Opinion's wanted, e-cigs and the unconscious mind.

[JebGipson]

If I may quote an e-mail from a friend, I would like everyones thoughts on this.

"Is it "normal" for the sub-consious mind to begin "rejecting" the use of the e-cigarette? I find that my "mind" attempts to draw on it too hard, it seems to be attempting to get the "harshness" that actual cigarettes have on the exhale. I "hear" this "tiny voice" that say, "SEE! This isn't WORKING!!!" when there is no "steam" on the exhale. Is that "why" you began putting drops directly on the "heating" element? I've also noticed that I will occasionally take a long, slow drag that seems to "burn" as the steam goes into my lungs. It kinda hurts, but there is nothing on the exhale. What's your opinion about this?"

My opinion is that yes the unconscious mind does attempt to do so but his problem is the same problem I had with the Joye306... cartridges for that model suck... great beginner e-cig though! but I drip for extra flavor and throat hit but most of all because refilling the carts is a waste of time. I get 2-3 drops in there even with the teabag mod! And it never wicks very well, so I took out the cart and just use the mouthpiece as I drip directly onto the attie.

 

[Ryle]

I don't even bother with the mouthpiece anymore (510) I just tailpipe it lol.. less effort. But I'd agree with the subconscious pushing for the harshness/throat hit from analogs, that's why I tailpipe with 36mg, it satisfies that part of the analog craving as well as any nic fit I might be having at the time.

 

[Lashes]

I started using my tongue as a barrier between the tip and my throat. Most of the nic is absorbed into my tongue leaving it feeling tingly - which satisfies me greatly.

I think a property of the vapor is that a lot of the nic is absorbed to the first tissue it hits, which most of the time is the back of the throat. This burning the nic absorbing is causing wont allow me to take as big of a hit as i want and I end up blowing less vapor.

I put my tongue in the way, it absorbs a lot of that "hot harsh" and i get a nice big hit that feels amazing in the throat/lung.

Overall I have found doing this has made vaping 100 X more satisfying to me.

 

[Proverb]

If I may quote an e-mail from a friend, I would like everyones thoughts on this.

"Is it "normal" for the sub-consious mind to begin "rejecting" the use of the e-cigarette? I find that my "mind" attempts to draw on it too hard, it seems to be attempting to get the "harshness" that actual cigarettes have on the exhale. I "hear" this "tiny voice" that say, "SEE! This isn't WORKING!!!" when there is no "steam" on the exhale. Is that "why" you began putting drops directly on the "heating" element? I've also noticed that I will occasionally take a long, slow drag that seems to "burn" as the steam goes into my lungs. It kinda hurts, but there is nothing on the exhale. What's your opinion about this?"

My opinion is that yes the unconscious mind does attempt to do so but his problem is the same problem I had with the Joye306... cartridges for that model suck... great beginner e-cig though! but I drip for extra flavor and throat hit but most of all because refilling the carts is a waste of time. I get 2-3 drops in there even with the teabag mod! And it never wicks very well, so I took out the cart and just use the mouthpiece as I drip directly onto the attie.

For one, I think there should be some vapor that is being exhaled, and I know for certain my 510 gives me plumes of it, but your friend is on to something. Each person is different when it comes to what they want out of an e-cigarette when they're trying to get the same satisfaction as an analog. The mind does indeed attempt to reject the ecig at first because it is something new and different and not what it's accustomed to. People dislike change (accept of course when a vending machine graciously gives out those random extra quarters). The whole reason people here have been able to stay off of analogs is becuase the ecig has been able to provide them with a lot of the habits that go with smoking and it's enough to trick the mind into saying "yes, this is good enough for me. I don't need those analogs."

I started smoking on cloves. In fact, I started on them and didn't think anything of the harshness of the cigarettes until I tried my first non-clove cigarette. I actually enjoyed the acrid harshness of the cloves and find that in my e-cigarette days, I need something with a really strong throat hit in order to feel satisfied. As I'm typing this I'm vaping the standard DeKang Apple flavor and it's just not doing the trick. My mind rejects the mellow taste/throat-hit it provides, and even though I enjoy the taste of apples very much, taste alone just isn't enough for me. Conversely, I've all but devoured the last of my JC Peach and even though it has a lower nic content (12mg instead of 18mg) it provides a substantially stronger throat-hit and makes my taste buds tingle.

Trouble is, I'm not a fan of fruity flavors so even that's not entirely satisfying for me. Though I have found a few that satisfy my minds desire for that harshness that your friend was talking about. I'm going to start making some of my own liquids soon and it's been suggested that to up the throat-hit (and at the same time keep the mesh somewhat cleaner) adding a bit of vodka to the mix should up the throat hit. We'll see though.

I would suggest that your friend take care of that wicking problem, those sorts of frustrations will leave him(her) thoroughly dissatisfied with the e-cigarette.

