Both my VV devices have a 10sec cut out and I wouldn't call that safe in the pocket area, 16secs is not something I would even think about risking. People are talking like Provaris are really safe, but they are no safer than most equivalent devices you can argue that they are more reliable but at nearly 10 times the price of the equivalents they need something to warrant it but it aint safety.
One-button menus must die.
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I've only ever turned off a ProVari once... Boxes aren't my thing, but if ProVape makes one... I see mods getting smaller as battery technology develops and as regulation bans mods over 20 watts
And there's the everything is getting banned tag line.
Just because someone doesn't care for a one button system doesn't mean they think it's inferior.
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You are one a few who starts a thread then actually continues to post. Most start a war then disappear. Bravo...
I watched the Phil video as well and to be honest I get a kick watching his videos, but in this one he had me bored with the menu. All this as I was waiting for my P3 to arrive. I had the manual downloaded and read it again and Provape made it seem easier. I have two Provari 2.5's so I know how the one button works and how durable the entire Provari is. Yesterday my P3 arrived and after unboxing it and putting in a 18490 battery I was ready to vape. 4 clicks and the main menu scrolls by. Click the power button and it says off, one click and it's on. Click the button 4 times and the menu comes on again and scrolls. It was in volts at the time so I can hit the up power button or down, wait 2 seconds and it changes from volts to watts and you can go up or down. Very simple and easy.
I'm sure if you had a P3 in your hand and simply tried the menu several times you'd see how easy it is to use. As far as battery safety goes look at all the cheap fake batteries which are sold at bargain prices with the wrong specs on them. The Provari won't fire them and that is a feature and benefit to the Provari owner. You own expensive mods and I'm sure you use high quality batteries, but for the $25.00 mod owners are they going to buy $12.00 high quality batteries or cheap $6.00 batteries? Unfortunately the $25.00 mod will fire the cheap battery.
That's it for me and thanks for responding.
You are one a few who starts a thread then actually continues to post. Most start a war then disappear. Bravo...
I watched the Phil video as well and to be honest I get a kick watching his videos, but in this one he had me bored with the menu. All this as I was waiting for my P3 to arrive. I had the manual downloaded and read it again and Provape made it seem easier. I have two Provari 2.5's so I know how the one button works and how durable the entire Provari is. Yesterday my P3 arrived and after unboxing it and putting in a 18490 battery I was ready to vape. 4 clicks and the main menu scrolls by. Click the power button and it says off, one click and it's on. Click the button 4 times and the menu comes on again and scrolls. It was in volts at the time so I can hit the up power button or down, wait 2 seconds and it changes from volts to watts and you can go up or down. Very simple and easy.
I'm sure if you had a P3 in your hand and simply tried the menu several times you'd see how easy it is to use. As far as battery safety goes look at all the cheap fake batteries which are sold at bargain prices with the wrong specs on them. The Provari won't fire them and that is a feature and benefit to the Provari owner. You own expensive mods and I'm sure you use high quality batteries, but for the $25.00 mod owners are they going to buy $12.00 high quality batteries or cheap $6.00 batteries? Unfortunately the $25.00 mod will fire the cheap battery.
That's it for me and thanks for responding.
The steps you outlined would have taken much longer than having a simple up and down button is the point of the OP and PB's review.....
Nobody is going to argue that Provari's are bullet proof - but hey my Hana has lasted well over a year with zero issues and it has three buttons.
This doesn't change some people like the small step they took with the P3 and some wanted more. I applaud Provape shaped their newest device to their loyal customer base but question why they didn't go after more market.
And that's a good and subtle point from an owner that is useful to know and that I would not be aware of. Thanks, that makes a lot of sense. I do pocket carry so that is a concern for me. I notice that with my ZNA that can happen because the throw weight on the switch is light - its one of the thinks I like about the ZNA - but I do make a point to lock the device when putting it back in my pocket for this reason. Not having to do that with the Provari is appealing to me as I am out and about quite a bit - thanks!
