Opinion: Here's why you don't have my business

[Kevin Freeheart]

I thought I would offer a friendly criticism to suppliers on this forum.

You have a community here who is, to the average person, insane. Really? How can you possibly care that much about an alternative to smoking.

I've searched. There are threads about Nicoderm and Nicorette, but no devoted communities.

Which is a really good thing for your business model. You've got members of this community advertising your product in their signatures, in hundreds upon hundreds of posts.

To some of you, your product has been sold to my by word of mouth. Some of you have ONE reason why I don't buy your product and here it is...

You don't offer 36/mg.

I've tried 24 and it doesn't work. Still, I'm REALLY really tempted to buy your juice, but I know that if I do and vape it, I will want something else more.

Suppliers, PLEASE add 36/mg to your rotation. I know I have eliminated suppliers from my potential list (and even built a "when I'm at 24" list) and I can't think that I'm the only one.

Here's hoping that the trend of constructive customer feedback begetting better products continues!

 

[Sdh]

I am with you on this one....omg...I ordered some 24mg with last order....will be going back to 36mg. I am lucky I have some 36mg stashed. So yes vendors....listen to us...we need 36mg....

 

[NCC]

I have to agree with the OP on the 36mg. Although, I recently bought some 30mg after reading glowing descriptions of the juice from customers, I would've preferred 36. Less than that is a negative factor in the purchase decision.

OK, that was simply an agreement and not really contributing to the thread. I'll come back if I think of another factor which drives my business away, LOL.

 

[firhill]

Keep some 100mg unfl. nic juice handy and add 5ml to your 30ml bottle of 24mg.
Order the 24mg in double/extra flavour if worried about losing some flavour strength with the small dilution.

or

Order bulk/wholesale from China, though you run the risk (instead of the US provider) of any customs issues.



ETA: Here's a supplier that offers 150ml of 32mg strength for $25. You can add 2ml of the 100mg nic to kick it up to 36mg if need be.

 

[NCC]

@firhill: I don't know about the OP's DIY experience. But, I know how to up the nic and I have 100mg on hand. That's really beside the point of the OP's thread though, don't you think?

 

[Uma]

I'm on the other end of the same rope. I like to buy 0-mg of the same flavor that I buy the mg flavor in so that I can dilute without loosing flavor when the need arises. Some flavors I just prefer in 0-mg too, like during chain vaping sessions at the pc.

Also, if you sell a pv, please sell all the goodies that go with it. My favorite stores do that.

 

[Kevin Freeheart]

I don't know about the OP's DIY experience. But, I know how to up the nic and I have 100mg on hand. That's really beside the point of the OP's thread though, don't you think?

I've done DIY. I don't mind mixing my own or concocting juices, but if I felt like measuring out nicotine to get it just where I am at, I wouldn't be paying shipping and the cost of the vendor's labor.

If I am going to be mixing my own juices, I might as well do that. I pay what I do for the convenience of not having to do that.

 

[TypeOholic]

I'm not arguing the point here because I believe that customers making requests like this helps vendors decide what they should stock. However, I just want to point something out.

A lot of the vendors for supplies are "Mom and POP" businesses. Meaning, it is 1 person or a family running the business. In most situations like that, demand predicates stock. If a vendor gets 1 order a month for 36 MG juice and 20 orders for 24 MG, they will stock 24 MG. They may not have the money to stock, and then sit on, a perishable product that may not sell.

Another point is the fact that some vendors that sell pre-made juice don't have an easy option to get 36 MG juice. I was just reading a post about dekang juice that mentioned that the highest juice they normally supply is 24 MG. If you need higher than that, you have to order a big amount and they will make it for you. This brings me back to the fact that many vendors may not have the cash on hand, or desire to order 1000 bottles of 36 MG juice that may or may not sell.

I would imagine that most of the USA made juice vendors would make you 36 MG juice if you asked for it and bought enough to make it worth their time. For vendors that make the juice themselves, they have a lot more options for giving you what you want. If you make a reasonable request for a quantity of 36 MG juice, they would probably make it for you.

 

[NCC]

@TypeOholic: You make valid points. But, the question is ... would a person such as myself, or the OP, simply move on to another supplier if the highest nic on the dropdown list was 24mg? In my case, the answer is yes.

Maybe even a quicker exit would be those who don't specify nic, but give descriptors like 0, Low, Medium, High,, and Extra High.

 

[firhill]

@firhill: I don't know about the OP's DIY experience. But, I know how to up the nic and I have 100mg on hand. That's really beside the point of the OP's thread though, don't you think?

Yes,I was just trying to offer an alternative.

A more direct response is that since not every supplier carries every item, (be it flavours and/or strength of liquids to different models and their accessories of e-cig), the OP, in my opinion, is being unreasonable to expect such.

