One of the first fairly accurate articles I have seen on ecigs
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Thanks for this great article Imagine!
Isn't it amazing how people are "scared" of something that just might help people stop smoking scientifically proven to be deadly tobacco cigarettes? tobacco cigarettes that are sold on every corner of every city in the country...
People are "scared" of something that just might help save their or a loved one's life???
I'll take the E-cig over the T-cig every time!
Isn't it amazing how people are "scared" of something that just might help people stop smoking scientifically proven to be deadly tobacco cigarettes? tobacco cigarettes that are sold on every corner of every city in the country...
People are "scared" of something that just might help save their or a loved one's life???
I'll take the E-cig over the T-cig every time!
Actually I thought that article was trash. It started off good but then just went off the deep end. She compared it to a smack kit, said it was dorky, and that you could be in for a nasty surprise if you get it on your hands since it can be transmitted transdermally. She also made the ECig Vendor sound like a underground porn shop.
I agree parts were bad ... But this is the first major article I have seen discuss vaping as vaping ... And addressed the existense of a subcolture....Just thought it was a step in the right direction .... Also saw an article saying eCigS will surpass tobacco cigs in ten years haha so who knows .
Thanks for posting imagine. Agreed at least for me it was the first one that wasn't all doom and gloom. From an outsider pov it was okay
It was a strange piece. Seems like just a collection of peoples experiences with nuances to other things.
Personally we don't know long term effects. We assume it has to better than smoking but it is too young of an industry to really say. I did find it interesting other countries have banned them. Not sure why unless they have less regulation and they are made far for them far more cheaply.
I would really love to see some actually studies done. Yeah I know it takes a ton of dinero for that.
I really don't care what Depp, Hilton or any of the others do. Heck Depp bathes once a month if that.
One thing I did notice is the savings. This has always bugged me. There could be a savings or there may not be. It could range a ton of money depending on how many packs a day vs how much one vapes. The guidelines the company give that one cart = a pack of smokes is bumpkiss. I was a pack a day smoker and the first cart I got I blew through in 15 minutes. (It wasn't an SI cart though)
It also depends on nic % and many other variables.
He should have just put a link to ECF for some good info on it.
One thing I cannot deny. This is the first time in 30 years I have went longer than 4 months without a smoke. That is a good thing in my mind. Although I do get cravings still they are easily suppressed.
Personally we don't know long term effects. We assume it has to better than smoking but it is too young of an industry to really say. I did find it interesting other countries have banned them. Not sure why unless they have less regulation and they are made far for them far more cheaply.
I would really love to see some actually studies done. Yeah I know it takes a ton of dinero for that.
I really don't care what Depp, Hilton or any of the others do. Heck Depp bathes once a month if that.
One thing I did notice is the savings. This has always bugged me. There could be a savings or there may not be. It could range a ton of money depending on how many packs a day vs how much one vapes. The guidelines the company give that one cart = a pack of smokes is bumpkiss. I was a pack a day smoker and the first cart I got I blew through in 15 minutes. (It wasn't an SI cart though)
It also depends on nic % and many other variables.He should have just put a link to ECF for some good info on it.
One thing I cannot deny. This is the first time in 30 years I have went longer than 4 months without a smoke. That is a good thing in my mind. Although I do get cravings still they are easily suppressed.
It's perspective. People fear what they don't understand. Ecigs have been banned in some countries but so far not here and hopefully won't be. I think it is better for a ecig shop to keep a low profile then to be "in your face". It's good to see articles like this... to get the information out... and with time people will begin to see the benefits of using ecigs.
It was tried I believe. I remember reading something on that. But the courts overturned it.
I mean really if they are going to allow us to consume alcoholic beverages really what can the say about smoking and vaping.
Really want the government to stay out of my life. Especially when their lives aren't any better than mine. I hope they clean up their own closest before telling me how I should clean mine. Okay okay.. sorry about that getting off topic on my views of the government I just finished a 3 day seminar which made me very grumpy.
