through drug withdrawals.
Nosebleed/cotton mouth: vaping is dehydrating. Try drinking more water than you ever have before in your life. I've also found drinking milk soothes my throat.
You may have jumped in too far too fast. Many people taper down their smoking in the beginning, rather than trying to quit all at once. Quitting smoking is very stressful, no matter what method you try, and you may be stressing yourself out more by forcing your body to do something it's not quite ready to.
These are just my observations, so take them with a grain of salt. If you feel you need to see a doctor, by all means see one.
ETA: I was going to suggest WTA too, but I didn't know of any vendor other than Aroma and they are always OOS. Thanks for the tip pamdis.
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I have heard that and yes I did try the higher nic levels at first , but I couldn't handle them and choked and coughed a lot
burned my throat real bad , and also got a burning sensation feeling in my lungs , I didn't like that 1 bit that's why I opted for the 12 and 8 , and yeah I am under a ton of stress at work and kinda second guessing my decision to start this journey , this is the hardest season during the year for us working 7 days a week for 14 - 21 days straight 12.5 hrs a day that's why im questioning if this was a good idea for me to attempt this right now .
yeah im happy I haven't smoked in weeks but honestly this past 7 days has been the worst so far not to mention im honestly not all that thrilled with the chest pains im getting in the past few days , never ever had that happen before either , hence is why im considering going and seeing the doctor , yeah this has been the hardest week so far
burned my throat real bad , and also got a burning sensation feeling in my lungs , I didn't like that 1 bit that's why I opted for the 12 and 8 , and yeah I am under a ton of stress at work and kinda second guessing my decision to start this journey , this is the hardest season during the year for us working 7 days a week for 14 - 21 days straight 12.5 hrs a day that's why im questioning if this was a good idea for me to attempt this right now .
yeah im happy I haven't smoked in weeks but honestly this past 7 days has been the worst so far not to mention im honestly not all that thrilled with the chest pains im getting in the past few days , never ever had that happen before either , hence is why im considering going and seeing the doctor , yeah this has been the hardest week so far
Welcome to, yeah, tobacco cig's really do taste like crap. Had to lmao when reading your first post on the thread also.
What is your VG/PG %'s ? To high PG can have adverse effect on some, allergic reactions an so on.. I know some of the juices I ordered at 80%PG, I found harsh and strong tasting. I've been changing my %'s with each order, to find the level I prefer. Right now liking 60% VG best. Takes time to find what one prefers and can tolerate when starting to Vape. I was using 24mg nicotine, when running an ego with protank atomizer. Once I upgraded to a Provari and the Russian rba, had to cut my nic down to 18% Was getting way over nic'd at 24mg with the more efficient devices. The only time I get headaches, is when I over do it, and don't drink enough water. Vapping tends to dehydrate ones body, so it's good to drink lots of water while doing the Vape.
What is your VG/PG %'s ? To high PG can have adverse effect on some, allergic reactions an so on.. I know some of the juices I ordered at 80%PG, I found harsh and strong tasting. I've been changing my %'s with each order, to find the level I prefer. Right now liking 60% VG best. Takes time to find what one prefers and can tolerate when starting to Vape. I was using 24mg nicotine, when running an ego with protank atomizer. Once I upgraded to a Provari and the Russian rba, had to cut my nic down to 18% Was getting way over nic'd at 24mg with the more efficient devices. The only time I get headaches, is when I over do it, and don't drink enough water. Vapping tends to dehydrate ones body, so it's good to drink lots of water while doing the Vape.
no real cigarette, only 0mg e-juice if e cig, no nicotine is allowed, ruled by my wife...
24mg make my heart little discomfortable indeed before, i don't know why, but most my clients choose 24. I can accept 16.
I never though of giving up smoking e cig, because at least it's a good to always smoke e cig, instead of real cigarette.
24mg make my heart little discomfortable indeed before, i don't know why, but most my clients choose 24. I can accept 16.
I never though of giving up smoking e cig, because at least it's a good to always smoke e cig, instead of real cigarette.
