OPINION NEEDED: Upgrade from DNA20 to DNA30? Worth it or being selfish/stupid?

[Phone Guy]

I need some advice. I currently have a DNA20 Futura mod, which I love.... it and my Semovar in Hybrid mode with my KF31.

I'm considering buying a DNA30 Wizard Apprentice 2 tube mod. I've watch several youtube reviews, and just about all of them have the same complaints... the finish doesn't match anything, since its kind of a matte silver (not the common brushed/polished), I don't know if the finish is painted or what..... But the finish is a complaint (from the youtube reviewers) and that the mod is 21mm diameter, so most of the atomizers overhang .5mm all the way around. He (Mark Bugs) is going to release his own 21mm hybrid atomizer sometime in the future, which may or may not be something I would buy (or could afford). If its a Genesis style, I'm out.... and it will depend on the atty system and the price....

Make no mistake, I'm not the type of guy who can drop $350 for a mod on a whim... that's a big vape purchase for me. Like many of you out there, its far from an impulse buy.

Whats the opinion or consensus about upgrading from a DNA20 to DNA30?

One of the nicest things about my Futura is the durable cerakote. It doesnt scratch easily at all... its not indestructible but it is durable. and the finish of the wizard (and its 21mm size) is one of the only complaints from the video reviewers online.

Speak up. I'd appreciate the feedback.

 

[Mackoy 09]

Im also deciding on getting one. I really like how it looks and the only thing (besides the price >.20w. When using kayfuns though, I dont see any reason to upgrade from DNA 20 to 30 IMHO. So that would depend on your vaping style and needs. I drip at home and use RTAs when outside, so my VS suits my needs. I am considering the WEA because I want a tube DNA mod, I have an evic but barely touch it since I got the VS. Also considered the evic supreme but its size just doesnt appeal to me. Looking forward for more responses, I have 3 more days to decide.


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[SINphul]

After collecting a Provari and a Dani, I too was eyeing the DNA30 mods for my next acquisition. But after reading about some of the issues/deficiencies of the DNA30, the drought of availability due to high demand, many with shoddy craftsmanship or customer service, and the fact that I didn't really prefer the look of most of them, I decided to finally try my hand at mech mods.

I have to say, there are some beautiful ones out there, and plenty of options to choose from. I really liked the Nemesis, and now I've got a Mirandus on the way

As for your conundrum, unless you absolutely need the extra 10 watts, I'd hold off a bit and see what the landscape looks like in a few months. Provape is clearly going to release something in the near future (hopefully), which could be another game changer. Also, once Evolv catches up with their DNA30 backlog, I'm sure there will be some newer, better players in the DNA scene that would be worth looking at. As for the Wizard, that 21mm diameter is an instant no-buy in my mind. I can deal with atomizer underhang, but not overhang.

 

[Papajohns]

I have been using the Segelei 20w. I have found that I like running between 15-17 watts through a coil for best results, so it's perfect for single coil drippers. But, if I wanted to run a dual coil, I would need 30-35 watts for the same results, over the limit of the DNA 30. Ill wait for the DNA 40 so I can have some head room for pushing dual coils.

 

[PeteC2]

Phone Guy, I dunno. Will this mod perform significantly better than your Futura? It appears to be at best a minor upgrade/update for a hefty piece of change.

The springless bottom cap and "engineered gap" to adjust the Wizard to slightly differing battery lengths leaves me flat...particularly in a $350 mod! (No, I own neither of these, and aside of you tube videos have only seen the Futura in person)

Keep in mind that a battery spring in a tube mod actually affords some protection in case of a hard drop.

IMHO, you will be getting 10 watts of additional power (being only a fairly subtle vaping advantage btw)

I do not know about either mod (other than the Futura being US manufactured by nextgen) is what is the available support?

I would hope (and demand!) that a mod of this price has solid customer service should it be required.

Can you get an opportunity to see one in person? I would not even consider dropping $350 on a mod based on reviews or videos alone.

 

[MrPlink]

Do you vape anything else near 30w?

Do you vape at 20w and feel lacking?

Are you a responsible adult that will not be neglecting any responsibilities by purchasing a Dna30 mod?

