Once again, I'm about ready to give up
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Well I for one go through way more than three bottles of juice per month.
I enjoy vaping my custom made flavors a lot.
And honestly, if I didn't DIY and just purchased my pre mixed juice, I would be right around the same cost as buying analogs.
Instead, I am down to less than $20 per month by DIYing.
Granted, I spent a lot of money up front for my mixing gear but that's a personal issue of mine as I always seem to go way overboard.
If I got by on two or three bottles of ejuice per month, then I might be inclined to just buy pre mixed too. But that's not my situation.
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Diy is the to go. I found after getting a decent setup for mixing things got better. Magnetic mixer, heating mantle, and plenty of glassware. Also justing juice me up softeware helped to track, adjust, and save my recipes.
I'm not trying to sound like an a**,but this is just about the dumbest thing thing i have heard.Just because you dont want to diy,does not justify saying that people who do,don't know what they are doing.Do you think those people in the shops knew what they were doing before they got started?And most people do not commit a room to be a 'labratory",i mix in my living room.As for being dangerous to people who live there,care to elaborate?We are not making bombs here,and it's not rocket science.I have kids,and sorry to inform you but my juice making does not put them in ANY danger at all,that is just a rediculous comment.As long as the person making their own juice has enough sense to keep the nicotine put away where it is unaccessible to kids and immediately cleans up if they have a spill,then there is no danger to others.
b.m. is right though. There is nothing dangerous as long as you keep your materials locked away and keep a clean work space. People who dedicate a room are usually attempting to be more than a hobbyist. Also a lot of people will rent out a commercial kitchen if they are making really large batches. For people creating their own supply I don't see the problem. Also, three bottles of juice a day, I go through three a week sometimes. So DIY really is the only way for me to make vaping cost effective if I want to keep using my desired set up.
And the thing is, nobody has to DIY with strong nic! If one has an issue with supposed safety, they only have to DIY with nic that is near their current nic level, so in that case the DIY venture would be no more unsafe than the current eliquid they have in their house. And honestly, I got everything around my house from ammonia, bleach, drano, ovens without locks, sharp knives and such, but my little baby always manages to hurt herself on the dadgum coffee table! Go figure.
DIY is definitely not for everyone, even though it may seem like it should be to those of us that enjoy it. I wish I had an idea how many people do DIY their juice vs. use pre-made.
[edit] To elaborate a bit, she has some valid points. If saving a couple of bucks a day is inconsequential to you, why bother? If you are intimidated by basic chemistry and are comfortable letting others do that for you, perhaps you should. If you are not confident you can do it safely, can you justify possibly putting others in harm's way? If the mere sight of syringes, beakers, and little bottles of mysterious substances causes you anguish, you don't have to put up with that. If your life is busy enough that learning and practicing something new would seriously impact your lifestyle and take time away from things you enjoy, why should you?
IMO, there is a good reason for those scary safety threads and the complexity of the lore found in this forum. I know a lot of people that definitely should not DIY without a major change in lifestyle and perspective, and I feel no need to convert them, unless they express serious interest in doing so.
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Diy makes the most sense interms of cost per mil of juice. Make juice is the cooking a good meal. I love it especially when you create a good flavor
They key is to stick with the good recipes and improve those, then work on a couple of small test mixes to see what you like.
If some flavor is wrecking your juices and you don't like it stop using it.....you know which one is doing it usually by the 2nd or 3rd mistake. ( sometimes the 1st )
I have had some mixes taste abit too strong and cut them by 50% and they tasted much better.
I would definitely read up on each flavor you use and what other people have done with that one flavor . ( for each flavor )
But the one thing I do know is once I found a flavor that sucked.....I stopped using it. LOL!
Another thing I did start doing was testing each flavor by itself to understand exactly what it tastes like. try it weak and strong.
Right now I am mixing Tobacco Mixes with anywhere from 5-6 to 10+ different flavors, but I know what each one will do when I add it.
Some flavors can be used right away other will have to steep some too get rid of the nasty taste of chemicals. Also some flavors you will only be able to add a few drops per 10 ml other 10 or more drops. researching each flavor is critical.
There is a point when adding too many/much total flavors ( for me its 15-20% depending on the flavors ) that the mix becomes too saturated and will have to be cut. Reducing the flavors % before mixing is the best way with a multiple flavor recipe.
You can always add alittle more, but once you get too much then you cross into fixing it territory.
I have only been DIYing for a couple months and its been a blast here.
If some flavor is wrecking your juices and you don't like it stop using it.....you know which one is doing it usually by the 2nd or 3rd mistake. ( sometimes the 1st )
I have had some mixes taste abit too strong and cut them by 50% and they tasted much better.
I would definitely read up on each flavor you use and what other people have done with that one flavor . ( for each flavor )
But the one thing I do know is once I found a flavor that sucked.....I stopped using it. LOL!
Another thing I did start doing was testing each flavor by itself to understand exactly what it tastes like. try it weak and strong.