Very true. It does make me think of something else - if a product employs a one button system, the button life would have to be exceptional because its used for more than just firing - so the button use-case has to tolerate a significantly higher number of presses, moreso than a multi-button or ring control device interface. Makes sense they would put extra time, quality and engineering into the button as a result.
The steps I outlined are from opening the box for the first time, inserting a battery, and turning the unit on. It comes in the off position to begin with. To change the watts or volts up or down is easy. You may think that's way too much work, but I don't. If you have to call someone out of state on your smart cell phone and the number isn't programmed, isn't 10 button pushes a bit too much?
For the ex heavy smoker (such as myself) I feel Provape is right on target. 20 watts is plenty as most of us are all just trying to stay of cigarettes and we want a mod which will not fire when it pushes the limits and will always fire with the right set up.
I have a zna, and honestly the p3 is easier for me to adjust. Easy when I need it to be, like driving. Click one button 4 times, the scroll is set to medium, click "recall" and I choose one of 5 presets and done. Those 5 presets can be diff watts, boost, etc. It's unbelievably easy, and the screen makes it easy to see and choose. Total of 6 clicks, all within about 5 sec, with one hand, and I'm done. The zna is a nice peice, mine is ss, but it is a lot heavier and noticeable in my jacket. I do like that I can set it down sideways without it rolling around, but for ease of use for me, the p3 menu is as easy as it gets....not necessarily when I am sitting at home, but for quick changes when I'm occupied with other things. It's awesome.
I bought a Vamo to try. everytime I vaped it my finger was lead to the voltage buttons instead. It was a constant battle. Was used to my SVD with one button. Bought my first Provari on Friday. It looks now my SVD will be retired into my collection.Likely what you get used to using. CHEERS!
This brings up a good point. My girlfriends can text and walk without any problems; the generations after me grew up playing video games with controllers far more complex than the Ataris or Commodore 64s I grew up with, yet some vapers have trouble navigating a simple menu with one button. Imagine if they had to actually write in cursive, do math by hand or research a paper in a library...
They were lucky. I wanted to play a game I had to put a dime in the machine. LOL
Just watched the nov 14 psardio vid. Best thing about it is when he pulls out his hammered v2 for size comparison, the one he has been using for the last two years, and says it has been perfect...one button and all.
Maybe it's just me but 1 button or 3 buttons is basically a non issue, it's just a different way of getting to the same place. I set my preferences then vape, the only button I'm pushing 99% of the time is the fire button.
I've owned both and liked or disliked both which had nothing to do with the number of buttons. Many things are higher on my priority list when picking out a variable pv, accuracy, form factor, materials used, battery life, keeping the power at set point from the first vape to the last, durability, quality of the connector, available power for my toppers builds and preference, durability, service after the sale, heat-battery-current protection, etc.
There is no perfect PV or anything else for that matter and never will be for everyone. If not having or only having 1 button is a high on someones priority list choose accordingly, there are many choices out there.
I've owned both and liked or disliked both which had nothing to do with the number of buttons. Many things are higher on my priority list when picking out a variable pv, accuracy, form factor, materials used, battery life, keeping the power at set point from the first vape to the last, durability, quality of the connector, available power for my toppers builds and preference, durability, service after the sale, heat-battery-current protection, etc.
There is no perfect PV or anything else for that matter and never will be for everyone. If not having or only having 1 button is a high on someones priority list choose accordingly, there are many choices out there.
I'm sensitive to this because I made that mistake in a product several years ago - overfocused on current customers feedback on the things they liked that agreed with me, but then over time those same customers eventually bailed onto a new product that solved the problem very differently. There was no warning and I thought I was doing all the right things. Its only in hindsight that I really understood that I should take the feedback I may not like and look to how to innovate outside my customers feedback by looking at non-customer feedback and market direction. This is something I am seeing with the P3, but I am not a shareholder, so all I have is the opinion of my observations which don't hold much water with anyone except myself.
This is a keypoint for me and I will restate it from the first post, for me vaping is a companion activity, not a dedicated one and I don't want too much of my attention diverted due to the interface. I'm hearing that once you get used to it, its not a distraction for some.
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