It's amazing how people who have never used a particular device swear they'd never be able to use it.
OPINION NEEDED: Upgrade from DNA20 to DNA30? Worth it or being selfish/stupid?
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It's amazing how people who have never used a particular device swear they'd never be able to use it.
Not a fan of tilt switch myself, and single buttons. Reason I dont own a provari & mods with the tilt chip. Not saying it works like crap, just doesnt work for me. To each their own I guess. You like beemers, I like benzes.
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Got some links? Google doesn't turn up much on any of these. All I've been able to find are mods that use generic DC-DC converters.
Yeah. This guy has been talking out of his rear every post I read that he's replied to. It seems I have to educate him. The OKR, or Raptor chip is great for sub ohms, but it's still a 3-6 volt regulator. It's only when you take it down to sub-ohms does it shine.
"Somewhat gimmicky?"
There's nothing gimmicky about tilt controls. And it has capabilities that the DNA chips don't. Step-down circuitry, reverse polarity protection, etc.
The SX350 is a very good chip. Nothing gimmicky about it.
While I've never used the tilt system, I just dont think it would suit me personally, plus I've read and seen video reviews where people complain about the length of time it takes to make large adjustments (15 to 30 watts for example).
Now, if I had a chance to play around with one, maybe it wouldn't be bad? I dunno to be honest.... what I do know is the evis supreme has an adjustment click wheel, it may suffer from its own setbacks? Plus I like the idea of a replaceable 510 connector, however if the 510 is made of stainless steel - that really shouldn't matter anyways.
The feedback from all the listed chips have been overwhelmingly positive (dna30, sx350, evic supreme, okr, raptop). All have pro's and con's I suppose.
Now, if I had a chance to play around with one, maybe it wouldn't be bad? I dunno to be honest.... what I do know is the evis supreme has an adjustment click wheel, it may suffer from its own setbacks? Plus I like the idea of a replaceable 510 connector, however if the 510 is made of stainless steel - that really shouldn't matter anyways.
The feedback from all the listed chips have been overwhelmingly positive (dna30, sx350, evic supreme, okr, raptop). All have pro's and con's I suppose.
Whether tilt controls are gimmicky is a matter of subjective opinion. I don't care for them. I much prefer a simple up/down rocker switch like this. Why anyone would prefer to wave their mod around to adjust it is beyond me.
That said, other than the tilt controls, the SX350 does look like a very good chip.
But you said there were "many". So how about some others? Oh and generic DC-DC converters don't count.
Whether tilt controls are gimmicky is a matter of subjective opinion. I don't care for them. I much prefer a simple up/down rocker switch like this. Why anyone would prefer to wave their mod around to adjust it is beyond me.
That said, other than the tilt controls, the SX350 does look like a very good chip.
But you said there were "many". So how about some others? Oh and generic DC-DC converters don't count.
I used to think it was a gimmick too at first, but it looks like it's a solution to the one-button problem.
You get the advantage of a one button mod (less buttons to fail)
But you dont have to click-and-wait to select.
While 90% of my vaping is single coil .9-1.2ohm at 16-20w, I like the option to fire a .5-.8 if I feel the need to, and when I feel like I need 22 watts I just need 22 watts, I'm happy with the 30's I own. That said I have a second batch Gi2 on preorder, looking forward to more duals and quads with that.
Gravity sensors are in just about every device we have. Our cars, our phones, iPads, etc. This is a fleshed out technology.
My issue with a gravity sensor, I don't think I want it in my PV mod.... I've never used one, so I am kind of slamming it without trying it. None of my local vape stores have any of the sx chip mods that I know of yet.... I'm sure they're coming. I know for a fact one of them is getting the evic supreme.... which may not perform as well as it claims, like the previous evic? I don't know. But I did like the interface on my older original evic, even the swivel ring which had an auto advance mode (click it 3 times and it kept going until you clicked again)...
I will say I know someone with an Opus D dna20, which has a dial for the voltage adjustment instead of the 2 buttons, and thats awesome.... you can instantly go from max 20w to min 7w in a blink of an eye with that little twisty knob...
I will say I know someone with an Opus D dna20, which has a dial for the voltage adjustment instead of the 2 buttons, and thats awesome.... you can instantly go from max 20w to min 7w in a blink of an eye with that little twisty knob...
My issue with a gravity sensor, I don't think I want it in my PV mod.... I've never used one, so I am kind of slamming it without trying it. None of my local vape stores have any of the sx chip mods that I know of yet.... I'm sure they're coming. I know for a fact one of them is getting the evic supreme.... which may not perform as well as it claims, like the previous evic? I don't know. But I did like the interface on my older original evic, even the swivel ring which had an auto advance mode (click it 3 times and it kept going until you clicked again)...
I will say I know someone with an Opus D dna20, which has a dial for the voltage adjustment instead of the 2 buttons, and thats awesome.... you can instantly go from max 20w to min 7w in a blink of an eye with that little twisty knob...
A wheel is nice, but only if it doesn't turn too easily.
Here is a uick demonstration of how the SX200 tilt control works (the SX350 works identically, except it has more menu options and they are in a slightly different order. It's quite easy and intuitive. It's not the crazy shake, rattle, and roll that the Sigelei Legend was.
Five clicks to get into the menu system. Then another click to adjust power. Then move the mod around to actually make adjustments. I suppose people upgrading from Provaris might find that acceptable, but current DNA owners won't.
That said, I do like the real-time battery voltage display on the SX series. I also like the fact that it shows you the voltage it expects to fire at (a DNA only shows firing voltage when it's actually firing) and that the software us updateable. However, I gotta wonder about what bloatware school of programming they went to when it's necessary to download 40 megabytes worth of stuff before you can use your PC to dump new software into the device.