I mean really if they are going to allow us to consume alcoholic beverages really what can the say about smoking and vaping.
Really want the government to stay out of my life. Especially when their lives aren't any better than mine. I hope they clean up their own closest before telling me how I should clean mine. Okay okay.. sorry about that getting off topic on my views of the government
I just finished a 3 day seminar which made me very grumpy.i wish they would do a test on pg vs vg,,,,it seems to me since i upped my vg,,,,i have been using my enebulizer more,,,it seems that the vg makes my lungs feel heavy or shallow,,it scares me a little.
i am going to cut the vg back to 50/50 and try that,,,,,,,,,,if that don't work,,i may have to give up vaping for good.
ya gotta remember folks that i smoked for 54 years and my lungs were pretty much crap to begin with,,when i started vaping i started to feel pretty good in my breathing,,,but the last month or more my lungs are really feeling congested and shallow,,i enebulizer i use to use once a day,but here latley i have been using it 4 or 5 times a day.......not good,,,,,,
i am going to cut the vg back to 50/50 and try that,,,,,,,,,,if that don't work,,i may have to give up vaping for good.
ya gotta remember folks that i smoked for 54 years and my lungs were pretty much crap to begin with,,when i started vaping i started to feel pretty good in my breathing,,,but the last month or more my lungs are really feeling congested and shallow,,i enebulizer i use to use once a day,but here latley i have been using it 4 or 5 times a day.......not good,,,,,,
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Im selfish.. The bottome line is, in my opinion, e-cigs will be more common than smoking unless someone screws it all up. It might get banned in the US someday. If it does not, it WILL be HEAVILY TAXED! It's just a matter of time.
I would rather stay under the radar as long as possible. When tax and regulation sets in, I will do my best to look for affordable options. If I cannot find any, I will look to try to quit altogether.
Of all the powerfull vested parties:
1 - treats anything that looks like smoking like a sin.
2 - major source of free income.
3 - Great source of revenue to falsely get ppl to quit.
4 - Looking to buy into the business to make up for lost profits of ppl quiting.
Only 2 things are certain, death and taxes. Hopefully, the HW will remain available, much like "funky" pipes. I expect the juices to be very heavily regulated and taxed at a similar rate to cigarettes, in the magnitude of 5-600% to make up for the reduction in tax revenue from smokers quiting.
The only party involved that is on our side [or has a chance to be] is the real medicine and science. However, the party funding the studies will be able to manipulate the results for many years to come.
Bottom line, we will be shafted...
I would rather stay under the radar as long as possible. When tax and regulation sets in, I will do my best to look for affordable options. If I cannot find any, I will look to try to quit altogether.
Of all the powerfull vested parties:
1 - treats anything that looks like smoking like a sin.
2 - major source of free income.
3 - Great source of revenue to falsely get ppl to quit.
4 - Looking to buy into the business to make up for lost profits of ppl quiting.
Only 2 things are certain, death and taxes. Hopefully, the HW will remain available, much like "funky" pipes. I expect the juices to be very heavily regulated and taxed at a similar rate to cigarettes, in the magnitude of 5-600% to make up for the reduction in tax revenue from smokers quiting.
The only party involved that is on our side [or has a chance to be] is the real medicine and science. However, the party funding the studies will be able to manipulate the results for many years to come.
Bottom line, we will be shafted...
i wish they would do a test on pg vs vg,,,,it seems to me since i upped my vg,,,,i have been using my enebulizer more,,,it seems that the vg makes my lungs feel heavy or shallow,,it scares me a little.
i am going to cut the vg back to 50/50 and try that,,,,,,,,,,if that don't work,,i may have to give up vaping for good.
ya gotta remember folks that i smoked for 54 years and my lungs were pretty much crap to begin with,,when i started vaping i started to feel pretty good in my breathing,,,but the last month or more my lungs are really feeling congested and shallow,,i enebulizer i use to use once a day,but here latley i have been using it 4 or 5 times a day.......not good,,,,,,
Maybe you should cut way back on the vg. Maybe 20-30vg? I've read elsewhere under the ECF health threads that the heaviness in the chest can be caused by vg. If I find the thread I will post here. Hope things clear up for you.