I smoked for 30 years also and never thought I'd quit. After about a week of vaping, I tried to smoke and was shocked that I couldn't. After vaping for a little more than two years, I've tried a real cig about 4 times in the past couple years (just to make sure I'm not missing anything). The last time was more than a year ago. I finally realized I'm not missing anything and I just can't smoke anymore. It's a miracle! It's a great addiction! 
It might not be the right time. I think part of what makes vaping successful is that there is an element of fun to it - which it doesn't sound like you are having. You seem to be under an enormous amount of stress and attempting to quit smoking on top of it might not be the best plan. I would really hate for you to be turned off to vaping completely due to a bad experience. Vaping isn't going anywhere. If you can't deal with it right now, try again when you don't have so much on your plate. I want to help people stop smoking, but I don't want them to go nuts trying. You don't have to stop this very second. I'm not going to say "just keep at it" if the time isn't right. People quit when they are ready to, not when they are told they should be ready to.
honestly I wasn't expecting the side effects to come on so strong all of a sudden in the past week , im really not thrilled by the chest pains im having all of a sudden either ok im seriously not digging that ,
not to mention my mind is telling me right now . hey man is all this worth not smoking , the headaches , the sudden nose bleed
and everything else your suffering from yeah this is the longest I have ever gone with out smoking in the past 30+ years and no I have never experienced any of this .
I don't want to cave and I don't want to go back to analogs , but I am seriously second guessing my decision to embark on this
im sure some of what im feeling is common , but I damn sure don't like it i'll say that much .
and the idea that I can make it all stop and things will go back to normal if I put the PV done and I just start smoking again bothers me .
yeah today has been the worst struggle so far as far as my journey goes .
please note : I am ready to quit , I just didn't realize I was gonna suffer so badly doing it , i feel like im on a rollercoaster , 1 day i feel good and im fine the next im hurting , this is all totally unexpected ,
this is a very disappointing sudden set back to say the least .
not to mention my mind is telling me right now . hey man is all this worth not smoking , the headaches , the sudden nose bleed
and everything else your suffering from yeah this is the longest I have ever gone with out smoking in the past 30+ years and no I have never experienced any of this .
I don't want to cave and I don't want to go back to analogs , but I am seriously second guessing my decision to embark on this
im sure some of what im feeling is common , but I damn sure don't like it i'll say that much .
and the idea that I can make it all stop and things will go back to normal if I put the PV done and I just start smoking again bothers me .
yeah today has been the worst struggle so far as far as my journey goes .
please note : I am ready to quit , I just didn't realize I was gonna suffer so badly doing it , i feel like im on a rollercoaster , 1 day i feel good and im fine the next im hurting , this is all totally unexpected ,
this is a very disappointing sudden set back to say the least .
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Glad you're going to go in to the doctor's office. There are a number of members who do have allergic reactions to PG, but there are e-liquids that are 100% VG, if you need to go that route. The main thing, is to find out what is causing you such severe symptoms, and then you can decide on the appropriate next steps for your own well-being.
Good luck
Good luck
well I made the appt , to go see him , kinda sucks really im not really allergic to much , but he does know im using this ecig
and all , and that's the first thing he said he wants to test me for was the propylene glycol allergy so lets see .
isn't like that stuff in everything these days almost ??
I don't really have any other allergies to much else except a few meds to my knowledge , and I have never experienced
these symptoms before like this . but lets face it you always find out about an allergy the Hard way i guess pretty odd because i just went in for my annual about 8 weeks ago with the typical hey lets drain ya of 5 pints of blood and all , like those vampires love to do , and other then a slight cholesterol jump by 2 points from last year i was ok for the most part .
and all , and that's the first thing he said he wants to test me for was the propylene glycol allergy so lets see .
isn't like that stuff in everything these days almost ??
I don't really have any other allergies to much else except a few meds to my knowledge , and I have never experienced
these symptoms before like this . but lets face it you always find out about an allergy the Hard way i guess pretty odd because i just went in for my annual about 8 weeks ago with the typical hey lets drain ya of 5 pints of blood and all , like those vampires love to do , and other then a slight cholesterol jump by 2 points from last year i was ok for the most part .
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It's good that you're seeing the doctor. Pain in the chest is not normal from too much nicotine, so my feeling is that you may have dropped the nicotine too low too soon, especially since you are having so much trouble with symptoms that would seem to indicate nicotine withdrawal.