That said, I do like the real-time battery voltage display on the SX series. I also like the fact that it shows you the voltage it expects to fire at (a DNA only shows firing voltage when it's actually firing) and that the software us updateable. However, I gotta wonder about what bloatware school of programming they went to when it's necessary to download 40 megabytes worth of stuff before you can use your PC to dump new software into the device.
I wonder if DNA users will find it acceptable to fry their battery because they put it in backwards or if they find it acceptable that their chip can't step down the voltage. There are tradeoffs with everything. And how often do users switch wattages that one needs to be ultra-concerned with a handful of clicks?
Either way, apparently YiHi is in the process of another update that will free up modders to include buttons instead of the tilt function. It's rumored that in another update to be out soon enough that the wattage will be updated to 50W.
Meh, I have three DNA mods; I don't remove the batteries; I charge them by plugging micro-USB cables into the mods.
I do have a couple of mechanical mods that don't have built-in chargers. I have yet to to put a battery in one (or the separate charger that I grudgingly bought) backwards.
I don't see an issue with that either, perhaps because I don't understand why anyone would want to vape a low-ohm coil at low wattage.
Yes there are. And one of them is price. Right now a Made-in-China SX-350 costs double what a Made-in-USA DNA costs.
Depends on the user. Some do a lot, some hardly ever. Knowing what kind of user a person is might have predictive effect on whether they'll put up with having to click-click-click-click-click-wait-click before they can adjust power.
Yep, sounds like they're listening. And I'll give them a bit of advice: Simply being able to use buttons (or a toggle or wheel control) in place of the accelerometers is almost not worth doing if the user still has to click-click-click-click-click-wait-click before he can adjust power.
Most of the time most users don't insert the battery backwards. I never have either. But if you read through the forums, you'll see that it does happen, and regularly enough that not including it is a great oversight. And when it does happen, you fry your device. I'd hate to fry my new $250 Hana (or what-have-you) because of an oversight or a simple mistake.
It's not just low Ω coils at low watts. You can't fire a 1.5Ω coil at 7 watts without step down circuitry. It simply isn't possible. In order to vape at 7W, and plenty of people want to vape at 7W, you need to be using a 2.3Ω coil or higher. That's well above what most people vape with unless they're still using heads in a Pro Tank or some such.
Not sure where you're looking at SX350 prices. I paid $63 for my SX350 chips, and that includes the USB board already attached.
Either way, an even bigger factor than price is availability. I can get a SX350 right now from a handful of vendors, and I'd have to search for days to MAYBE have the chance at getting a DNA30 chip. Maybe. I have seen them available in the last month exactly once, and that was a modder on eBay selling off his stock because he opted for the SX350 in its place.
True enough. But then there's the argument that I'd hate to find that my wattage has changed because I leaned the wrong way and a button was pressing. That's how you fry wicks.
Yep, sounds like they're listening. And I'll give them a bit of advice: Simply being able to use buttons (or a toggle or wheel control) in place of the accelerometers is almost not worth doing if the user still has to click-click-click-click-click-wait-click before he can adjust power.
I would think that if they enable button functionality they would allow simply pressing the buttons rather than navigating menus.
But it also seems that you're grossly overestimating the amount of time and energy it takes to adjust the wattage. I can adjust my wattage in a couple of seconds. Just as with the DNA, the biggest chunk of time is with watching the wattage change. It isn't as if there is some kind of waiting period I have to wait after clicking to get in the menu system. The difference between using the DNA buttons and the tilt function on an SX chip is likely about 2-3 seconds. It's not as if it takes 10 seconds just to get to the menu. One can do it in less than 1 second by simply clicking 6 times.
I understand the theory of the efficiency argument, but the difference in efficiency we're talking about is measured in a couple of seconds. It's not like the Provari where there are all manner of clicking one has to do in order to do anything at all. That difference is also made up, to some people, by the streamlining of the device. Two fewer buttons are two fewer parts to fail, and a button is far more likely to fail than a gyroscope. It also minimizes the aesthetics too. Some simply like the idea of there being as few interruptions in the design as possible.
Updates are great but I wouldn't download anything to do with a china device.
I change my settings way too often to deal with anything other than one button for up and one for down.
Again, do buttons on say, DNA mods really fail that often to justify a tilt sensor? Not in my experience.
Just about every device we have?, lol. Are we really comparing the components of a $100 mod to what comes in a car or an ipad? Fleshed out technology compared to a button?
I change my settings way too often to deal with anything other than one button for up and one for down.
Again, do buttons on say, DNA mods really fail that often to justify a tilt sensor? Not in my experience.
Just about every device we have?, lol. Are we really comparing the components of a $100 mod to what comes in a car or an ipad? Fleshed out technology compared to a button?
That's a personal choice that has nothing to do with the chip itself.
I'm sure some people do. Most, however, probably don't change their wattage that much at all. I don't unless I change atties.
I wasn't aware that a gyroscopic sensor had to be justified. It's simply another way of doing the same job.
When the technology is the same, why shouldn't comparisons be made? And the technology is the same.
I never implied that the button isn't fleshed out technology, but was refuting the idea that gyroscopes are some new fangled idea with no history of use. They're is most if the fancy things we buy. Either way, a button is mechanical, and anything mechanical is subject to failure, especially something that is used often. I've never had a gyroscope fail in any of my iPhones, but currently my button is on the fritz. And that's a button I use little.
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There is a difference between technology and functionality though.
Are gyroscopes well fleshed out? Sure.
But are they a good interface for menu selections? I'm not convinced.
You tell me, would you prefer to tilt your phone to scroll through the menus on your iPhone, or would you rather use a button (touchscreen). My Galaxy lets me pick either, and I always use the touchscreen and disable the Tilt function.
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