This is the link to ECF Health Forum. There are a lot of threads about vg and chest heaviness.
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/health-medical-issues/
Hope you can find some answers here before seeing your doctor.
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Why do I get the feeling the author of this article felt "dirty" just by going NEAR vapers? The article should've been called "I'm Bugging Out."
And yes, if vaping gets legitimized scientifically enough for taxes.. those taxes are going to send prices through the roof. The days of many vendors will end, due to the cost of complying with government regulations.
And yes, if vaping gets legitimized scientifically enough for taxes.. those taxes are going to send prices through the roof. The days of many vendors will end, due to the cost of complying with government regulations.
i wish they would do a test on pg vs vg,,,,it seems to me since i upped my vg,,,,i have been using my enebulizer more,,,it seems that the vg makes my lungs feel heavy or shallow,,it scares me a little.
i am going to cut the vg back to 50/50 and try that,,,,,,,,,,if that don't work,,i may have to give up vaping for good.
ya gotta remember folks that i smoked for 54 years and my lungs were pretty much crap to begin with,,when i started vaping i started to feel pretty good in my breathing,,,but the last month or more my lungs are really feeling congested and shallow,,i enebulizer i use to use once a day,but here latley i have been using it 4 or 5 times a day.......not good,,,,,,
I use 80/20 PG/VG. I like lots of vapor, but 20%VG seems enough, and high VG seems to be thicker and cause more problems with cartos in general. In your case, less VG might help your lungs too. Hang in there.
The only thing the government could possibly tax would be the actual hardware,,,,,,and the nic base. I'd just go nic free and buy VG, PG and flavoring (also used for cooking). I already DIY, and the nic is nothing to me,,,,,,,I could drop it in an instant. The hardware isn't a continuous purchase, so a tax wouldn't break me (although I wouldn't like it) but I REFUSE to pay taxes on the nic,,,,,absolutely REFUSE. I'd go nic free if necessary.
So you think if e cigs get legitimized as a smoking cessation device it would end up being taxed heavily? I don't think it would. I do think some regulating would happen. But for the government to tax the most successful smoking cessation device ever would really be a step backwards.
If it is legitimized as a smoking cessation device, it would overturn a court ruling saying it is tobacco. The FDA would imediately ban all forms of e-cigs, until such time as companies can follow the procedure to have these devices approved. This would take years to get through testing, and paperwork. E-cigs would effectively be outlawed. All the small shops would go out of business, and only the big companies could follow FDA rules. We would have a totally different industry, and for most of us, end e-cigs as we know it. We would have some recourse, but it would be based on our stock piles, and grey area.
If it is regulated by congress or by the ATF [alcohol, tobacco & firearms] of the executive branch, we would see alotta controls put into place, and subsequent taxation that is insane.
We can only hope that politicians & beaurocrats move slowly, and take another year or 3 to approve anything. Its not a matter of "if", but a matter of "when". The only thing I can guarantee is that we will not like it.
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Given court precident, with the FDA failing to ban ecigs, unless congress steps in and passes a law, the court finding is that e-cigs fall under tobacco, and can be regulated by the ATF. Much like the "funny" pipes, the hardware may have a chance at going unscathed. Most likely, juices would be the target of taxation. However, since some can have no tobacco, my guess is that the juice with 0 nic might be excluded from tax. This gives us a sliver of hope to buy nic separately in very high %, and dilute ourselves for a while.
If things pan out the way I expect, I will stock up on HW for a year's supply, a year's supply of juices, and hope for the best.
[sorry, I'm a cynic... aka a disappointed idealist.]
If things pan out the way I expect, I will stock up on HW for a year's supply, a year's supply of juices, and hope for the best.
[sorry, I'm a cynic... aka a disappointed idealist.]
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