If you answered yes to any of the following then I would say you are GTG

 

[blueGrassTubb]

As for your conundrum, unless you absolutely need the extra 10 watts, I'd hold off a bit and see what the landscape looks like in a few months.

Agreed.

The DNA30 has, technologically speaking, been surpassed. There are many chips on the market which are more advanced at this point.

 

[blueGrassTubb]

I have been using the Segelei 20w. I have found that I like running between 15-17 watts through a coil for best results, so it's perfect for single coil drippers. But, if I wanted to run a dual coil, I would need 30-35 watts for the same results, over the limit of the DNA 30. Ill wait for the DNA 40 so I can have some head room for pushing dual coils.

If Evolv opts for a simple 10W upgrade, they will be left in the history books.

They better come with at least 50W, step-down circuitry, and polarity protection (at minimum) if they want to remain relevant.

 

[gtalpaz]

The DNA20 to 30 is largely evolutionary - you'll get an improvement, especially if you vape at higher wattage (I do for RDAs but not for RBAs). Personally, I would save the dollars for a more substantial upgrade such as the GI2 or something else of the sort. But that's just personal preference - I have a handful of DNA30 devices but don't know that I would upgrade to something like a DNA40 if/when that comes out.

 

[blueGrassTubb]

I have a handful of DNA30 devices but don't know that I would upgrade to something like a DNA40 if/when that comes out.

Ditto if the upgrade is just another wattage bump.

 

[Mackoy 09]

IMHO developing a higher wattage chip is not that difficult, its the longevity of the battery to supply power to these chips. Why would you buy a high power mod if you can only use it for half an hour or less? I myself dont like changing or charging batteries every after 30 mins of vaping. I feel that the DNA 30 is already a power hog at higher power settings not even maxing it out, I only vape 25w max on an RDA. So unless a higher mah, high drain battery is developed I am happy with DNA30.


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[blueGrassTubb]

IMHO developing a higher wattage chip is not that difficult, its the longevity of the battery to supply power to these chips. Why would you buy a high power mod if you can only use it for half an hour or less? I myself dont like changing or charging batteries every after 30 mins of vaping. I feel that the DNA 30 is already a power hog at higher power settings not even maxing it out, I only vape 25w max on an RDA. So unless a higher mah, high drain battery is developed I am happy with DNA30.


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There are small time modders who are using 6000mah+ batteries right now. Longevity isn't the real problem, it's the insistence on people wanting to take the batteries out and charge them themselves.

When people finally give themselves over to having LiPos that may need to be sent back in order to be changed or modders start using easily removed LiPos via clip connections of one sort or another so that they can be periodically changed when they no longer hold a good charge, the barriers will be broken.

 

[Completely Average]

There are small time modders who are using 6000mah+ batteries right now. Longevity isn't the real problem, it's the insistence on people wanting to take the batteries out and charge them themselves.

That's not the problem. The problem is people don't want to spend $100+ on a device with a non-replacable battery. $100+ is a bit much to ask for a disposable ecig.

When people finally give themselves over to having LiPos that may need to be sent back in order to be changed or modders start using easily removed LiPos via clip connections of one sort or another so that they can be periodically changed when they no longer hold a good charge, the barriers will be broken.

The second part is what it's going to take for those barriers to be broken.

Offer me a battery pack like a cell phone that I can pop out and replace if it stops holding a charge and I'm sold. Try to sell me the device for $100 with a battery pack that cannot be easily and cheaply replaced and I'll just buy someone elses mod who offers that. I'm not paying $100+ knowing that when the battery dies the mod is going in the trash.

 

[edyle]

I need some advice. I currently have a DNA20 Futura mod, which I love.... it and my Semovar in Hybrid mode with my KF31.

I'm considering buying a DNA30 Wizard Apprentice 2 tube mod. I've watch several youtube reviews, and just about all of them have the same complaints... the finish doesn't match anything, since its kind of a matte silver (not the common brushed/polished), I don't know if the finish is painted or what..... But the finish is a complaint (from the youtube reviewers) and that the mod is 21mm diameter, so most of the atomizers overhang .5mm all the way around. He (Mark Bugs) is going to release his own 21mm hybrid atomizer sometime in the future, which may or may not be something I would buy (or could afford). If its a Genesis style, I'm out.... and it will depend on the atty system and the price....