Right now I am mixing Tobacco Mixes with anywhere from 5-6 to 10+ different flavors, but I know what each one will do when I add it.
Some flavors can be used right away other will have to steep some too get rid of the nasty taste of chemicals. Also some flavors you will only be able to add a few drops per 10 ml other 10 or more drops. researching each flavor is critical.
There is a point when adding too many/much total flavors ( for me its 15-20% depending on the flavors ) that the mix becomes too saturated and will have to be cut. Reducing the flavors % before mixing is the best way with a multiple flavor recipe.
You can always add alittle more, but once you get too much then you cross into fixing it territory.
I have only been DIYing for a couple months and its been a blast here.
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Now that comment is just to out there for words. By all means just spend your $19.95 a bottle and be happy. And when shopping around for your juice please don't partake in any sales or great prices that may cramp your life style. After all you don't want to come off looking cheap or thrifty........ Boy what an insulting comment to those who enjoy the art of being creative.
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When I used to buy e-juice online, and purchased juices for the first time, only to find out they where not for me....Now THAT was frustrating....and more expensive than making a bum juice. Like another poster in this thread I spent some time and lots of money with rebuildables, only to find out that it was not for me. I like making my own juice. I have my procedure set for both commercial flavors, and tobacco extractions and they never vary...ever! So when I make a juice I don't like, my variables are only 1
1.-FLAVOR
a.-Have I added enough flavor, or too much???
b.-Is the flavoring right for me?
c.-Are the flavors I mixed compatible???
Everything else is a fixed process. I make all my juices 50/50 VG/PG with 20mg. of nicotine. I always steep the same way. And most importantly I always measure the same way. This is probably an under stressed topic, but I found out through the hard way that when making initial batches(usually 5ml., or 10ml. bottles) the % of flavoring used makes for tiny dosages, and so much as 1 drop can throw the flavor off-whack.
As for giving up the towel....go for it, I've done it a million times.
The truth is that there are no experts here. The industry isn't old enough to have experts. I worked as a Tobacco researcher for 12 years from 1981 to 1993. My Father was in the industry too, but I never considered myself an expert, and neither did he. The old dogs used to say you needed at least 20 years to be good at it. Yeah well I moved on, and now I'm benefitting from my previous meager knowledge, by finding the right tobaccos to extract, and loving it.
I didn't even imagine 6 years ago that one could put "Vanilla Cappuccino melon meringue Burley" in one's lungs, but here we are.
I say enjoy the ride, take what knowledge you accumulate by your mistakes and become a vape gourmet.
1.-FLAVOR
a.-Have I added enough flavor, or too much???
b.-Is the flavoring right for me?
c.-Are the flavors I mixed compatible???
Everything else is a fixed process. I make all my juices 50/50 VG/PG with 20mg. of nicotine. I always steep the same way. And most importantly I always measure the same way. This is probably an under stressed topic, but I found out through the hard way that when making initial batches(usually 5ml., or 10ml. bottles) the % of flavoring used makes for tiny dosages, and so much as 1 drop can throw the flavor off-whack.
As for giving up the towel....go for it, I've done it a million times.
The truth is that there are no experts here. The industry isn't old enough to have experts. I worked as a Tobacco researcher for 12 years from 1981 to 1993. My Father was in the industry too, but I never considered myself an expert, and neither did he. The old dogs used to say you needed at least 20 years to be good at it. Yeah well I moved on, and now I'm benefitting from my previous meager knowledge, by finding the right tobaccos to extract, and loving it.
I didn't even imagine 6 years ago that one could put "Vanilla Cappuccino melon meringue Burley" in one's lungs, but here we are.
I say enjoy the ride, take what knowledge you accumulate by your mistakes and become a vape gourmet.
One more thing....
If I make a flavor that tastes just like I want it to, right off the mix, then I've probably gone too weak on my dosages. I usually make my flavors 30% stronger than my gut tells me to, and that REALLY works because flavors tend to coalesce, and soften with steeping time.
OK, I'm done
If I make a flavor that tastes just like I want it to, right off the mix, then I've probably gone too weak on my dosages. I usually make my flavors 30% stronger than my gut tells me to, and that REALLY works because flavors tend to coalesce, and soften with steeping time.
OK, I'm done
Wow. I have found the complete opposite to be true! But, hey, our individual palates are always right.
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Whats up Mr Mann...thats why I got rid of my coffee table till my son was walking good enough to steer clear of them,same thing was happening to us.
hahahaha! Sup, Dale?! Screw nicotine, we need to protect the kids from coffee tables. For real!
The fascinating thing about this post in the DIY E-Liquid sub forum is not only that it is IN the DIY E-Liquid sub forum and is rude to everyone who does DIY their own juice, is that the poster hates themselves for posting it. "I hate to be rude,..."
Maybe it's a good thing I don't know much about psychology because I'll bet that the post reveals quite a bit about the poster that I don't want to know.
Hurricanegirl100 storms through here like a wrecking ball and then just sits back and watches the reaction with no response. So brave.
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