 

[trog100]

there should be plenty of visible vapor on the exhale if your e cig is working correctly..

we are our "mind" if it isnt happy we are not happy... my mind knows e cigs are not real.. just a substitute for what its been used to for many years.. so it needs a little help to fool it.. for me this help comes in the form of throat hit and taste on the way in and lots of visible vapour on the way out.. if it dosnt get this extra help fooling it is very hard..

i used to real smoke without a moments thought.. i now e smoke mostly without much thought... but sometimes my mind nags at me...

when it nags at me.. i take an extra deep inhale let the vapor linger in my lungs and slowy watch it all coming out on the exhale.. my mind aint entirely convinced yet but its getting there...

basically a person does what a person has to do.. which is keep the "mind" happy.. if it needs a bit of extra help to fool it into being happy give it some..

trog

 

[SquirrilahFish]

IMHO addiction is a form of cognitive conditioning, your brain is progammed to expect a specific result from a specific action, with e cigs you are mimicing the action, but for alot of us getting mixed results, for me (and i believe many others) the solution is patience and experimentation. For example, I went through a few ecigs before I settled on my 510 (joye 306 great for DIPPING btw) Even after settling on my 510 it still took weeks of experiementing with different cartridge fillers (I like shredded PTB) Inhalation methods (I also like to "bounce" the vapor off my toungue) and flavorings (25+) to find the combinations that are satisfying, I think we all agree that vaping will curb your cigarette cravings, but to get to that point where you are TRULY happy TRULY satisfied, IMO takes work, and patience.
For the first month of my vaping, when I would have a nicotine craving I would want an analog, but after about a month, I rarely have cravings, and when I do, it is for my 510 not an analog, I feel I have reconditioned my brain, my only fear is: what now?

 

[Winace]

I blow no vapor on exhale. This is not the PV though. I can hit the most vapor producing PV there is and blow no vapor (or very very little). This is due to the depth of inhalation and absorbtion properties of my lungs. Everyone smokes differently. Analogs exhale more smoke because the particles from combustion are not as easily absorbed into the lungs. I know when I hit the PV, and blow no vapor, I am getting FULL effect of the nicotine. PV blows more vapor on exhale, because the particles that are contained in it are larger (hence higher viscosity). Once your "mind" understands the PV is more efficient, you may be able to curb the cancer stick craving a bit more.

 

[Sevenchan]

If I may quote an e-mail from a friend, I would like everyones thoughts on this.

"Is it "normal" for the sub-consious mind to begin "rejecting" the use of the e-cigarette? I find that my "mind" attempts to draw on it too hard, it seems to be attempting to get the "harshness" that actual cigarettes have on the exhale. I "hear" this "tiny voice" that say, "SEE! This isn't WORKING!!!" when there is no "steam" on the exhale. Is that "why" you began putting drops directly on the "heating" element? I've also noticed that I will occasionally take a long, slow drag that seems to "burn" as the steam goes into my lungs. It kinda hurts, but there is nothing on the exhale. What's your opinion about this?"

My opinion is that yes the unconscious mind does attempt to do so but his problem is the same problem I had with the Joye306... cartridges for that model suck... great beginner e-cig though! but I drip for extra flavor and throat hit but most of all because refilling the carts is a waste of time. I get 2-3 drops in there even with the teabag mod! And it never wicks very well, so I took out the cart and just use the mouthpiece as I drip directly onto the attie.

My opinion is that your friend needs a better e-cig

It sounds like he may be using a crappy one that doesn't produce much vapor

 

[Michelle M]

I had your issues with the 510. So I stepped out of my comfort zone a bit and went for a KR808. Oh man, have I ever been happy. It's like night and day. I am back to convincing myself easily that I like this better than smoking cigarettes. With the added advantage of not having to screw with it constantly. I was on a SIX HOUR drive the other day without ever, once, putting it down, dealing with the battery, or topping up. That was just mind-numbing to me.

 

[Nestran]

Your friend needs to consider environmental factors as well. At home right now I get plumes. At work, not so much. Why? Because the humidity is higher at home.

Not saying that this is the problem but it is something that needs to be considered before getting all crazy on the device.

Optimal vaping conditions: Cool humid environment. Have your friend blow a hit into the freezer and see what happens.


Nestran

 

[acezzz]

your friend needs to smack that subconcious mind with a dose of reality. real cigs will kill you for sure.

 

[cyberwolf]

The M401 is what got me off analogs, and I'm sure it is due to the "throat hit" in the form of hot gas hitting the back of my throat. My assumption is that my mind has associated that "pain," if you will, with the intake of a satisfactory amount of nicotine. The 901 and the 510 have given me more vapor, flavor and I think a higher dose of nicotine, but the 401 is still the one that gives me the type of hit I crave. I think this conditioning is what makes the vaping experience so subjective.

The sub-conscious mind also keeps insisting that I buy more e-cig stuff. I still haven't figured that one out.