Make no mistake, I'm not the type of guy who can drop $350 for a mod on a whim... that's a big vape purchase for me. Like many of you out there, its far from an impulse buy.

Whats the opinion or consensus about upgrading from a DNA20 to DNA30?

One of the nicest things about my Futura is the durable cerakote. It doesnt scratch easily at all... its not indestructible but it is durable. and the finish of the wizard (and its 21mm size) is one of the only complaints from the video reviewers online.

Speak up. I'd appreciate the feedback.

I don't understand; all you talk about is finishing matte silver cerakote brushed polish etc.
What about watts? No mention of watts? If you don't go over 10 watts, then there wouldn't be any point spending on a dna30 when you already have a dna20. But if you sometimes get up to 15 watts then yes, a bit more headroom would be usefull.

 

[blueGrassTubb]

That's not the problem. The problem is people don't want to spend $100+ on a device with a non-replacable battery. $100+ is a bit much to ask for a disposable ecig.





The second part is what it's going to take for those barriers to be broken.

Offer me a battery pack like a cell phone that I can pop out and replace if it stops holding a charge and I'm sold. Try to sell me the device for $100 with a battery pack that cannot be easily and cheaply replaced and I'll just buy someone elses mod who offers that. I'm not paying $100+ knowing that when the battery dies the mod is going in the trash.

I'm perfectly okay with having to send a unit back in order to have a battery changed, so long as the change is free (though you'd still have to pay for the battery). Most of us who are using regulated MODs have multiple vaporizers, and to live without one for a week or so every couple of years doesn't seem unreasonable. I'm currently making a MOD and I can tell you that, for the most part, clips simply aren't possible if we want to have the form factors we currently have. We'll have to opt for larger boxes, and larger isn't where most of us want to go. We want our boxes small so we can carry them with us easily. In a small box, space is at a premium because most people insist on having as much battery as the case will hold, and clips take up valuable real estate.

Users need to make compromises too.

Small form factor. Long battery life. Easily changed battery.

You can have 2 of those three in the smaller MODs, but most likely not all three.

If you want clips, you'll likely have to settle for a box that isn't carrying as much battery as it otherwise could. Clips take up space, and there isn't that much space inside these boxes to begin with.

 

[Completely Average]

I'm currently making a MOD and I can tell you that, for the most part, clips simply aren't possible if we want to have the form factors we currently have.

Why not?

My Samsung Galaxy has a battery pack that clips in. I doubt you're going to get a smaller form factor than that. If you want to use a plug instead then even a wired battery pack with a plug shouldn't require anymore than a 2cm plug and that could be made to plug straight into the PCB which would eliminate virtually all excess wire and space.

 

[blueGrassTubb]

Why not?

My Samsung Galaxy has a battery pack that clips in. I doubt you're going to get a smaller form factor than that. If you want to use a plug instead then even a wired battery pack with a plug shouldn't require anymore than a 2cm plug and that could be made to plug straight into the PCB which would eliminate virtually all excess wire and space.

What is the mah rating of that Samsung battery? How many amps can it pull? The more power you want, the bigger the battery must be, and I can guarantee that one of those batteries can't safely handle powering a vaporizer.

I can guarantee that battery technology is not where you think it is.

 

[Rossum]

There are many chips on the market which are more advanced at this point.

Many? Really? The only ones I'm aware of are the somewhat gimmicky Yihi SX series. What else is there?

 

[Phone Guy]

The only other 30w device is consider is the eVic supreme. I don't think I could deal with the sx3x0 chips and that gravity tilt crap.

I vape between 15 and 20 watts right now...but I can't go beyond that. I'd like to be able to vape lowers ohms... my current DNA20 goes to .8 or .7 I think? I've done some drippers on my mech's at .3 ...

To directly answer, I don't need to upgrade, I want to
Why? I dunno, I have that must buy new shiny things disease.

 

[blueGrassTubb]

Many? Really? The only ones I'm aware of are the somewhat gimmicky Yihi SX series. What else is there?

OKC-T10, Raptor, JIB (a small market chip in Oz) . . .

All of them do more than the DNA30, and these are just the ones that I could think of off the top of my head in 3 seconds.