I believe most of the members of this forum don't use one specific vendor for that exact reason. I think they understand it's just not feasible for a vendor to stock every strength of liquid, in every flavour.

I've done DIY. I don't mind mixing my own or concocting juices, but if I felt like measuring out nicotine to get it just where I am at, I wouldn't be paying shipping and the cost of the vendor's labor.

If I am going to be mixing my own juices, I might as well do that. I pay what I do for the convenience of not having to do that.

I agree. I weigh up the same options and make do with what's available. If I find a supplier that sells the flavour I like in the strength I want, pre-mixed, I'll buy it..if not I have to mix it myself as I don't expect all vendors to sell 8mg pre-mixed.

 

[Jimi Mack]

Try Tasty Vapor, their juice goes up to 48mg. And if you are doing your "research" you would also know they are one of the highest rated vendors for juice. Really. they are worth you time and effort.

 

[Big Hit]

The last time I wanted nic juice I ordered 100 mg/ml.
I like making my own flavored juice and a high nic content will allow you more versatility.

 

[DaveP]

I started at 24mg and worked my way down to 18mg when I bought my first Mega cylinder type B atty. 36mg would vape me into a serious nic buzz (not in a good way). I like a juice that I can hit frequently to curb my analog crave and less frequently to maintain.

Taste makes me want more. 36mg would prevent me from enjoying the experience.

I have heard comments from some that some suppliers cut the nic content with unflavored PG and/or VG to get the nic level down. I'd look for a supplier who mixes the product from different recipes to achieve the correct mix of flavor and nic levels. Lately my favorite supplier is Don at Backwoods Brew. His is the best juice I've encountered.

 

[Kevin Freeheart]

Try Tasty Vapor, their juice goes up to 48mg. And if you are doing your "research" you would also know they are one of the highest rated vendors for juice. Really. they are worth you time and effort.

I have been a Tasty Vapor customer. I'm actually currently vaping a mix of something that has Atomic Cinnicide in it. I'm not saying that all vendors neglect me, but some of the ones I hear great things about do.

I was really disappointed to go to Backwoods Brew and see they stopped at 24. I was planning on ordering some 36/mg Malty Toffee but they didn't have it.

Taste makes me want more. 36mg would prevent me from enjoying the experience.

Taste is what makes vaping better than smoking for me. The nicotine is why it's a choice between the two. But I don't think what you said is in any way counter to what I just said. I chain vape 36/mg.

A lot of the vendors for supplies are "Mom and POP" businesses. Meaning, it is 1 person or a family running the business. In most situations like that, demand predicates stock. If a vendor gets 1 order a month for 36 MG juice and 20 orders for 24 MG, they will stock 24 MG. They may not have the money to stock, and then sit on, a perishable product that may not sell.

Yeah, that's true. And if that's their model, cool.

But most of the places that I'm really interesting in ordering from claim to mix-on-demand. It would seem to me that they could stock and sell pretty much any reasonable level of nicotine in their juices, since 36 would be mixed just like 18 would be.

If they don't want to, or feel they can't get their level of awesomeness in 36, cool. More power to them. But I HAVE left places that didn't stock 36.

 

[btngchck]

Just a thought....

VaporBomb goes as high as 30mg. They also make it to order. Have you tried asking VB to make you some 36mg juice? It couldn't hurt and their juice is phenomenal. Awesome flavor with excellent vapor.

 

[r8ross]

Ask and you shall receive! Vapors Etc. now offering 36 mg/ml.

 

[FreeFlow]

Have you thought about contacting any of these vendors and requesting 36mg (special order) I would think some of the smaller vendors might do this.

 

[TypeOholic]

But most of the places that I'm really interesting in ordering from claim to mix-on-demand. It would seem to me that they could stock and sell pretty much any reasonable level of nicotine in their juices, since 36 would be mixed just like 18 would be.

If they don't want to, or feel they can't get their level of awesomeness in 36, cool. More power to them. But I HAVE left places that didn't stock 36.

For the mix-on-demand places, I agree. They should have the 36 MG option in their drop down or menu so you have the option to order it. For those that don't have the option, you may still be able to request it though. I know that defeats the point of your original post but it could get you the juice that you want.

 

[Kevin Freeheart]

Ask and you shall receive! Vapors Etc. now offering 36 mg/ml.

And you have banana creme as the flavor of the week... hrm...

 

[fjames]

Funny how people are obsessing on 36mg, when the real issue is the user wanting the nic level they want. When I'm checking out a supplier, I go straight to nic level and then price. If they're not both what I want, I move on. For me, since I want a 18-20 nic level, price is usually what sends me packing ... it's weird how expensive some places are.

I ordered a sample pack from vapor station and they have 35mg if it hasn't been noted here yet. I figure if I like it I can either live with 16mg or combine 16 and 24 to get my 20.