One-button menus must die.

[Firecrow]

As far as battery safety goes look at all the cheap fake batteries which are sold at bargain prices with the wrong specs on them. The Provari won't fire them and that is a feature and benefit to the Provari owner. You own expensive mods and I'm sure you use high quality batteries, but for the $25.00 mod owners are they going to buy $12.00 high quality batteries or cheap $6.00 batteries? Unfortunately the $25.00 mod will fire the cheap battery.
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This is a good point for the liability of the manufacture and distribution of the device. But how many reports are we seeing of regulated mods venting? I've not seen any, but if someone has links to some I'd be interested in reading them. I understand the risk is way higher with mechanicals and why.

 

[zapped]

This is a good point for the liability of the manufacture and distribution of the device. But how many reports are we seeing of regulated mods venting? I've not seen any, but if someone has links to some I'd be interested in reading them. I understand the risk is way higher with mechanicals and why.

I saw a Provari vent at Vapercon a few years ago. Thankfully GrimmGreen had enough presence of mind to grab it with a shirt and run it outside as it the battery gassed.

After a few minutes in the bushes the bottom cap was screwed off and the battery pried out of it. Provari fired right up with a fresh AW inside.

The battery that gassed was a cheap unregulated battery that the owner had taken out of a laptop pack.

 

[Firecrow]

I saw a Provari vent at Vapercon a few years ago. Thankfully GrimmGreen had enough presence of mind to grab it with a shirt and run it outside as it the battery gassed.

After a few minutes in the bushes the bottom cap was screwed off and the battery pried out of it. Provari fired right up with a fresh AW inside.

The battery that gassed was a cheap unregulated battery that the owner had taken out of a laptop pack.

Do you know what version it was (the Provari)...

 

[zapped]

Do you know what version it was (the Provari)...

2.0 I believe.

 

[Firecrow]

Well, using a cell from a deconstructed laptop battery pack is pure lunacy. Are people really that hard up that they can't afford a properly rated battery??

/mind blown

I wouldn't blame that on the Provari. Thats just stupid+darwin.

 

[danca90]

To the OP:


but for the $25.00 mod owners are they going to buy $12.00 high quality batteries or cheap $6.00 batteries? Unfortunately the $25.00 mod will fire the cheap battery.

That's it for me and thanks for responding.

Ad hominem.
And a mostly wrong one at that. If you want to tote elitism of $250 devices over $25 devices, you should be advised that most $25 devices are mech mods. Most mech users use RDA's, as such, no crappy batteries. Sony VTC's are the standard, nod of the hat goes to samsung 25r's, and the red LG's.

 

[Firecrow]

I run LGs, VTC4's and VTC5's and I cycle through a pile of them...

 

[Pinggolfer]

Ad hominem.
And a mostly wrong one at that. If you want to tote elitism of $250 devices over $25 devices, you should be advised that most $25 devices are mech mods. Most mech users use RDA's, as such, no crappy batteries. Sony VTC's are the standard, nod of the hat goes to samsung 25r's, and the red LG's.

You need to read the OP's post. We are not talking about mech's at all. The subject never came up. The OP was referring to the one button on the Provari P3. There is no elitism here as the OP owns a $300.00 ZNA.

 

[stevegmu]

I just don't understand how a $250 mass produced P3 could be considered an elitist device. It is not rare nor expensive...

 

[Firecrow]

Ad hominem.
And a mostly wrong one at that. If you want to tote elitism of $250 devices over $25 devices, you should be advised that most $25 devices are mech mods. Most mech users use RDA's, as such, no crappy batteries. Sony VTC's are the standard, nod of the hat goes to samsung 25r's, and the red LG's.

Hi danca90,

As pointed out, there isn't any elitism going on in this thread, its a healthy discussion about the P3, but more about one-button firing in regulated mods. I also own a copper Manhattan and a Hades, so I am familiar with mechanical's characteristics. Aside from some type of battery isolation mechanism it makes total sense that mechanicals have one button - but that's not the subject at discussion. I invite you to read the whole thread and comment on the thread topic. Its been a really good discussion, and I've learned a lot along the way, as I hope others have too. Looking forward to your input.