When we start vaping we automatically try to do it like we are smoking a tobacco cigarette, with a full lung draw. VG is a humectant (draws moisture out of the tissues) and makes a very thick vapour, and this can cause you some problems. Symptoms are usually a tight chest, coughing, and even some slight pain or discomfort.
Since most of the nicotine is actually absorbed in the tissue of the throat and nasal passages, it's actually not of any advantage to take huge lung draws. Try drawing until you feel a throat hit, and then blow the vapour out of your nose. This will increase the nicotine absorption and give you a more satisfying vape without getting too much vapor in your lungs.
If you don't get a satisfying throat hit from this technique then you night need to increase your nicotine level again (most probably, from what you've said).
I think you also said you were having trouble with your tongue? Drink lots of water and brush your teeth often. You may need to vape less and this is part of getting the nicotine level right as well. More nicotine in the vape means that you need to vape less to maintain your nicotine levels. You might also find it helpful to use different flavours during the day. Vaping one flavour exclusively will lead to tastebud fatigue, where you can no longer taste the vapor or get much enjoyment out of it.
Some people that have a reaction can vape smaller percentages of PG, but high PG blends cause them problems. There's also alternatives like PEG400 however I've never used it. Don't second guess it at this stage, your body is having to make a huge adjustment to doing without tobacco, and as I suggested you might need to change your technique a little. See what your doctor says, and I'm sure he will be supportive of your vaping instead of smoking.
There are a number of vendors who have 100% VG flavors, as well, so that might be an alternative, if needed.
There are other alternatives before going back to cigarettes. WTA and Swedish Snus are in my stash.
I follow http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...er-your-lip-your-nose-right-now-part-2-a.html to get my info.
I follow http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...er-your-lip-your-nose-right-now-part-2-a.html to get my info.
thanks for that info , i will have to look into those options once i find out if its indeed the PG causing these issues , i do find myself vaping a lot maybe more so then most because of my stressful work schedule etc etc , 7 days a week 12.5 hrs a day 2-3 weeks a a time is brutal and pretty stressful , but im not sure if im overdosing on the nic , if im suffering from PG allergy
or what is happening honestly , hopefully the doc can shed some light on whats happening , as i said during my annual physical i was fine a few weeks back , so this is pretty messed up , i do know this i contacted the place i buy
my juices from and they do not carry 100%VP juices so if the PG is indeed the issue so much for shopping there if im gonna keep vaping then im gonna have to start shopping for 100% VP juice suppliers i suppose .
note : i did find out today the place i buy my ejuice from currently uses a 60/40 mix
or what is happening honestly , hopefully the doc can shed some light on whats happening , as i said during my annual physical i was fine a few weeks back , so this is pretty messed up , i do know this i contacted the place i buy
my juices from and they do not carry 100%VP juices so if the PG is indeed the issue so much for shopping there if im gonna keep vaping then im gonna have to start shopping for 100% VP juice suppliers i suppose .
note : i did find out today the place i buy my ejuice from currently uses a 60/40 mix
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yes you still are addicted to NICOTINE, but NOW you don't get all the bad stuff big tobacco puts in its cancer sticks. plus not to mention the fact that i'm sure your saving a lot of money. glad to hear your recent switch tho, vape on brotha!
You can vape 0% nicotine if you just want flavour. I/we don't recommend getting an addiction you didn't have before. (or was it more than just the "occasional" cigar?)
The common symptoms of nicotine overdose are nausea, heart palpitations, and a ringing in the ears. If you're not getting any of those then it would not appear to be nicotine overdose.
Headaches which you mentioned can be a symptom of nicotine overdose, or a lack of of nicotine (withdrawal) so inconclusive in this context. A really severe nasty headache can be the result of caffeine withdrawal as well. Sometimes when we stop smoking we get out of normal habits like the morning coffee with a cigarette. If I forget the morning coffee I have a monster headache by 10AM, and paracetamol or Ibuprofen does nothing for it. It's normally gone within an hour of having a coffee however.
This thread has some useful information on symptoms for both smoking cessation and adverse reactions to PG:
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...hen-quitting-tobacco-changing-ecigarette.html
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