Thanks for your reply.

 

[Firecrow]

. The Provari won't fire them and that is a feature and benefit to the Provari owner. You own expensive mods and I'm sure you use high quality batteries, but for the $25.00 mod owners are they going to buy $12.00 high quality batteries or cheap $6.00 batteries? Unfortunately the $25.00 mod will fire the cheap battery. .

I guess the question is how did the Provari fire this battery then if it can detect a battery that is liable to vent?

 

[Mtek]

I just don't understand how a $250 mass produced P3 could be considered an elitist device. It is not rare nor expensive...

I consider it an elite device, but not because of the cost or exclusivity as you pointed out. I consider it a top tier mod as they are known for quality and reliablity. When I started vaping and joined a month ago, two year old provaris were selling for around 100 bucks in the classies, and sold frequently. Obvious people trusted them to work, some people are very enthusiastic about the customer service/product and own several. The elitism, if anyone wants to label it as that, comes from the reputation. They are not expensive, one could buy a used one for approx 100 dollars and sell it a year later for 75. They are actually inexpensive when you look at it this way and, from what I've seen, one of the easiest to sell. I think most would trust a year or two old provari over the majority of other brands to work and work properly.

 

[Firecrow]

I consider it an elite device, but not because of the cost or exclusivity as you pointed out. I consider it a top tier mod as they are known for quality and reliablity.

Its good that you defined your interpretation of elitist. Some people bristle at the word depending on how its used. Its a provocative word here for some because of the strong loyalty and outspokeness of the brand supporters, which sometimes rubs some people the wrong way online depending on how its debated. Part of getting along in an online forum is respecting other people's opinions and not to be threatened by them. Equally an opinion shouldn't be used to exclude or diminish another's opinion. I encourage everyone here to consider this before posting further.

 

[Pinggolfer]

I guess the question is how did the Provari fire this battery then if it can detect a battery that is liable to vent?

A very good question. I would have bet the Provari would shut right down. Learn something new every day.

 

[rondasherrill]

A very good question. I would have bet the Provari would shut right down. Learn something new every day.

A Provari can output 3.5A(???) now. Obviously, the battery that vented was so far gone that it took less than that paltry amp limit to cause thermal runaway.

 

[Firecrow]

A Provari can output 3.5A(???) now. Obviously, the battery that vented was so far gone that it took less than that paltry amp limit to cause thermal runaway.

But isn't the design supposed to prevent that? Seriously just curious about how the battery safety circuitry differs from other mods in preventing these kind of events.

 

[stevegmu]

I put a AA battery in a ProVape-1 once to test the protection circuitry. It didn't fire...

I think most laptop battery calls are 3.7v...

 

[WattWick]

I guess the question is how did the Provari fire this battery then if it can detect a battery that is liable to vent?

A mod can measure a batterys voltage. That's all it knows about it. The rest is about setting an amp limit and keeping fingers crossed that the user don't insert a battery that can't handle this limit.

(This post is ignoring the idea that there MAY be a mod out there that measure internal battery resistance. Never heard of such a mod, tho)

 

[Firecrow]

A mod can measure a batterys voltage. That's all it knows about it. The rest is about setting an amp limit and keeping fingers crossed that the user don't insert a battery that can't handle this limit.

(This post is ignoring the idea that there MAY be a mod out there that measure internal battery resistance. Never heard of such a mod, tho)

Certainly would be another good safety feature - that would close the loop on battery safety, would it not?

 

[WattWick]

Certainly would be another good safety feature - that would close the loop on battery safety, would it not?

I'm no expert but it could be nice. Not sure if it's possible, tho. Only place I've seen such features is on rather high-end battery chargers intended for RC hobbyists and such. Even with those I think it's only possible to get an estimation of internal resistance while charging.

(I will slowly try to back off of this limb I suddenly found myself on. Again, I'm no expert.)